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Discrepancies in Fleet Versions of T5/T6 Avenger/Arbiter

I noticed this when I first bought my T5 Avenger Battlecruiser a couple months ago. Instead of buying the regular T5 version of the ship off the ZEN Store, I bought the Fleet Modules (500 ZEN ea normally) off the exchange and I purchased the Fleet Version from the Ship Selector. But the Fleet version does not carry the [Console - Universal - Variable Auto-Targeting Armament], even though I paid the exact same price in modules (6 = 3000 ZEN) that I would have paid for if I had bought it from the ZEN store (plus Fleet resources).

This is the same deal with the new upgraded T6 version of the Avenger, the Arbiter, that was just released. You can purchase the regular T6 version from the ZEN Store for (a currently discounted 2500 ZEN) and get the TRAIT and THE CONSOLE, but if you buy the Fleet version, which costs the exact same amount in Fleet Modules (5 = 2500) you get neither of those things.

Basically what your saying is, we have to buy the main version first to get all the goodies that come with it, and only THEN pay the SAME AMOUNT again, plus 20,000 Fleet Credits, to get the slightly upgraded Fleet Version of the same exact ship we just purchased.

Can someone from the team please address this discrepancy.

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Actually... no. If you already own the C-Store version, you get a fleet module discount. Drops the required modules down to 1.
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  • ccthrawnccthrawn Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    That's all good and nice, but I don't have the Avenger console even though I paid the same amount in modules and there is currently no heavy discount for me to retroactively buy the regular version to get it, either in ZEN or another currency. So there is clearly a discrepancy, it should work both ways.
  • narthaisnarthais Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    It has never worked both ways, fleet ships have always been just 1 more console, 10% more hull and 10% more shields. thats it.
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    If you're buying just the fleet ship with modules, you are getting a relative discount. Your Fleet T5 Avenger cost you 4 modules or $20, whereas buying it from the C-store then upgrading would get you the console and account unlock for $30 ($25 for the ship, $5 for the Fleet upgrade), so you saved $10. T6 version, same thing. C-store plus module is $35 total (real price, sale or no) for the full account unlock, trait, and console, or buy just the Fleet version alone for 5 modules / $25, again giving up the bling to save $10. You did not pay the same amount.
  • ccthrawnccthrawn Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    Yes, but what I'm saying is there is a discrepancy when I can purchase the regular version for 3000 ZEN and get all the stuff that comes with it. Then I can upgrade to the Fleet version for 1 Fleet Module (500 ZEN). But if I purchased the Fleet Version FIRST, paying the equivalent of 3000 ZEN in modules, I can't go buy the regular version with the console and trait for 500 ZEN.

    Basically, I technically bought them out of order, and because I did so I have to pay 2x the price. That's a discrepancy, a bad one, and honestly it seems like a technical error because in order to buy the Fleet Version, you should have already purchased the main version beforehand. Yet the system allows you to circumvent that and pay full price for a fleet version but get none of the amenities.
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Double check your math. Fleet version, purchased alone, costs less, 5 modules not 6. If you made a mistake in purchasing out of order, well sorry for you, but thats how its been since the Fleet ships launched. They're not going to give you a retroactive discount. You made a mistake, its a mistake people have made before because this game so often unclear on things, it sucks, but you're gonna have to live with it. Lesson learned for the future.

    On the plus side, I've heard VATA kinda sucks anyways, so at least its a lesson that only costs you frustration instead of cash.

    Edit:
    Seriously? This forum is filtering S - U - C - K - S now? We sharing gamespace with Hello Kitty or something? Jeeze.
  • rimmarierimmarie Member Posts: 423 Arc User

    Some people don't care for the console, nor do they want to bother with the normal version. They can buy the Fleet modules off the Exchange and never have to bother with Zen at all.

    I think the Fleet version should mention it doesn't come with the VATA console though.
    We sorta take it for granted that we just know the Fleet versions of C-Store ships do not come with special consoles, but I think it would help new players.

  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    rimmarie wrote: »
    Some people don't care for the console, nor do they want to bother with the normal version. They can buy the Fleet modules off the Exchange and never have to bother with Zen at all.

    I think the Fleet version should mention it doesn't come with the VATA console though.
    We sorta take it for granted that we just know the Fleet versions of C-Store ships do not come with special consoles, but I think it would help new players.

    Do people around here read the descriptions on the C-Store and/or Shipyard Info Screens to see what a product has and what it comes with before they buy anymore? Anyone else but me???

    Cryptic doesn't have to do anything special. Because the info pages already tell what comes with any variant of any ship.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    rimmarie wrote: »
    Some people don't care for the console, nor do they want to bother with the normal version. They can buy the Fleet modules off the Exchange and never have to bother with Zen at all.

    I think the Fleet version should mention it doesn't come with the VATA console though.
    We sorta take it for granted that we just know the Fleet versions of C-Store ships do not come with special consoles, but I think it would help new players.

    Do people around here read the descriptions on the C-Store and/or Shipyard Info Screens to see what a product has and what it comes with before they buy anymore? Anyone else but me???

    Of course not, instructions are for losers. Much better to just buy stuff and complain if it's not what you thought it would be. :D

    But seriously, the OP must obviously have read the description of at least some version of the ship to know the console even exists in the first place, so its his fault not reading the description of the ship he actually bought.
  • ccthrawnccthrawn Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    It is my fault for not realizing that these ships needed to be bought in order. Or it's my fault for having faith in the developers in making sure that a system was in place so that players would actually know that there was an order to buy the ships in in the first place...
  • kirimuffinkirimuffin Member Posts: 695 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    ETA: Never mind; misread the thread.
  • ryugasiriusryugasirius Member Posts: 283 Arc User
    ccthrawn wrote: »
    It is my fault for not realizing that these ships needed to be bought in order. Or it's my fault for having faith in the developers in making sure that a system was in place so that players would actually know that there was an order to buy the ships in in the first place...

    There is not "an order" you "need" to buy ships in, you buy whatever you like. There happens to be a discount for owners of base version, but this is really old stuff, not a recent change. The news stated exactly what would you get for each ship version. Trait and console for base version, no trait and no console for fleet version.
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  • nccmarknccmark Member Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    Not their discrepancy.
    Your laziness.

    Read in advance and do the math.
    Do it differently next time.

    You are owed nothing now...no refund, no apology, no further explanation.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    nccmark wrote: »
    Not their discrepancy.
    Your laziness.

    Read in advance and do the math.
    Do it differently next time.

    You are owed nothing now...no refund, no apology, no further explanation.

    Yeah, basically this.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    ccthrawn wrote: »
    That's all good and nice, but I don't have the Avenger console even though I paid the same amount in modules and there is currently no heavy discount for me to retroactively buy the regular version to get it, either in ZEN or another currency. So there is clearly a discrepancy, it should work both ways.
    Next time, read everything before you buy. There is no discrepancy at all.
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  • czertik123czertik123 Member Posts: 1,122 Arc User
    ccthrawn wrote: »
    Yes, but what I'm saying is there is a discrepancy when I can purchase the regular version for 3000 ZEN and get all the stuff that comes with it. Then I can upgrade to the Fleet version for 1 Fleet Module (500 ZEN). But if I purchased the Fleet Version FIRST, paying the equivalent of 3000 ZEN in modules, I can't go buy the regular version with the console and trait for 500 ZEN.

    Basically, I technically bought them out of order, and because I did so I have to pay 2x the price. That's a discrepancy, a bad one, and honestly it seems like a technical error because in order to buy the Fleet Version, you should have already purchased the main version beforehand. Yet the system allows you to circumvent that and pay full price for a fleet version but get none of the amenities.

    well, i never ever understanded ppl who bueyd fleet ship without buing c-tore ship first to get not only consoles, fleet modules discount but especialy acount unlock.

    but you that you bueyd flelt modules with energy credits (buying at exchange) rather than for dilitium ( exchange for zen), right ?
    so this way you saved A LOT of dill to get that ship which you used on different things.
    and if you didnt knowed that buing c-store ship will get you console+discount+acount unlock - well, your fault, live and learn.
    for what you have forums ?
  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    ccthrawn wrote: »
    That's all good and nice, but I don't have the Avenger console even though I paid the same amount in modules and there is currently no heavy discount for me to retroactively buy the regular version to get it, either in ZEN or another currency. So there is clearly a discrepancy, it should work both ways.
    Next time, read everything before you buy. There is no discrepancy at all.

    Oh, there is. The discount option only works in one direction and I think that was the point the OP was trying to make.
    That is a discrepancy. Decide for yourself if it´s good or bad, but it´s there regardless. :)
  • czertik123czertik123 Member Posts: 1,122 Arc User
    ccthrawn wrote: »
    It is my fault for not realizing that these ships needed to be bought in order. Or it's my fault for having faith in the developers in making sure that a system was in place so that players would actually know that there was an order to buy the ships in in the first place...

    well, i agree with that part that devs should make clear that buing c-store ship first will give you fleet modules discount, but that all. not realizing that ship lack console is your own fault, read description.
    it bring back memories of eve online where were normal and fleet (of it was faction ?) version of ship, problem was that normal ship costed cca 600k of money, fleet around 500m on official exchange, but many were succesfuly scamed because they accepted "superior personalized offer" in which they bought "fleet" ship for 200-300m. Yeah pack was named fleet ship, BUT when you looked inside that package (and it was realy easy to do) - and readed name of that ship/desciption.....you finded it was normal ship and not fleet one.
    and laughet at thier tears when they realized they were scamed...they tried to scam me too, but i was smarter.


  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    qjunior wrote: »
    The discount option only works in one direction and I think that was the point the OP was trying to make.
    That is a discrepancy. Decide for yourself if it´s good or bad, but it´s there regardless. :)

    There really isn't a discrepancy. OK, say some one purchased the fleet ship using only the dil to zen conversion. If that allowed him to then purchase the C-Store ship at a discount (say 500 zen as I have seen posted in this thread), now that player has unlocked an account wide $25 or $30 ship for only $5 out of his own pocket. Cryptic would lose money that way. Say what you will about the greed of Cryptic or Perfect World, they are a business and the focus of business is profit.
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    qjunior wrote: »
    ccthrawn wrote: »
    That's all good and nice, but I don't have the Avenger console even though I paid the same amount in modules and there is currently no heavy discount for me to retroactively buy the regular version to get it, either in ZEN or another currency. So there is clearly a discrepancy, it should work both ways.
    Next time, read everything before you buy. There is no discrepancy at all.

    Oh, there is. The discount option only works in one direction and I think that was the point the OP was trying to make.
    That is a discrepancy. Decide for yourself if it´s good or bad, but it´s there regardless. :)
    The OP asserts that the Zen first/FSM discount "should" work both ways. There is nothing in the advertising of any item that proves that it should. If you want to get all English class on the definition of discrepancy that's fine. The "discrepancy" is intentional and there is nothing wrong about it.
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