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Want a cloaking console in a reward pack

With the updated (fed) cloak console, it can now be outfitted on any battle cruiser, yay. So all those fancy bc’s out there can cloak.

IF you’re a fed, but if you’re a kdf or allied rom with a fancy lockbox or lobi ship, you’re out of luck. Sorry guys, with these ships, only the pure fed can cloak, not the cultures whom developed the cloak and whose battle tactics have relied on the cloak for centuries can figure out how to cloak these new ships.

What? Isn’t that kinda backwards?

SO……what I’d propose for a simple solution is to drop that console in a reward pack. Most other faction specific fancy consoles have been put into reward packs before, such as plas leech, theta radiation, sabotage probes, etc. so, could we get a cloaking console in a reward pack please?
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Um... the only ships that can mount the Cloak console is the Defiant, Galaxy-X, and Avenger line.

    And a Cloak Console cross faction would be redundant as All Romulan ships have inate Battle Cloak, and most Klingon ships have at least an inate Standard Cloak.
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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    Yeah, uh... Did I miss an update? As far as I know, the only Fed BCs that can take a cloak are the T5 and T6 Avengers.

    Rattler, I think their point about making the console available to KDF and Rom is so they could equip them on cross-faction ships, so it wouldn't be redundant. Just a bad idea.

    Sorry, OP, but it would be a bad idea to offer up cloaking for an already Over Powered ship, and not only that, but to only offer it to 2 factions.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    lol......wut?!!?
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  • primar13primar13 Member Posts: 1,896 Bug Hunter
    Yup Only Ships that can use the Cloaking Device Console are ... Defiant Lines, Gal-X and Avenger Lines.


    Intel Ships do not count since their cloaks is baked in.
  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    Well here is the thing. Romulan and Klingon ships have a certain technology, as do their cloaking devices. This allows them to mix.

    But like DS9 showed, technology from different species doesn't mix. On DS9, they could not use Fed stuff to replace Cardassian stuff that broke down.

    Same with these lockbox ships. They are technologically so different, that the Klingon and Romulan cloaking device simply will not work on, say, the Ferengi or Jem'Hadar ships. Not to mention you need space to install the buggers.


    As for in-universe: the lockbox/event ships are powerful enough. Adding a cloak would not exactly help bridge the power difference between a paying/grinding customer and a rather casual one.

    And adding cloaks to KDF and Romulan while leaving the Feds out is just plain stupid. Sorry to word it like that, but thats the truth of the matter.​​
  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    What about a phasing cloak...well, it wouldn't have to exactly be a cloak. You know how the Subspace Field Modulator is supposed to work? What if you had a console that actually did...for a few seconds, weapons fire would actually fly through you and it could be universal through the factions.
  • chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    No... no, not this again. If you want to cloak, play KDF or Romulan.

    Feds already got their way with cloaks on the Galaxy-X, Defiant, Avenger variants, and the Intel line. They don't need any more than they've already been given.
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    chipg7 wrote: »
    No... no, not this again. If you want to cloak, play KDF or Romulan.

    Feds already got their way with cloaks on the Galaxy-X, Defiant, Avenger variants, and the Intel line. They don't need any more than they've already been given.

    While I agree with your sentiment, that isn't what the OP was asking for.
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    chipg7 wrote: »
    No... no, not this again. If you want to cloak, play KDF or Romulan.

    Feds already got their way with cloaks on the Galaxy-X, Defiant, Avenger variants, and the Intel line. They don't need any more than they've already been given.

    I fully support cloaking for feds, so long as it remains Normal cloak only.

    Having a regular cloak which requires a console already ensures it's almost always not worth having anyway.

    Romulans ALREADY have a massive advantage with their universal battle cloaks, and giving feds a few more lame console non combat cloaks isn't going to change that.

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  • chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    westmetals wrote: »
    I think you're misreading the original poster's intent. It actually sounds like, to me, they want the console to be able to be used on lockbox ships (including, or possibly limited to, those operated by Romulan and Klingon captains).

    Maybe it was my wording then (damn these Rihan-to-Federation Basic translators ;) )

    Basically, I was getting at keeping cloaks where they are. As rahmkota19 said, I wouldn't expect the Romulans and Klingons to try to slap their cloak on alien ships, except where there'd be a specific need for it. The lockbox ships that do need a cloak, like the Tal Shiar Adapted warbirds, come with one 'cause that's part of their build in the game. An Undine Bioship cloaking, though, would be a little strange - even if under a Klingon captain or Romulan commander.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Um... the only ships that can mount the Cloak console is the Defiant, Galaxy-X, and Avenger line.

    And a Cloak Console cross faction would be redundant as All Romulan ships have inate Battle Cloak, and most Klingon ships have at least an inate Standard Cloak.

    I'd be fun on the orion flight deck cruisers.

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  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    All the Klingon ships, including the assimilated Orions etc and ESPECIALLY the Klingon Carriers, should have cloaking devices :-(
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    kayajay wrote: »
    All the Klingon ships, including the assimilated Orions etc and ESPECIALLY the Klingon Carriers, should have cloaking devices :-(

    The Vo'Quv not having a cloak makes sense lore wise. That thing is massive, and the power requirements make it rather... uneconomical to equip her with one. Before anyone mentions the Bortasqu as a counter argument... because of her size her cloak isn't as effective as it would be on say a Negh'var. Makes her easier to detect while cloaked.

    And as far as I know there is nothing in canon or anywhere that I know of about Orion ships having cloak tech. Asking for a cloak on non Klingon ships would be like asking for an allied faction ship owned by a Romulan to use a Singularity Core instead of a Warp Core. Tech by association when they're not made by the same manufacturer makes no sense. And again, species specific tech doesn't always play nice with other species tech. A Klingon designed Cloak may not be compatable with Orion power systems or something else, making it pointless to bother equipping them with a cloak.
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Um... the only ships that can mount the Cloak console is the Defiant, Galaxy-X, and Avenger line.

    And a Cloak Console cross faction would be redundant as All Romulan ships have inate Battle Cloak, and most Klingon ships have at least an inate Standard Cloak.

    I'll be honest as my characters mostly KDF and then thew few feds I have this is what I believe should happen. They should first get rid of that standard cloak its design wasn't that great to begin with. What they need to do is make like maybe 3 kinds of cloaks something like battle, phase, metaphasic just some examples. Then they could have another cash grab but satisfy us players/fans who are into the cloaking ships where they all have some purpose. The game is beyond the fed or kdf aspect now because no matter where you put yourself its really now down to if your a dps spreadsheet or a star trek fan.
  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    Console cloak is substandard anyway. So I am all for letting the inefficient players just gimp themselves further.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    woodwhity wrote: »
    Console cloak is substandard anyway. So I am all for letting the inefficient players just gimp themselves further.

    My science vessels use MES quite efficiently when hunting cloaked vessels in kerrat, but a cloak would still be more beneficial.



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  • kittyflofykittyflofy Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    The Vo'Quv not having a cloak makes sense lore wise. That thing is massive, and the power requirements make it rather... uneconomical to equip her with one. Before anyone mentions the Bortasqu as a counter argument... because of her size her cloak isn't as effective as it would be on say a Negh'var. Makes her easier to detect while cloaked.

    It doesnt matter the size. If a ship can use a cloak, that ship will have the same base probabilities to be detected that any other ship. Size has nothing to do with it.
  • kittyflofykittyflofy Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    And as far as I know there is nothing in canon or anywhere that I know of about Orion ships having cloak tech. Asking for a cloak on non Klingon ships would be like asking for an allied faction ship owned by a Romulan to use a Singularity Core instead of a Warp Core. Tech by association when they're not made by the same manufacturer makes no sense. And again, species specific tech doesn't always play nice with other species tech. A Klingon designed Cloak may not be compatable with Orion power systems or something else, making it pointless to bother equipping them with a cloak.

    Orions are klingon enlisted. So its common sense to assume that their ships will have klingon cloaking device mounted on their ships. Actually it will be the most logical thing to think.

    The no use of Cloaking in starfleet ships has nothing to do with that. Its about prime directives.
  • enkemenenkemen Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    kittyflofy wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    The Vo'Quv not having a cloak makes sense lore wise. That thing is massive, and the power requirements make it rather... uneconomical to equip her with one. Before anyone mentions the Bortasqu as a counter argument... because of her size her cloak isn't as effective as it would be on say a Negh'var. Makes her easier to detect while cloaked.

    It doesnt matter the size. If a ship can use a cloak, that ship will have the same base probabilities to be detected that any other ship. Size has nothing to do with it.

    No clue where you're getting this information from.

    kittyflofy wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    And as far as I know there is nothing in canon or anywhere that I know of about Orion ships having cloak tech. Asking for a cloak on non Klingon ships would be like asking for an allied faction ship owned by a Romulan to use a Singularity Core instead of a Warp Core. Tech by association when they're not made by the same manufacturer makes no sense. And again, species specific tech doesn't always play nice with other species tech. A Klingon designed Cloak may not be compatable with Orion power systems or something else, making it pointless to bother equipping them with a cloak.

    Orions are klingon enlisted. So its common sense to assume that their ships will have klingon cloaking device mounted on their ships. Actually it will be the most logical thing to think.

    The no use of Cloaking in starfleet ships has nothing to do with that. Its about prime directives.

    No it's not. It's about the Treaty of Algeron.
  • chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    enkemen wrote: »
    No it's not. It's about the Treaty of Algeron.

    President Okeg unfortunately killed off the Treaty, when the Feds tried (and failed) another phase cloaking experiment in the 2390s. Said that the Treaty somehow died with Romulus.

    It's in The Path to 2409.

    So that said, no cloaks for Fed ships comes down to it not really being in their playbook. That, and the fact that everytime they try it, their ships blow up ;) They don't have a good track record with cloaks.
  • enkemenenkemen Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    chipg7 wrote: »
    enkemen wrote: »
    No it's not. It's about the Treaty of Algeron.

    President Okeg unfortunately killed off the Treaty, when the Feds tried (and failed) another phase cloaking experiment in the 2390s. Said that the Treaty somehow died with Romulus.

    It's in The Path to 2409.

    So that said, no cloaks for Fed ships comes down to it not really being in their playbook. That, and the fact that everytime they try it, their ships blow up ;) They don't have a good track record with cloaks.

    I just went through and did a search in the Path to 2409. The word Algeron appears once, in an unrelated item. Cloak doesn't appear at all. Phase doesn't appear at all. Okeg appears several times, but none of them have to do with cloaking or the Romulans.
  • primar13primar13 Member Posts: 1,896 Bug Hunter
    edited July 2015
    enkemen wrote: »
    chipg7 wrote: »
    enkemen wrote: »
    No it's not. It's about the Treaty of Algeron.

    President Okeg unfortunately killed off the Treaty, when the Feds tried (and failed) another phase cloaking experiment in the 2390s. Said that the Treaty somehow died with Romulus.

    It's in The Path to 2409.

    So that said, no cloaks for Fed ships comes down to it not really being in their playbook. That, and the fact that everytime they try it, their ships blow up ;) They don't have a good track record with cloaks.

    I just went through and did a search in the Path to 2409. The word Algeron appears once, in an unrelated item. Cloak doesn't appear at all. Phase doesn't appear at all. Okeg appears several times, but none of them have to do with cloaking or the Romulans.

    If you are just reading the Wiki... then that is not All. Cryptic and Pocket books published a mini-book before launch, what he is saying may be indicated within that book. but I'm not sure.


    EDIT!!! Go Here, Under the History Section. Third Paragraph, begins with "On Stardate 72487.91"

    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Treaty_of_Algeron
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    kittyflofy wrote: »
    Orions are klingon enlisted. So its common sense to assume that their ships will have klingon cloaking device mounted on their ships. Actually it will be the most logical thing to think.

    Again, it could be that Klingon cloaking tech is Incompatable with Orion systems, meaning they can't use it AT ALL. Basically you're saying "I should be able to plug in my American XBox into a German house without an adapter. You can't do it. Plugs don't fit.
    The no use of Cloaking in starfleet ships has nothing to do with that. Its about prime directives.

    That's the defunct Treaty of Algeron, which was signed by the Federation and Romulan Star Empire, and the Empire pretty much became defunct after Hobus, hence the Federation Intel ships having inate cloaking capability as well as the Avenger and Defiant lines as well as the Galaxy-X being able to use a Cloaking Device.
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  • kittyflofykittyflofy Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    enkemen wrote: »

    No clue where you're getting this information from.

    ¿? From the game itself?? tell me where it is written that bigger ships get less capabilities about cloaking just for being bigger.
  • kittyflofykittyflofy Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »

    Again, it could be that Klingon cloaking tech is Incompatable with Orion systems, meaning they can't use it AT ALL. Basically you're saying "I should be able to plug in my American XBox into a German house without an adapter. You can't do it. Plugs don't fit.

    Erm.. im pretty sure that by now klingons know exactly how to install a cloaking device in orion ships. Actually it is not supossed to be hard, it is just cloaking devices are a precious thing, nobody wants to reveal their secrets..

    If romulans can implement cloaking devices in starfleet ships, why klingons are not going to be able to install em on orion ships??.
  • kittyflofykittyflofy Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    enkemen wrote: »
    No it's not. It's about the Treaty of Algeron.

    I know, what i meant is, it has nothing to do with ships not being able to carry cloaking devices.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    Ahhh.... Feddy Bear strikes again!!!!

    Yet another entitlement thread.

    I have 3 Fed captains only one is flying a ship capable of cloaking (Phantom Intel Escort). I got the Eclipse Intel Cruiser as well (Delta Ops Pack) and while it does have a cloaking device, I don't feel the need to fly it yet. Still having fun with my Guardian cruiser.

    If I really want to fly a ship with a cloaking device, then I will play one of my KDF or Romulan Captains.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    jaguarskx wrote: »
    Ahhh.... Feddy Bear strikes again!!!!

    Yet another entitlement thread.

    I have 3 Fed captains only one is flying a ship capable of cloaking (Phantom Intel Escort). I got the Eclipse Intel Cruiser as well (Delta Ops Pack) and while it does have a cloaking device, I don't feel the need to fly it yet. Still having fun with my Guardian cruiser.

    If I really want to fly a ship with a cloaking device, then I will play one of my KDF or Romulan Captains.

    Actually... the OP is wanting the cloak console Feds have as a cross faction to be able to be used on KDF and Romulan player Lockbox/Lobi ships and exclude Fed owned ones. Its not Fed asking for something KDF has. And we have already poked holes in it because the only ships that can use that console are the Defiants, Galaxy-X, and Avengers.
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  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    i dont think the treaty is actually 'defunct', although lots of people will claim it is.​​
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