the gorn have a lack of customization in my opinion. Here is the list of additions i think should be made to the gorn customization.
Horns. various styles and shapes of horns as "hair" for the gorn.
scale patterns and colors. it is of my opinion that here should be a wider variety in the colors we can choose for them. as well as different scale patterns and coloring's containing different shapes and patters for scales and bone plates. and diffrent color patterns for them
tails?. from what i've been reading online there are some different species of gorn with different physical characteristics perhaps have options to change between the species or select specific characteristics from the different species. they would also be able to use these in combat
Combat. gorn should have different unarmed combat capabilities more attuned to their species physical traits. they would be able to use their claws in combat to great effect, and if the tails were added they could also use the tails in melee combat
Whats everyone else s opinions on this or ideas for improvements to the gorn?
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Having a Gorn pick up opponents to smack them around would be good. I like the idea of hand-hand combat with one.
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But I, too, have often wished that Player Character Gorn could at least have the correct number of digits on their hands, and unique claw-swiping hand-to-hand combat animations.
I mean it. Combine the virtually useless Cold Blooded trait with Reptilian Strength into one composite racial trait (as was done long ago for some of the other races who once had excessive numbers of largely useless racial traits), and make room for sensible and useful traits that should logically have been available all along.
also that being said. am an annoyed at their blockey head and body shape.. i sort of want them to have more curves.. and less angles. thats my bigest annoyance with it
Gorn need to recieve some attention, just like Tellarites btw. Their traits are also useless, they lack classic options (three digit claws, come on!) and their females look weird (not even like the same species). If we have to go with ENT visuals with everything at least include some customization options.
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No. A classic Gorn look needs to be made. The old appearance was just a low rez version of what we have now, it didn't capture the beauty of the Doctor Who style rubber heads of the TOS and TAS Gorn. Nor did it resemble the sleeker, more Raptor like ENT Gorn head.
As for the Tellarites, I'd have loved for the females to have beards, female Nausicaans to look like the ENT Nausicaans, Saurian females not to have b.reasts, female Gorn to be completely identical to the males except for the height slider that goes much higher.
In other words, variation on the theme of sexual dimorphism, beyond, Male=beard, female=b.reasts.
Edit: Nope. Sod off censor, you don't get to censor words like b.reast. Poor Americans
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I'd be okay with that. I just remember the launch Gorn had the facette-eyes of the TOS costume and it looked a little bit more similiar. The current Gorn look completely different from anything. But I support a complete revamp any time.
I'd be fine with female Tellarites showing of their bristles. There are a lot of opportunities to crazy here, and still trying to stay true to the source material. After all, they are Founders of the Federation - you'd think they deserve at least some attention equal to Andorians and Vulcans.
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I used to support adding the old head as an option to the current Gorn however I had a good look at the last survivor (in the KDF Shipyard) and I believe it's just too low quality to be used, even if it is slightly more accurate.
With the Tellarites, we never see females on-screen or even hear them referenced, personally I like the idea of them being like Tolkien's Dwarves with next to no sexual dimorphism.
I was actually surprised the censor didn't star out 'sexual dimorphism'.
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The old Gorn skin is actually a reasonably close match to the ENT Gorn having looked at it again. Remove the teeth and head spikes and it's quite similar.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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ooh i prefer most of those to what the currentley look like. a more raptory/snakey look would be really nice. most of those would be massive improvments. though the weird orc one, aswell as the bad mascot tos one are terrible.
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Gorn need more love. The newer Gornzilla look is ok, I suppose, but I kind of like the older skin. I still have some of my uniform options set to use it on my gorn engineer.
More scale patterns, teeth/fang options, horns or spike options would be a real good start. Having more clothing options would be nice too. Having my gornzilla run around in a tuxedo is amusing and all, but it would be great to have some clothes that are for the gorn specifically.
Having the ability to improvise weapons should also be something the Gorn are capable of. Claw attacks, ripping chunks of the landscape out and throwing it, grabbing a hapless redshirt and beating down his away team with him would be stellar.
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But the "three species" thing and the Iconian servitor races are in no way connected and neither of it is canon. The whole Iconian spiel is STOs invention, Iconians were ever only referenced by name in canon and vanished 200k years ago and the Gorn didn't get a history at all, aside from being encountered in the mid to late 23rd century.
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It's likely there still are a minimum of two species anyway. The ENT Gorn have digitigrade legs and three claws TOS and TAS Gorn have plantigrade legs and 5 claws. Unlike the ridge and spike variations the leg and claw thing can't just be variation within a species.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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It is also likely that ENT plain sucks
Don't get me wrong, that's not my conclusion of the case but it is really hard to understand what they were going for. I think, because the original Gorn reached pop-cultural levels of popularity as a "cheap" effect and as such is very negatively biased if you try to make something taken differently, the ENT-Gorn is just a "costume update". Like TOS and TNG/TMP Klingons. ENT ruined those as well because they felt the need to explain the costume difference which was previously accepted as a mere costume difference (Rodenberry said Klingons always looked like they did in TNG and it was played to comedic effect in DS9's great Tribble episode but essentially this is the only way it makes sense. The augment story of ENT is painfully nonsensical, in a out-of-universe biology-disrespecting way and from an in-universe point of view as well).
The question is just to which kind of costume we want to stick here. Since STO is not a game with internal consistency or rhyme or reason but merely a theme park to show off memorabilia they could simply include both option and it would be fine for us to choose.
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I'd have been fine with Klingons (and the Romulans for that matter) simply being different species in the Empire, they've been in the Empire so long they are just Klingons or Romulans despite being different biologically. With Gorn they could be both be divergent evolution on Gornar. Updates to the heads follow the Klingon model but the different legs is a bit of a step too far for just make-up evolution.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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I don't like the different species approach in any incarnation (also, the Xindi are a concept I don't like, it's just too sloppy even for Star Trek science). But if you need a headcanon explanation you could get away with the ENT-gorn being mirror universe Gorn. Since Star Trek ruined the Mirror Universe from a (for it's time) ingenious morality play to some running gag/weird, nonsensical alternate reality spiel (DS9 is as guilty as ENT in this case, although ENT of course completely killed it
But I still think it's a costume issue as they tried to move as far away from rubber-gorn as possible. See also the JJ-universe in which Gorn are just jurassic park raptors with laser guns (they appear in the game. But don't play that, just google for videos - I recommend angry joe's review
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The head on the top right of the image I posted earlier is meant to be a Gorn from 09's deleted Rura Penthe scenes. Other than the eyes being in the wrong place it's not bad at all. Those... things from the game... urgh, thank goodness the're not canon.
Having thought about it, digitigrade legs (for Catians and Gorn) and three fingered hands (Gorn and Tellarites) are some options it would be very nice to have.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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Voth show strong herbivore traits and in the VOY episode they were directly descended from an Herbivore. In STO we have them using carinvore Dinosaurs as shock troops. Perhaps the Gorn are:
1)The remnants of sentient Carnivorous species that left earth with the early Voth, but cultural/philisophical/mental differences led to a split between the two and the Voth left. Being carnivores they are more aggressive, and could easily have blasted themselves back to the stone age in war
2)The descendants of early Voth genetic experiments to use carnivore DNA to make shocktroops. The Gorn proved too difficult/impossible to control and were thus abandoned as a failed experiment and developed on their own.
Either explains the Gorn thought that the Alpha Quadrant was once theirs and the existence of proto-Gorn ruins/artifacts.
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