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Noticed something during the Powerboard Race today.

At the first ramp I noticed people were jumping the rock wall next to the ramp instead of using the ramp.

Are they supposed to be able to do that?

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  • swamarianswamarian Member Posts: 1,506 Arc User
    Probably not, but we've been doing it ever since the race was introduced. You'll also notice people aren't staying within the flags on the first stretch, either. The "race area" is pretty large, so you can wander off course a fair bit and be OK.
  • dragonsbrethrendragonsbrethren Member Posts: 1,854 Arc User
    Yeah, these were issues last year too. We had threads pointing them all out, but nothing about the race course was modified for this year's event.
  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 741 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    The buoys are guides, not track boundaries, the race explanation even states so, they aren't cheating or rule breaking.

    There are countless points in the race where you can cut a corner and make distance, at the start, and also at the end, and just about everyone does it.
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,535 Arc User
    I try to stay within the boundaries but I am glad there is a little leeway as its easy to stray off course at times and as I know I am not going to get a place anyway so I cant say I`m all that fussed, as long as I get to finish and get the prize for competing I`m happy, and its still fun anyway.

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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    swamarian wrote: »
    Probably not, but we've been doing it ever since the race was introduced. You'll also notice people aren't staying within the flags on the first stretch, either. The "race area" is pretty large, so you can wander off course a fair bit and be OK.

    yeah, also the last corner where the two ramps are before the short run for the flags? if you aim your board on the earth on the left just enough, you will gain a boost for the run out to the finish, there by avoid the ramps incase you get a lot of air.
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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    The buoys are guides, not track boundaries, the race explanation even states so, they aren't cheating or rule breaking.

    LOL! They ain't cheating until Cryptic changes their minds about it. Does a certain Gamma Quadrant patrol mission that was giving too much XP come to mind? HAHAHAHAHA!

  • sunseahlsunseahl Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    The buoys are guides, not track boundaries, the race explanation even states so, they aren't cheating or rule breaking.

    LOL! They ain't cheating until Cryptic changes their minds about it. Does a certain Gamma Quadrant patrol mission that was giving too much XP come to mind? HAHAHAHAHA!

    How about that little "shortcut" in the Eppoh tag race? ;)

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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    I have a suggestion on this.

    Instead of giving people such a wide area as to make the track guides meaningless:

    Have a counter of times people were off track. Too many times and it's a failure.

    Also, rather than the flag grabbing thing? I understand that Cryptic can't have automatic race completion due to some built in latency and relative positioning display inconsistency. But instead of making the race "first/second/third" etc., they could award the final prizes by tier. Ie. Complete in X minutes, get prize X.

    While we're at it, I think it would be a better event design for the daily reward to have a triathalon rather than 3 flight tracks out of 4. Ie. something like:

    Build a sand castle, do a powerboard track, and do a jet pack.
  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 741 Arc User
    Have a counter of times people were off track. Too many times and it's a failure.

    You are assuming going outside the buoys is ''off track'', the only off track is when you get disqualified for.. you guessed it, going off track.

    I understand people who always stay obediently within the buoys don't like it that others don't, but Cryptic has not said that it's off track, not allowed or not intended, and until they do, which they likely would through changing it in the event, it's something I will keep doing, it gives me an edge over those who would not do it, so why wouldn't I? Everyone got the TARG, and now the faction boards also, to get an edge, so why would such a person not take any allowed shortcuts either?
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    Have a counter of times people were off track. Too many times and it's a failure.

    You are assuming going outside the buoys is ''off track'', the only off track is when you get disqualified for.. you guessed it, going off track.

    I understand people who always stay obediently within the buoys don't like it that others don't, but Cryptic has not said that it's off track, not allowed or not intended, and until they do, which they likely would through changing it in the event, it's something I will keep doing, it gives me an edge over those who would not do it, so why wouldn't I? Everyone got the TARG, and now the faction boards also, to get an edge, so why would such a person not take any allowed shortcuts either?

    Because the Targ is something anyone can do with documented information and knowing where the actual track boundaries are requires probing the system.

    I am not calling you a cheater. I am saying that a new design in future years would be a better design. A design which provides advantage to emergent knowledge (especially above and beyond provided guidelines, ANY form of guidelines or cues, ANYWHERE) is a design that is working suboptimally.

    I couldn't care less about whether this is an exploit or cheating or whatever. I think it could be designed better and I supplied a different model that STILL allows tolerances for user error but which would encourage following the provided guidelines. All it would take is failure condition waypoints placed around the edges of the track. You wouldn't fail for crossing one. But you'd trip a counter and when the counter maxes out, you'd fail.
  • swamarianswamarian Member Posts: 1,506 Arc User
    I like the current system fine. It benefits people who take the time to experiment, or at least have their eyes open. It also doesn't penalize people who can't see half the environment because it won't render, or get massive drops in DPS because the Risa map isn't friendly to lower end systems. I've gone fairly far out of the water before, simply because I couldn't see what was in front of me. Yeah, I can't win like that, but at least I'm not being disqualified.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    swamarian wrote: »
    I like the current system fine. It benefits people who take the time to experiment, or at least have their eyes open. It also doesn't penalize people who can't see half the environment because it won't render, or get massive drops in DPS because the Risa map isn't friendly to lower end systems. I've gone fairly far out of the water before, simply because I couldn't see what was in front of me. Yeah, I can't win like that, but at least I'm not being disqualified.

    im using a fairly modern computer, 2 years old for all the components, all stuff updated. even more me the FPS is still flagging in the race and i am convinced its tied to the connection at times, because when i do a lag a bit the frame rate also drops. crazy.

    im thinking of going from a hd7900 to a r9 390x when i got the money.
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  • lieutenantusherlieutenantusher Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    swamarian wrote: »
    im thinking of going from a hd7900 to a r9 390x when i got the money.

    As someone who has the game maxed setting wise and is running a 7870 I can't say (besides from when there's an issue in game causing FPS drops - ex. Undine bz (which still can happen) and CCA (which doesn't) I see any major drops in FPS. I've never understood why so many people use top-end cards just for STO but I also have a tight budget.

    As for the race I too stay within the lines, I like racing games so that just feels more fun to me. Sure I'll never win but I'm not really willing to spend 1500 pearls so one toon has a shot at winning either. I have fun and get a small reward and I compete with the people at the back still. Seems like a fine race to me. I do like the idea of rewarding based on time to completion rather than a first to catch the flag. I finished last in one race but got second just because so many people missed the flag.
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