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questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
Is there going to be a redirect when using a bookmark from an old forum topic old link to its new location?

I have saved numerous links to topics on the old forum to use as reference and it'd be a royal pain in the back if old addresses were not redirected to their new locations.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.

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  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    they didnt even import my subscriptions. i had those organised and all :(
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    Subscriptions. One more thing on the to-do list.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    I have yet to see any company do a forum move "well". For me, the worst thing is google. I used that soooo much to find the info I needed on the forums and now it's going to take probably a couple months for all that to come back. Don't know why the people in charge of these moves seem to never think about that and actually set things up so that there will be redirects.
  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,644 Bug Hunter
    tempus64 wrote: »
    I have yet to see any company do a forum move "well". For me, the worst thing is google. I used that soooo much to find the info I needed on the forums and now it's going to take probably a couple months for all that to come back. Don't know why the people in charge of these moves seem to never think about that and actually set things up so that there will be redirects.

    Yeah Google still brings back search results to the old old forums which instantly pops up a redirect and sends you to the arc homepage. It's going to take a loooooong time for it to update to the latest rendition of poor forum software.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    Always interesting to see that people prefer google over the internal search of a forum.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,644 Bug Hunter
    questerius wrote: »
    Always interesting to see that people prefer google over the internal search of a forum.

    I don't prefer it as such. But if I'm not already on the forums I can type into a Google search from my desktop without even having to open a browser first. Plus internal forum searches can sometimes be a bit counter intuitive in their limitations such as minimum number of characters, search being to complex, not looking for matching words because they aren't in the exact order etc.
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  • tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    Always interesting to see that people prefer google over the internal search of a forum.
    Sadly, I have yet to be on a forum that does search better than google. Forum software is typical just a very basic search implementation but with google, they do all that "intent" stuff etc.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    @pwlaughingtrendy should see this topic. :expressionless:
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    Is there going to be a redirect when using a bookmark from an old forum topic old link to its new location?

    I have saved numerous links to topics on the old forum to use as reference and it'd be a royal pain in the back if old addresses were not redirected to their new locations.

    I would like a redirect as well. Goodness at my STO forum favorites folder; it's immense!
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    tempus64 wrote: »
    I have yet to see any company do a forum move "well". For me, the worst thing is google. I used that soooo much to find the info I needed on the forums and now it's going to take probably a couple months for all that to come back. Don't know why the people in charge of these moves seem to never think about that and actually set things up so that there will be redirects.

    the great ones setup mod_rewrite and regex voodoo to redirect all threads to their new location and send google the appropriate 301 header (moved permanently). i have no idea why pwe didnt do that. its not like they are short on manpower. oddly enough, hobbiest forum owners seem to be the most likely to take that kind of care in their forum.
  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    questerius wrote: »
    Subscriptions. One more thing on the to-do list.

    i asked about that, and trendys response was to simply remember to bookmark every thread you participate in.
    obviously she has never experienced the joy of automatic 'no email notification' subscriptions. imo that should be the default standard everywhere.
  • tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    tempus64 wrote: »
    I have yet to see any company do a forum move "well". For me, the worst thing is google. I used that soooo much to find the info I needed on the forums and now it's going to take probably a couple months for all that to come back. Don't know why the people in charge of these moves seem to never think about that and actually set things up so that there will be redirects.

    the great ones setup mod_rewrite and regex voodoo to redirect all threads to their new location and send google the appropriate 301 header (moved permanently). i have no idea why pwe didnt do that. its not like they are short on manpower. oddly enough, hobbiest forum owners seem to be the most likely to take that kind of care in their forum.

    That only works if the post #s are the same between the old and new system. It doesn't look like that's the case here in which case you would have to have a cross reference table and run the redirect thru a script that then uses that table to do the correct redirect and do the 301 etc.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    With other words, no redirect, but manual labour.
    The sheer amount of bookmarks needs to be weeded out, but it's still not a job i look forward to.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,535 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    not really that big an issue as someone would need to be reading you old post with links in them anyway and as most people don't read beyond the first couple or few of pages of threads anyway I cant see it would warrant putting a redirect for every possible thread there is as that would be a monumental task.

    easier just to know that older threads may have dead links in them and just except it as is.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    not really that big an issue as someone would need to be reading you old post with links in them anyway and as most people don't read beyond the first couple or few of pages of threads anyway I cant see it would warrant putting a redirect for every possible thread there is as that would be a monumental task.

    easier just to know that older threads may have dead links in them and just except it as is.

    That does not address the rather extensive bookmarks some of us have ...
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    Always interesting to see that people prefer google over the internal search of a forum.

    For many things, I preferred the internal search (which was functional with the old forum, but sadly is TRIBBLE with the new forum) to using Google for most things. There were just certain words that were either too common or too short for the old forum's search...which would mean heading off to Google for those particular searches.

    If the current forum had a functional search, there would at least be the option of trying to update certain things...as it stands though? Meh, yeah, my trying to find a post where bareel talked about the spreadsheet maelwys did...just doesn't do diddly squat with the horrible search functionality (lack of function) that we have.
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,535 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    protogoth wrote: »
    not really that big an issue as someone would need to be reading you old post with links in them anyway and as most people don't read beyond the first couple or few of pages of threads anyway I cant see it would warrant putting a redirect for every possible thread there is as that would be a monumental task.

    easier just to know that older threads may have dead links in them and just except it as is.

    That does not address the rather extensive bookmarks some of us have ...

    changes can be tough but sometimes you just need to live with it, just delete all your bookmarks and start afresh.
    I have a feeling if you try to find all the threads you bookmarked even if you can remember what they all were it will drive you crazy trying.
    make the sane choice and just start over, you can always do a search if it crops up that you need to quote an old thread in a new post and then just make a new bookmark then if you feel the need.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,644 Bug Hunter
    edited June 2015
    For many things, I preferred the internal search (which was functional with the old forum, but sadly is TRIBBLE with the new forum) to using Google for most things. There were just certain words that were either too common or too short for the old forum's search...which would mean heading off to Google for those particular searches.

    If the current forum had a functional search, there would at least be the option of trying to update certain things...as it stands though? Meh, yeah, my trying to find a post where bareel talked about the spreadsheet maelwys did...just doesn't do diddly squat with the horrible search functionality (lack of function) that we have.

    The thing I miss the most about the old search was being able to search for all threads I'd commented in and easily see which ones had new posts.
    I had hoped the notification system on Vanilla would mean I wouldn't miss that, but when you log on first thing in the morning and have 87 new notifications, it's pretty ****ing hard to tell where the first new one in that list is without manually counting back each notification. Why it feels the need to notify you of every new post instead of just the first new post, I'm not really sure.

    Edit: Another thing the old search was handy for though was when you knew you'd seen a dev mention something but you couldn't remember where. You could search posts made by them containing key words.
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    protogoth wrote: »
    not really that big an issue as someone would need to be reading you old post with links in them anyway and as most people don't read beyond the first couple or few of pages of threads anyway I cant see it would warrant putting a redirect for every possible thread there is as that would be a monumental task.

    easier just to know that older threads may have dead links in them and just except it as is.

    That does not address the rather extensive bookmarks some of us have ...

    changes can be tough but sometimes you just need to live with it, just delete all your bookmarks and start afresh.
    I have a feeling if you try to find all the threads you bookmarked even if you can remember what they all were it will drive you crazy trying.
    make the sane choice and just start over, you can always do a search if it crops up that you need to quote an old thread in a new post and then just make a new bookmark then if you feel the need.

    Why should I have to do that work? I didn't ask for the old fora to be changed to these new fora. I simply want my bookmarks to still be viable, at least long enough to change the URL addresses in them. And then in 3-5 years, when someone gets the brilliant idea to move to whatever the new shiny is at that time, I'll be expected to do the same work (plus another 3-5 years of bookmarks) again?

    I think not. If these fora are really superior to the old fora (which is still an open question), then Vanilla should have managed the transfer in a more user-friendly fashion, and part of that means redirects from old URL addresses to the new locations of things which used to be at those addresses (and not merely a redirect to a page that says "Yo, we changed the fora, yo, and here's the new address to the new main page, yo.").

    Even my cell phone company is more accommodating when I upgrade to a new cell phone.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    changes can be tough but sometimes you just need to live with it, just delete all your bookmarks and start afresh.
    I have a feeling if you try to find all the threads you bookmarked even if you can remember what they all were it will drive you crazy trying.
    make the sane choice and just start over, you can always do a search if it crops up that you need to quote an old thread in a new post and then just make a new bookmark then if you feel the need.

    Delete all the bookmarks and start fresh? The amount of info in those bookmarks rival the entire wiki and you tell me and others to "start fresh"?

    Are we responsible for their mess ups?
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    For many things, I preferred the internal search (which was functional with the old forum, but sadly is TRIBBLE with the new forum) to using Google for most things. There were just certain words that were either too common or too short for the old forum's search...which would mean heading off to Google for those particular searches.

    If the current forum had a functional search, there would at least be the option of trying to update certain things...as it stands though? Meh, yeah, my trying to find a post where bareel talked about the spreadsheet maelwys did...just doesn't do diddly squat with the horrible search functionality (lack of function) that we have.
    The thing I miss the most about the old search was being able to search for all threads I'd commented in and easily see which ones had new posts.
    I had hoped the notification system on Vanilla would mean I wouldn't miss that, but when you log on first thing in the morning and have 87 new notifications, it's pretty ****ing hard to tell where the first new one in that list is without manually counting back each notification. Why it feels the need to notify you of every new post instead of just the first new post, I'm not really sure.

    Edit: Another thing the old search was handy for though was when you knew you'd seen a dev mention something but you couldn't remember where. You could search posts made by them containing key words.

    Having to delete the notifications one at a time...click the X...click the Okay...on to the next, meh. At least if we had a delete all sort of thing, we could clear out the notifications that we've already looked at - meaning it would be easier to see what the new notifications actually were, yeah?

    And yep, the search by keyword with a particular user - that was just awesome, and it is brutal not to have something like that with this current search. It would be a means to be able to hunt down some of the broken links/bookmarks to try to fix them if we could at least do that.

    Still, it's a work in progress, yeah? I mean, Hell, when it first came up again - the quotes didn't even provide the link to the original quote. That left things open to all sorts of fake quoting nonsense...heh, yeah, I complained pretty strenuously about that one.

    So only time will tell where things end up as they tweak stuff. Will have to see how many folks take a vacation and wait to see if things get straightened out - how many folks just give up on it and walk away.

    edit: Still drives me crazy that he-double-L is a filtered word...I mean, lolwut?
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    Always interesting to see that people prefer google over the internal search of a forum.

    that will take some time to figure out by itself, google is simply more easier for now.. but again thats assuming the links are accurate..
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,535 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    changes can be tough but sometimes you just need to live with it, just delete all your bookmarks and start afresh.
    I have a feeling if you try to find all the threads you bookmarked even if you can remember what they all were it will drive you crazy trying.
    make the sane choice and just start over, you can always do a search if it crops up that you need to quote an old thread in a new post and then just make a new bookmark then if you feel the need.

    Delete all the bookmarks and start fresh? The amount of info in those bookmarks rival the entire wiki and you tell me and others to "start fresh"?

    Are we responsible for their mess ups?

    well good luck waiting for cryptic to do the work, I think you`ll find you have a long wait.
    if you choose to find every page you have a link to well I`ll see you again in a couple of years.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    I would have been satisfied with making the old forum read only, but the way they went about things threw a massive wrench into the machine work.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,644 Bug Hunter
    On the topic of the rubbish forum search feature, I've found several search feature plugins for Vanilla. I'm really hoping they decide to try some of them out as they provide a lot more of the functionality we're used to from VB.
    Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    Another reason to have auto-redirect code? It means we in the fan fiction community don't have to go through and manually update every. Single. Gorram. Link.
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