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Should we be able to reclaim dismissed Lockbox/Lobi ships?

lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
Well we are getting closer and closer to finally getting these expensive ships as account-wide unlocks. I know it will happen eventually so I'll be patient! The main question here is if we should be able to reclaim them on characters that have them unlocked already. My ship inventory is clogged with obsolete Lockbox/Lobi ships and I'm not going to spend rediculous amounts of cash on ships slot increases. I'd really like to dismiss without losing them permanently considering the cash I've dumped into them. There is also a cap on ship slots so that would only postpone the problem. I think ship collector's like myself would be ecstatic to have ships in their collection without wasting ship slots on ones they never use.

Thoughts?

Should we be able to reclaim dismissed Lockbox/Lobi ships? 92 votes

Yes
56%
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No
4%
gavinrunebladesopwithsnipecidjackswamarian 4 votes
I want them all account unlocks!
39%
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  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    No
    I might want it for myself, but I believe cryptic income would tank from this change and long term that would be bad. It's also only a band-aid on a batleth wound.

    What I'd prefer is they fix the database so it only loads our current ship and nothing else, thus allowing us to have infinite ship slots.
  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    I want them all account unlocks!
    This was more about them being reclaimable on characters that have them already... I don't see many people buying the same ship for the same character several times so your point makes no sense. Please read ALL the options before voting.
  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    No
    lsegn wrote: »
    This was more about them being reclaimable on characters that have them already... I don't see many people buying the same ship for the same character several times so your point makes no sense. Please read ALL the options before voting.

    I did read them all and I do understand. I think the problem is that you do not see past the symptom to the underlying problem. The biggest reason people dismiss ships is lack of ship slots. This drives sales of ship slots but what about when those are full? Hence the original requests for this feature coming from people who literally cannot buy more ship slots because of the database limit. With infinite ship slots you would never dismiss any ships so reclaiming them would be meaningless.

    As described by the devs on several occasions the database limit is that it loads every ship, every ship saved costume, and every loadout each time you change maps. This is a big performance hit to the servers. To limit the impact they limit ship slots. Each time they improve the database performance they increase the maximum number of ship slots we are allowed to buy.

    This is what I described as putting a bandaid on a batleth wound. There is no reason for the game to need any data on the ships we cannot fly. If we're not at a ship selector no data on them is relevant.

    I suspect, because sto uses the champions online engine, they modified the chapions build swap system for ship swapping (the champions one changes costume, power selection, stance, power trays etc) and that one is intended to be used on the fly between fights within a mission. Hence keeping the data available is logical for them. If I'm correct, fixing the problem is potentially too big an effort to be feasible. Which is unfortunate.

    Account wide unlocking would surely result in them lowering the drop rate and increasing the lobi prices to keep their key sales steady. I think this secondary effect is worse than the benefit.

    Thus I want neither account wide unlocks nor reclaimability. I want enough ship slots that no one ever dismisses any ship.
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    I want them all account unlocks!
    I say make them account unlocks. They are already making older lobi lockbox ships obsolete with the Strike Ship and Intel/Command Elachi Dreadnoughts. Making lockbox/lobi ships account unlocks would at least be fair, even if I think Cryptic is just in the practice of double dipping.
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  • sistericsisteric Member Posts: 768 Arc User
    Yes
    It should be made available just to cover for those people who accidentally dismiss those ships.
    I say 'accidentally' in that they thought they were dismissing one ship and just didn't just make sure they had the right one.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    I'd be fine if they became reclaimable at the character level like event ships.

    I'd be fine with paying some fee to duplicate them for alts but only if that comes as part of a more comprehensive set of updates to catch alts up. Some things need to upgrade for alts for free. Some need to be discounted for alts. Some things I'd pay for. You can sort out which is which but I think a good system has some of all three types of alt catch-up mechanisms...

    ... And if you look at other MMOs of a certain age, you generally have some of all three. (Paid catch-up, discounted catch-up, free catch-up.) For example, WoW made most cosmetic items account-wide (mounts/pets), made reputation heavily discounted, and made leveling catch-up a paid feature.

    Right now, we really just have rep bonuses.

    I'd pay for copies of certain ships to be account-wide if specializations and starship traits became account-wide for free, for instance. Or I'd pay for specializations to be account-wide if lockbox ships became paid account-wide unlocks.

    Basically, I'm willing to pay a tidy amount for more viable alts if Cryptic is also willing to provide some features for free to make alts viable. Grease the gears of alting, basically, and I'll be willing to meet the team partway on paying for it.
  • sarosssaross Member Posts: 248 Media Corps
    edited June 2015
    I want them all account unlocks!
    They seem to be making new ships every couple months for Lockbox and Lobi. People will still have to spend EC/Money to get them.

    But one counter they could pull on this is that you would have to "Win" your ship or purchase from the store before it becomes unlocked account wide. That way they can ensure you have gone through the heartache of getting the ship. Sure you can grind it out for free, but you could've also been given the ship and how fair would it be to those who worked hard to purchase the ships using EC they ground out. For those getting from the exchange, they could also throw the tag on it, or accolade "Spent obscene amount of EC for a XYZ ship!" and that would unlock the ship on the account...
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  • quintarisquintaris Member Posts: 816 Arc User
    I really only play one character, so character unlock/account unlock is the same thing for me. That said, yes, I'd love to be able to dismiss some of the older lockbox ships I'm not using anymore, but still be able to reclaim them if I ever feel like flying them again. Same with fleet ships.
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  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    No
    Basically, I'm willing to pay a tidy amount for more viable alts if Cryptic is also willing to provide some features for free to make alts viable. Grease the gears of alting, basically, and I'll be willing to meet the team partway on paying for it.

    This is an idea I think could work. Much like how swtor has an option where you can spend their zen equivalent to unlock things for other characters. That would probably prevent pwe/cryptic from feeling the need to change drop rates or lobi prices and give more options to players.

    +1 good idea.
  • lowy1lowy1 Member Posts: 964 Arc User
    Yes
    An Account wide unlock is too much for a Lobi/LB ship. However, I would support a C-Store/Lobi Token that would enable you to pick a ship to unlock on another character. I DEFINITELY approve of being able to reclaim a LB/Lobi ship that I dismissed. Not sure if they would go for it because of ship slot purchases but maybe a work around is either have shi slots maxed or purchase a reclaim token.slot from the C-Store.
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    I want them all account unlocks!
    Personally, I would like to see Lobi and Lockbox ships as account wide unlocks, but what I would really love to see is the cap on number of ships a given player can have increased to twice what it is currently. I have no desire to dismiss any of my ships, and my main is at the limit already; I cannot even buy more slots at this time, and they keep coming out with new stuff I would like to not only buy, but actually use, without having to dismiss anything in order to do so.
  • kittyflofykittyflofy Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    I want them all account unlocks!
    Account unlock, of course. Re-claimable, of course. I dont know why at this point lobi items dont have this implemented. Its not like Lobi is easy to get.. so, i will never understand whats the deal lol. Oh yeah, you can buy keys for EC, but and again someone already threw zen for it.
  • khan1000khan1000 Member Posts: 264 Arc User
    I want them all account unlocks!
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  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    No
    I voted no, I dislike it when people suggest ideas that reduces Cryptic's ability to keep the servers running and their employees paid.
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  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    I want them all account unlocks!
    I'd say we should be able to get the lockbox/Lobi ships on our alts without dropping small fortunes of Lobi...

    Mind you, I would not expect Cryptic to offer up account reclaims of these ships for free, a one-time Zen unlock price would be appropriate I'd think.

    Considering the price of these ships I can hardly think that many people run multiple versions of the same ship on their alts, account reclaims might encourage lockbox/Lobi ship sales.
  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    I want them all account unlocks!
    cidjack wrote: »
    I voted no, I dislike it when people suggest ideas that reduces Cryptic's ability to keep the servers running and their employees paid.

    I fail to see how reclaiming these ships on a SINGLE character would have any effect on Cryptic's profit.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    Yes
    cidjack wrote: »
    I voted no, I dislike it when people suggest ideas that reduces Cryptic's ability to keep the servers running and their employees paid.
    I do not think there are many players that would rebuy a ship they dismised. They'd be furious with themselves or Cryptic's policies. The number of people affected by this is minimal.

    I think this isn't really a case where Cryptic can earn noteworthy amount of money, but they can get earn themselves some good will.

    An account unlock would hurt them financially, and I think it's not really needed.

    Maybe they should just make it a 100 Lobi reclaim token. Then they can still earn from it.
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  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    No
    I fail to see how reclaiming these ships on a SINGLE character would have any effect on Cryptic's profit.

    I based on vote and comment off of the OP's reasoning for making the poll in the first place, he first mentioned he would like the option so he does not have to purchase extra ship slots, (thus robbing Cryptic the ability to make additional income). Second, As the lobi and lockbox ships require keys to obtain, if someone dismisses a ship for any reason, they are stating they are no longer going to use the ship. If they decided weeks ,months, years to pilot the ship again, they should pay for the privilege of owning it again.

    I understand that my views are in the major minority here, and I do believe that Cryptic will add the reclaim option in the future, but it does not change my views on the subject.
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  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    I want them all account unlocks!
    I went with ' all account unlocks' even though I know it will never happen.

    I wish we could re-box ships and move them to another character, that would be nice.
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    Yes
    I voted yes but, only imo after it has been opened should it be re-claimable by the very same character only. As for account wide unlocks, I definitely say no!
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