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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Due to the nature of the Flood... I don't think the Borg would be able to assimilate them. Drones would be overwhelmed by Infection Forms, and as Flood Pure Forms rely on biological attacks, I can't see the Borg adapting to that like they would energy weapons. Also... Flood move a lot faster than the average Borg Drone.
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  • theshroudedtheshrouded Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    the flood would overwhelm the borg so I pick the flood
  • alexhaydenalexhayden Member Posts: 91 Arc User
    The Flood consumed most of the lifeforms within the Galaxy and were only defeated the first time by an act of galactic genocide by the Forerunners.

    The Borg were put into sleep mode during the first invasion of the Federation, defeated by the crew of one starship during the second and so diluted down by the time Voyager came to an end that it took just one elderly Starfleet Admiral infected with a pathogen to trick and then to cripple the entire collective.

    If I were a betting man my money would not be on the Borg.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    Pre-FC Borg wouldn't be interested in all organic lifeforms without technology in the first place. They probbably could adapt at one point in self-defense, but then again the Borg is meant to be a decentralized entity with hundreds of billions of drones and cubes straying the galaxy, even if the flood would hunt for Borg on purpose it would be an endless task.

    Post-FC Borg can be beaten by verbally provoking their "Queen" and destroying their central command with a piece of code (which a collective shouldn't have). So, yeah...
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    Flood.

    At their most basic level the flood exists in powder / dust form. It is far more difficult to destroy every single last particle of "Flood Matter" than it is to destroy Borg Drones and the Borg Queen.

    Both Borg and Flood assimilates other lifeforms, but the Flood rapidly mutates as well.
  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    In a small conflict the flood would win everytime but due to the nature of the Borg and it's command structure they could implement a successful quarantine operation and thus win in the larger conflict.
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    Can you drown in the borg? B)

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    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
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  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
    I'm honestly curious as to what the outcome actually would be.
    The flood could no doubt infect and consume organic matter, on the other hand the Borg are cybernetic beings relying primarily on technology to enhance frail organic forms.
    So one wonders, would a flood infested drone provide the borg with a direct link with the flood collective intelligence?
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    I'm honestly curious as to what the outcome actually would be.
    The flood could no doubt infect and consume organic matter, on the other hand the Borg are cybernetic beings relying primarily on technology to enhance frail organic forms.
    So one wonders, would a flood infested drone provide the borg with a direct link with the flood collective intelligence?

    If you go with post-FC Borg and go to a small enough scale, Flood cells would be up against nanites. Flood cells can consume organic matter but not nanites while nanites can change organic cells, so on that scale Borg would "win".
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • orionburstorionburst Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    I'm honestly curious as to what the outcome actually would be.
    The flood could no doubt infect and consume organic matter, on the other hand the Borg are cybernetic beings relying primarily on technology to enhance frail organic forms.
    So one wonders, would a flood infested drone provide the borg with a direct link with the flood collective intelligence?

    Flood enhanced Borg...lets hope sto never meets Halo as if the Gravemind and the borg hive mind ever mutually combine, not even our hero avatars or a clones/hologram army of MCs would be able to fight that
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  • hunteralpha84hunteralpha84 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    Gonna rock the boat and say Borg.

    The flood can only assimilate organic matter, Borg can assimilate everything. Nanites would overcome any infection from the flood. Unless they have funky dna like 8472 but I doubt they do.
  • kittyflofykittyflofy Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    Gonna rock the boat and say Borg.

    The flood can only assimilate organic matter, Borg can assimilate everything. Nanites would overcome any infection from the flood. Unless they have funky dna like 8472 but I doubt they do.

    ¿?¿? We dont know if the Borg can assimilate everything. Even right now after so many shows and movies, we still dont know if the Borg will be able to assimilate other life forms. The only thing the Borg tried to assimilate so far are humanoid life forms. Even the undine are closer to an humanoid form and in the shows the Borg never got to assimilate em. The Borg are not as "powerful" as you think lol.
  • hunteralpha84hunteralpha84 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    edited July 2015

    They used to be. Then they introduced the queen.

    Besides there's no evidence the Borg can't assimilate non humanoid species. Everything we've seen says that nanites begin the assimilation process by rewriting cells dna. As far as I know there's restriction on what dna it can overwrite.

    The only reason 8472 couldn't be assimilated was because their dense dna structure gave them an incredible immunity. Even that was defeated and they could be assimilated sort of.

    The only direct evidence of non humanoid assimilation is when the queen was discussing deploying a nanite virus or something in earth's atmosphere which would assimilate all "life forms".

    Not sure what theyd do with assimilated animals although an assimilated bear would be awesome.

    Holy TRIBBLE assimilated t-rex! They've been attacking the voth so why not?
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    They used to be. Then they introduced the queen.

    Besides there's no evidence the Borg can't assimilate non humanoid species. Everything we've seen says that nanites begin the assimilation process by rewriting cells dna. As far as I know there's restriction on what dna it can overwrite.

    The only reason 8472 couldn't be assimilated was because their dense dna structure gave them an incredible immunity. Even that was defeated and they could be assimilated sort of.

    The only direct evidence of non humanoid assimilation is when the queen was discussing deploying a nanite virus or something in earth's atmosphere which would assimilate all "life forms".

    Not sure what theyd do with assimilated animals although an assimilated bear would be awesome.

    Holy TRIBBLE assimilated t-rex! They've been attacking the voth so why not?

    It is logical to assume that the Borg could assimilate other life forms but it's also strongly hinted at the fact that they have no interest in doing so. The Borg is (are) humanoid to begin with. People often forget that Borg doesn't mean robot or computer, its people (supposedly humanoid) that became technophile to the degree of fusing their biological and technological properties irreversibly. When introduced it was said that Borg were almost eclusively interested in assimilating technology, the assimilation of people, memory and skills wasn't really a thing. Drones would breed (artificially) and be available in such abundancy that there really wasn't a reason for the whole zombie-vampire thing post FC. Of course you would be destroyed if you didn't surrender all you have (note that they eplicitly say "destroyed" not "assimilated" in the early episodes. Picard's assimilation and his funtion as Locutus was a big deal and took effort as opposed to just "bite" someone and they turn into a drone. There was no queen back then either (which makes sense, a collective doesn't need a queen).

    Post-FC Borg just got weird and boring, they were zombies or ghouls led by an egomanic vampiress (which is kinda ironic because she was very emotional and driven by her own desires, negating the whole collective theme - she even adressed dones verbally...). But with the whole nanite-virus thing going on, we see that their nanites change living cells. If they don't assimilate them they can at least destroy them. So they had an edge over a purely biological foe. 8472 was... just an attempt to introduce a even bigger badder foe because they ridiculed the Borg in VOYs course so much nobody took them seriously anymore.

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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • alexraptorralexraptorr Member Posts: 1,192 Arc User
    I dunno, the queen was still passable as a figurehead in FC an actor or manifestation of the collective conciousness.
    But come Voyager she just became far far far to individualistic.
    In FC, trying to seduce Data and all that was just a means to an end to further the goals of the collective.
    But in Voyager she starts taking things too personal and behave and act more out of self-interest than the collectives interest.
    "If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid." - Q
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    I dunno, the queen was still passable as a figurehead in FC an actor or manifestation of the collective conciousness.
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    Yes and no. Locutus (whose name literally translates to "One who speaks") was created for that very purpose to introduce the Borg to humanity and "negotiate" for them (negotiation of coruse meant surrender and/or be destroyed). If the queen was a thing, as FC clumsy retcon line suggests, Locutus was entirely superflous and the whole approach would make no sense - this is why retcons cannot work because the episode and the Borg were written without a queen in mind.

    I agree with your opinion on VOY.
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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