Voyager caused it to erase itself. So.... maybe the Krenim have a way to "remember" it, but technically if its "re" built it will be the first time.
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Yeah what I was suggesting was something along those lines. we'll be building the first one
(if we decide to do something that dumb)
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
SO yes, When Voyager crashed into in the Year of Hell it forced a reset thus making the it not exist. But you will notice that he had all the plans for it ready to roll out, maybe minus a calculation or two. The only thing that would be different with this time is that he didn't have a strong need, his wife was alive and time changed something so that he didn't have to become Captain Ahab again going on a crusade to restore his wife back to the continuum he lived in.
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What I think happened is the temporal police intervened after the reset (theres nothing that says the temporal police couldn't see that timeline or react in that timeline) and so sent an agent back to before the reset to alter Annorax (my wager is they put the year of hell events in his mind as a dream, a mind experiment and that in turn made him not finish the project as he realised the problems)
I'm an Arc user? Yeah, right..I'd rather eat a chainsaw, blade first
Of course, Cryptic wants to show the canon design and cash in on that, but in terms of continuity and logic the whole Krynum lockbox thing makes no sense.
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I'm putting my money on the latter.
The point is, we have three T6 ships incoming at about the same time that all have to do with the Krenim. Only two will be part of the next lockbox which begs the question of which one will be left out and how will we obtain it? Perhaps they just like having a backup option? They've already pulled 2-3 other Lockbox/Lobi ships before release for unexplained reasons.
STO explains those things away with their Q - erm Lobi consortium. Those Ferengi are able to just "remove" 29th century timeship technology (because it wouldn't be fair to sell it?), they make bioships compatible to humanoid piloting and they surely will just "remove" the doonsday timelaser and make it a regular cruiser...
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Yip, the insta-win doomsday weapon plans could totally be forgotten for some odd 250-300 years. Makes sense.
The Krumin Empire turned out the way it was shown in year of hell obviously wthout the use of the timeship. So the plans didn't leave Annorax's home, he probably deleted them. Of course this is speculation, but what we saw was pretty straight forward. Just pulling some obscure elements and stating "we all forgot about it, but now it's back" is rather poor storytelling - Cryptic obviously did that, though.
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The weapon ship didn't "hide" anything, though. It erased whatever it was pointing at from time. The only time things got "restored" is when the timeship itself was erased which invalidated everything happening before. In that model of time there is only one timeline and all paradoxa caused by the weapon ship were "rectified" when the ship itself was removed. So we saw what the timeline played out with the weapon ship, at the end of the episode the weapon ship did not exist or else the events would have repeated itself. Having the plans resurface later makes no sense.
But youa re right of course, Cryptic write their own fanficiton basically and nobody can argue with them if they suddenly decide the weapon ship is back or even to put it in lockboxes. But it still doesn't make sense.
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I look forward to getting more info on why the time ship was ever built and just want happened to it in this particular universe.
So the plans were already there. The only thing that might have been lacking would be the final calculations that finished the ship. And there's no clue if he finished those calculations but never sent the ship off to be built. For all we know in the time since he got up to be with his wife he could've gone back the next day to work on those plans some more. But instead of building the ship this time, he just files it away into the Krenim Secret files. We don't know, but I do know from watching that episode the other day that he DID have the structure of the ship mapped out and many calculations for it. What wasn't clear was if it got finished, or how close to being finished on the plans it was. My suspicion is that he was very close to having it ready for production.
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The timeship was never build. Annorex had an idea how to make it, but he abandoned it. We don't know how long, in the original time, it took him to turn the timeship from a theoretical construct into an actual, working ship. It probably involves both a lot of theoretical work as well as plain engineering work to get it done.
His original work that lead to the timeship in the original time faded a bit into obscurity, but some of his theories survived. Enough for the Krenim to develop some temporal technology -but it never really went into the direction of the timeship. Until some type of experimentation or exploration with their existing temporal technology unveiled details about an alternative timeline where Annorex build the ship and was eventually defeated.
But the Krenim technology and resources were no longer sufficient to build a fully functioning time machine or time ship.
You might compare it to giving someone the construction details for a modern computer processor to someone in the late 40s of the 20th century. He would probably grasp the concepts, and if you go give him all the theoretical groundwork, you could jump start the computer technology. But - there is a lot of infrastructure around a modern chip factory. How to make a clean room as clean as required. How to get all the materials in the required quality. How to work with the materials with the necessary precision. And to actually put the processor to use, you need software, that requires other types of hardware to run.
Okay. So what I saw in the episode and with a WILLING suspension of disbelief suggests that, yes, Annorax designed the timeship and that it was one branch of a Krenim specialty in temporal technology. Which makes some sense because it would be kind of dumb if he just built a timeship without his people being temporal specialists. (Incidentally, so are the Federation but the Federation seems to classify/lock-up its research in this area so far.) They were using chroniton weapons even without Annorax's design.
And, yes, it would appear that they can monitor alternate timelines and view deleted timelines, which I am sure will be key going forward.
And that's a fairly reasonable ability to have in sci-fi. It's just like the Guardian of Forever only looking sideways.
And literally ANYTHING CRYPTIC CHOSE TO DO would be reasonable as long as it showed the Krenim having temporal technology (it would be laughably absurd for them not to be depicted as temporal specialists) and it showed that Annorax abandoned his plans (since we saw that) and it showed that the Krenim had lost ground to enemies (since that was established).
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so tell me...if the only way to restore something erased by the timeship is to destroy the timeship, how could the above statement have been made?
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Simple, the statement in question was made prior to the destruction of the timeship.
and that counters what i asked...how?
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Agreed. I'm glad to see that it won't be a complete asspull.
It was made prior to the destruction of said timeship. No timeship, nothing to trim the timeline, no alterations.
Its timetravel mechanics 101: remove the time machine by timetravel and the timetravel narrative never happens (see. Isaac Asimov's End to Eternity). Its going to be pretty awkward though if Cryptic takes the same route this season (what the hell about our fleet holding!)
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