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Remove the PvE Queues?

qqafgqegqe4agqqafgqegqe4ag Member Posts: 153 Arc User
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So, I've been trying to PuG Advanced STFs today, instead of using the DPS channels.

What a giant fail fest. Every single one has been a complete failure- not just optionals, but total failure.

Players are doing stupid things, not even paying attention to what's going on. Completely ignoring objectives. It's a waste of time. After getting four cooldowns and not a single victory in a row, I'm back to the DPS channels.

Should we just get rid of the queues entirely? Even though I'd prefer to keep them (I've used them for years, after all), it seems like PuGs just can't handle the content anymore.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    Hell no. There's already a better solution incoming: removing most failure conditions from Adv. optional objectives. Useful game features (ex. matchmaking) shouldn't be axed just because a few players didn't live up to your expectations.

    Welcome to online multiplayer. Not everyone will be able to compete, but just the same not everyone will be a total failure either. Its a population. Want something else? You've got your channels. Where's the problem?
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  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    OR you can just stick to the DPS Channels ;)
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  • laferrari1laferrari1 Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    I'd even be up for removing PvE... but it'd be for totally different reasons. I don't find them funny anymore after replaying them for more than three times unfortunately.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    How peculiar. Complete contrast to what I experienced. Name three instances of ISA which lasted two minutes or less due to players with stupidly high DPS vaping everything on the map before it could even fire a shot.

    I prefer failed instances personally.
    Same. As a competent player its a lot more engaging to actually have to try.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,489 Arc User
    qqafgqegqe4ag wrote: »
    So, I've been trying to PuG Advanced STFs today, instead of using the DPS channels.

    What a giant fail fest. Every single one has been a complete failure- not just optionals, but total failure.

    Sounds like you expected to be carried through again.
    PUG can be incredibly competent, often more so than crowds from DPS channels, and sometimes pretty incompetent.
    Sounds like your incompetence infected the other players.​​
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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    rezking wrote: »
    OR you can just stick to the DPS Channels ;)

    Indeed. In fact, it would be funny as heck if those who pass a certain DPS threshold were no longer allowed to PUG. Act like one is above the unwashed masses--be treated by the game like it. Everything has tradeoffs, right? ;)

    (Seriously, I realize that wouldn't work. It's still funny to imagine though. ;) )

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  • tunebreakertunebreaker Member Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    If they remove PvE Queues, how do you expect more people to learn how to play and join DPS channels?
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  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    duncanidaho11 wrote: »
    Hell no. There's already a better solution incoming: removing most failure conditions from Adv. optional objectives.

    I'm not holding my breath as I wait. Note that they have delayed this another month even if it goes out next week.

    I have mostly good experiences with pugs. Pugs are all I do. Just skip the 2 or 3 bad ones and... profit.
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  • qqafgqegqe4agqqafgqegqe4ag Member Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    duncanidaho11 wrote: »
    Hell no. There's already a better solution incoming: removing most failure conditions from Adv. optional objectives. Useful game features (ex. matchmaking) shouldn't be axed just because a few players didn't live up to your expectations.

    Welcome to online multiplayer. Not everyone will be able to compete, but just the same not everyone will be a total failure either. Its a population. Want something else? You've got your channels. Where's the problem?

    That should help quite a bit.
    rezking wrote: »
    OR you can just stick to the DPS Channels ;)

    I'd rather not. For one, they exclude a lot of players. For another, they're not always as active during the hours I play.
    duncanidaho11 wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    How peculiar. Complete contrast to what I experienced. Name three instances of ISA which lasted two minutes or less due to players with stupidly high DPS vaping everything on the map before it could even fire a shot.

    I prefer failed instances personally.
    Same. As a competent player its a lot more engaging to actually have to try.

    I agree with this sentiment, but there's only so much we can do when 3 or 4 of the team members play completely obliviously to the objectives.
  • kristaswiftkristaswift Member Posts: 306 Arc User
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    sheldonlcooper wrote: »
    duncanidaho11 wrote: »
    Hell no. There's already a better solution incoming: removing most failure conditions from Adv. optional objectives.

    I'm not holding my breath as I wait. Note that they have delayed this another month even if it goes out next week.

    There've been a lot of changes that have been made to tribble recently that haven't made it to holodeck (ex. tailor pants re-categorization, DMG proc buff), which is par for the course with any big season update.

    After 10.5 it'll be safe to play the snide card. ATM its jumping the gun. :P
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  • walligigwalligig Member Posts: 308 Arc User
    If Pve queues were removed what would we do after we hit 60 and play all the story missions? You want to remove the only endgame STO has?
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,595 Community Moderator
    Sorry... but I read the OP and it sounds more like someone wanting to punish people... again.

    NEWS FLASH! You just got really unlucky dude. PUGs are random. You don't like it and want to vape everything that moves, stick to premade DPS groups. Want an actual challenge? PUG it.

    Removing the PvE queues would not only harm the community, it would cut off access to resources such as rep marks, fleet marks, and Dilithium. While it is true there are alternate sources for Dilithium like the Voth Battlezone and the actual mines, some people get their DL income from the queues. Also the ONLY other semi reliable source for Omega Marks is Defera... and I think its still a bit buggy, low payout per missions, and you'd have to get a team for the hard stuff and those can get trolled so easily with well placed Cover Shields...

    So no. The queues are here to stay. No one is putting a gun to your head and saying "PUG or else". Don't like to PUG? Don't PUG. Simple as that.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,489 Arc User
    To me this only proves that the average participant of the DPS channels lack the skill to PUG​​
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    I pug each day OP and the only PVE here is the players vs. lag and bad quality.
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  • denniskr87denniskr87 Member Posts: 58 Arc User
    I only pug, and win ratio is 7/10...
  • reximuzreximuz Member Posts: 1,172 Arc User
    I only use the queues and rarely lose. I have to think that the OP was the problem, probably to used to being carried.
  • kristaswiftkristaswift Member Posts: 306 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    To me this only proves that the average participant of the DPS channels lack the skill to PUG​​
    peterconnorfirst wrote: »
    I pug each day OP and the only PVE here is the players vs. lag and bad quality.

    Sad but true...wonder how they would do in a real PvP
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,595 Community Moderator
    kristaswift wrote: »
    Sad but true...wonder how they would do in a real PvP

    Probably wonder why they blew up. I think there are still some very effective Sneak Sneak Alpha Strike builds out there that render most people... asploded.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • crusader2007crusader2007 Member Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    qqafgqegqe4ag wrote: »
    So, I've been trying to PuG Advanced STFs today, instead of using the DPS channels.

    What a giant fail fest. Every single one has been a complete failure- not just optionals, but total failure.

    Players are doing stupid things, not even paying attention to what's going on. Completely ignoring objectives. It's a waste of time. After getting four cooldowns and not a single victory in a row, I'm back to the DPS channels.

    Should we just get rid of the queues entirely? Even though I'd prefer to keep them (I've used them for years, after all), it seems like PuGs just can't handle the content anymore.

    One should know the meaning of the word "strategy". If one is able to DPS over 50K....this should be a cakewalk even if you do it on your own. I guess "team play" has a different meaning for some players.
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  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    To me this only proves that the average participant of the DPS channels lack the skill to PUG
    i believe that what happens in many cases is a person gets auto-invited to the 10K channel as the result of a lucky 10,221dps run. then they get used to getting carried by all the 20-30k ppl in the channel...
    once back in the pug they have neither the backup nor the dps to carry to team, so they blame everyone else around them.
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  • storulesstorules Member Posts: 3,284 Arc User
    kristaswift wrote: »
    LOL who needs to play the game for entertainment, the blogs and resulting forum storms are far more entertaining and free! Free 2 Laugh!

    This forum is the most laugh I ever had for a while :)
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  • e30erneste30ernest Member Posts: 1,794 Arc User
    Leave PUGs alone.

    I love PUGs because of the randomness it brings. I'm actually pretty bummed out that the fail scenarios are being removed. The real possibility of failure and the need to actually work for a win makes PUGging much more fun for me than the systematic sure win runs in DPS channels.

    Don't underestimate PUG groups either. I've been in runs in 10k that are only marginally better than an average PUG. Sometimes, I find myself in PUGs that are even better than a 10k team. They may not have the DPS, but some PUG teams really know how to work together allowing us to win on what would normally be a sure fail scenario.

    The problem with some DPS people when they enter PUGs is that they have become so used to how DPS runs, and they are so confident about their damage that they stop thinking on their feet and fail to adapt if things go differently to what they have gotten used to. I admit, I also fall into that same mistake. Even when I might be the top damage dealer in a run, I have caused some runs to fail because I got so focused on damage that I lose situational awareness.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the DPS folks and I do run with them from time to time. Besides, the way I like to build my ships and the way I like to fly fits better in PUGs.

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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    qqafgqegqe4ag wrote: »
    So, I've been trying to PuG Advanced STFs today, instead of using the DPS channels.

    What a giant fail fest. Every single one has been a complete failure- not just optionals, but total failure.

    Players are doing stupid things, not even paying attention to what's going on. Completely ignoring objectives. It's a waste of time. After getting four cooldowns and not a single victory in a row, I'm back to the DPS channels.

    Should we just get rid of the queues entirely? Even though I'd prefer to keep them (I've used them for years, after all), it seems like PuGs just can't handle the content anymore.

    Yes, by all means.. since YOU had a problem with them.. lets get rid of them.

    While we're at it, just post a list of everything you don't like and we'll all do our best to get it removed right away.
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    How peculiar. Complete contrast to what I experienced. Namely three instances of ISA which lasted two minutes or less due to players with stupidly high DPS vaping everything on the map before it could even fire a shot.

    I prefer failed instances personally.

    Not to mention some of the idiots who then turn and yell at you for not doing high enough dps
    after vaping everything before you could fire a shot.
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  • thetaninethetanine Member Posts: 1,367 Arc User
    qqafgqegqe4ag wrote: »
    So, I've been trying to PuG Advanced STFs today, instead of using the DPS channels.

    What a giant fail fest. Every single one has been a complete failure- not just optionals, but total failure.

    Players are doing stupid things, not even paying attention to what's going on. Completely ignoring objectives. It's a waste of time. After getting four cooldowns and not a single victory in a row, I'm back to the DPS channels.

    Should we just get rid of the queues entirely? Even though I'd prefer to keep them (I've used them for years, after all), it seems like PuGs just can't handle the content anymore.

    Oh yes bloody right eh? Just because YOU can not defeat the areas of the game you are striving against, let's punish EVERYONE who plays this game.

    Because that's how things are done, right? Political correctness demands across the board nerfing of the entire experience because ONE shoe shine boy can't make a dime in today's market.

    Give me a break. Go buy some ocean front property in Nebraska OP. And take yer troubles with you. Or write your congressman. PLEASE.

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  • thetaninethetanine Member Posts: 1,367 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    ...I'm not generally overly concerned about DPS; I take interest when someone does parse a run. I average 12k DPS ... and since am pretty much satisfied with my DPS, I (personally) don't see the point in chasing it further...

    Yep. Me too. 12k is just fine and isn't too weak to create a burden for any pug I enter, and also not too high so that everyone on the mission gets a chance for the ""dakka-dak pew pew ding ding pew pew"" Sing It! :smiley:
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    thetanine wrote: »
    Oh yes bloody right eh? Just because YOU can not defeat the areas of the game you are striving against, let's punish EVERYONE who plays this game.

    I don't agree with the OP but that statement there is equally ignorant. Expecting him to solo 5 man queues and calling him out for not being able to is borderline more stupid.

    the PVE queues are a joint effort. The overall quality of the team determines success.
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    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
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