The concept that Orion males are all bald is based on what? One episode of Enterprise?
Seems like a classic case of taking one cultural example where something might be in style and transposing it upon a entire species. It's like if someone put a human biker gang in one show and forever more all humans appeared in leathers.
Speaking of Orions, Should there be an option for males with hair? 30 votes
Yes, Orion males are not all decendents of the Picard family after an accident with Green Kool Aid
No, Leave the male orions alone. No one cares about them anyways.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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So we can soon expect the Klingons males to lose all their hair now?
Orion men lack hair, so we have nothing to extrapolate on for potential male hairstyles. This is not like the case of, say, Romulans, who wear a specific style of hair pretty much universally yet have multiple hairstyles in-game. The difference being, the hair existing and styled as it is implies it grows and can be styled. Orion men don't even have that starting point - we can't assume they can grow hair because we never ever see it.
Now, if you wanted to roll an Alien and play him as an Orion/[species] hybrid, you could easily justify any hair you wanted. But evidence and logic demand Orion men do not grow hair on their heads. That one episode of Enterprise shows numerous Orion men, I should point out, and not one has hair. If we were to assume baldness were simply a style, logically one or more of them could have been shown without it, or perhaps with creatively shaved heads that emulate their propensity for decorating their craniums with leather chaff and the contents of Frankenstein's jewelry box.
The obvious conclusion here is that Orion men are, without exception, bald. Until shown on-screen that this is not the case, it's the only evidence-backed conclusion we can arrive at.
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You do realize that drawing any conclusion based upon a chance encounter with members of a single group is the definition of a logical fail right?
I do however respect your opinion that STO should limit itself to what's shown on screen (although I must point out all the millions of ways STO breaks that desire). I just don't care for the term's "obvious conclusion" and "only evidence" as applied to the characteristics of even fictional races.
Incidentally, if we dig into soft canon, we can support both my slapdash example above and your hair argument by noting the soft-canonical existence of >Ruddy Orions<. Trouble being this is soft-canon, unsupported by hard canon. Though again, that's never stopped STO.
Another problem with assumptions about fictional races is you don't actually know the rules by which they are written. You can assume they might have hair, but remember, they're fictional - it's just as easy they could indeed all be bald as an identifying trait of the race, and claming otherwise could be akin to claiming not all Vulcans have pointy ears. Fictional races aren't bound to the same logic we can apply to real-world cultures or species.
At the end of the day I suppose neither of us is necessarily wrong in our pro- or anti-hair positions, depending on which points made we agree or disagree with, or how far we feel logic and/or common sense will go in this discussion.
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No it hasn't. And one can even point out that in a draft of the original pilot script, Green Orions were rare (hence they were referenced as *green* Orions)- other hues were more typical.
No it hasn't, and at this point any appeal to canon is hypocritical IMO.
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Yes, STO does have a bad habit of using only one piece of Star Trek lore- and the fact that it's the oldest piece in the time line makes it all the worse. They also made a serious error when they lumped interesting races in with the Klingons just to give them racial options instead of doing them as mini-factions with their own backgrounds and styles.
The result was and is horribly one-dimensional. Orions that talk like Klingons and nothing else. Gorn that talk like Klingons and nothing else, and so on. All for a setting that *never* showed non-Klingons (except for Riker) on a Klingon warship!.
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Not so much.
TOS and TAS Orions were strictly neutral, the better to keep their criminal options option (i.e. target everyone) and maintain their secrecy and independence. They *never* would have joined the KDF.
Aside from the racial quirks (Orions were never openly portrayed to be anything but pirates, granted, but dialogue mentioned the prestigious Orion scientific instititutes and their technological advances), if they had drawn from TAS we would indeed have more than half-naked thugs. TAS Orions in particular were shown to wear full uniforms including helmets
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Two, Borderlands and Bound, actually.... each of which did show several Orion males..... all of them bald.
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Look at my pics above, the slave owner from ENT wore similar armour as well. I can't remember the episode but I assumed the half dressed guy behind is a slave of some sort.
As for the half naked males from the auction house... I got nuthin.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I will note Orion Culture is clearly inspired by BDSM culture, hence all the male body piercings for example.