Well there might be an issue once that child encounters things at school that the parent didn't prepare them for. My parents never gave me the sex talk and by the time I was 8 I knew more than enough. there was no shielding me from it unless I was homeschooled there are just things in this world that your kids will encounter and they won't encounter it when You are ready for them to. There's about 75% of parental involvement in a kids development and 25% of the rest of the world. In fact the world probably takes a larger part than 25% for most kids.
They'll figure it out somehow! 😂
In my experience parents generally do a pretty good job of preparing their kids for the world. But nothing is ever perfect... *shrug*
Well here we go again... My parents didn't tell me my aunt was a TRIBBLE until I was old enough to understand. They were right to do so.
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I grew up thinking I was weird and wrong for having different feeling than what was perceived to be normal for my gender because no one took the time to explain to me that i was different and it was okay to be different. I hid these facts about myself for most of my life because i was scared and afraid of being the next Mathew Sheppard. And this goes back as far as I can remember in my childhood. I could have really used some knowledge back then besides from the common "TRIBBLE going to hell" bit. If being a homosexual is an adult thing then just why have I been this way my whole entire life?
Well you could just "skip" it or if you don't want to read the text just "skip" the Oh so smallest of small detail EVER and boom you can progress.
Technically yes, but that's like skipping an episode of a TV series. You miss a lot of important stuff. You know actually important story stuff, not an overstereotyped bull-TRIBBLE and her b*tch. :rolleyes:
Which was perhaps the most offensive LGBT portrayal I've ever witnessed.
I grew up thinking I was weird and wrong for having different feeling than what was perceived to be normal for my gender because no one took the time to explain to me that i was different and it was okay to be different. I hid these facts about myself for most of my life because i was scared and afraid of being the next Mathew Sheppard. And this goes back as far as I can remember in my childhood. I could have really used some knowledge back then besides from the common "TRIBBLE going to hell" bit. If being a homosexual is an adult thing then just why have I been this way my whole entire life?
Your the exception to the rule. Some kids may need extra guidance, that's up to the parents to figure out.
It's funny, people scream "Intolerant!" at someone if they disagree with them politely, the same as if they said something offensive. They claim to be all about equality and tolerance for everyone, yet here we have intolerance and attacks occurring on those who disagree with a lifestyle. The Hypocrisy is no surprise.
Claiming that it is inappropriate for young people to be 'exposed' to LGBT people is TRIBBLE bashing. It's bashing gays by saying there is something wrong with them, something dirty or bad about them, something bad in a way that they are unfit to be around children.
It's old school "stay in the closet" bashing, and it has no place on a forum like this, its a sleazy way of insulting TRIBBLE people, including TRIBBLE young people.
It is completely indefensible. Utterly beyond the pale.
^Standard case right here. If he believes it is not appropriate for young children, that is his right. You can claim all your "Oh this is TRIBBLE bashing" nonsense all you want. Where's your tolerance now?
Claiming that it is inappropriate for young people to be 'exposed' to LGBT people is TRIBBLE bashing. It's bashing gays by saying there is something wrong with them, something dirty or bad about them, something bad in a way that they are unfit to be around children.
It's old school "stay in the closet" bashing, and it has no place on a forum like this, its a sleazy way of insulting TRIBBLE people, including TRIBBLE young people.
It is completely indefensible. Utterly beyond the pale.
Never really felt the need for one of those many /facepalm meme's until reading this thread.
With as crappy as that overall story was, people are getting pent up on having their characters/their childrens characters "interact" with TRIBBLE klingons for all of 15 seconds?
You people probably get all Pre-K, "Ewww" when you see PDA's as well, huh?
It's funny, people scream "Intolerant!" at someone if they disagree with them politely, the same as if they said something offensive. They claim to be all about equality and tolerance for everyone, yet here we have intolerance and attacks occurring on those who disagree with a lifestyle. The Hypocrisy is no surprise.
The irony of me being TRIBBLE and yet hating most other gays for that very reason... Of course it extends to all rights groups and then humanity in general. LOL
I just saw this in the comments of that article. . . kinda makes sense to me. .
people will agree or disagree but this guy has a point about pushing for acceptance from all.
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Cause like many many many years ago when black people had no equal rights many many people acted like you are now.
until people like myself pushed for a change most notably "Martin Luther King" this forced people to then move things forward into political and social environments to force people to accept change.
ring any bells.
you can not advocate for change without upsetting a few people who will not accept liability for their actions against said change.
being in your face about certain issues and pushing those issues out in the wider community and making people see will not bring about change.
so ok you don't like it but get used to this issue being brought up over and over in and around your daily life cause it's not going away and needs to be pushed into the faces of the narrow mined and uneducated to make people realise and learn that LGBT people deserve equality the same rights the hetrosexuals have had for decades.
He has a right to believe any awful thing he wants, about TRIBBLE people, black people, jews, muslims, whatever.
But in the real world people have responsibilities as well as rights. He has a responsibility to conduct himself in a certain way as a condition of using the forums, and a further responsibility to conduct himself a certain way as part of his role here.
LGBT people have nothing to be ashamed of, they aren't in any way 'inappropriate,' bluegeek is wrong and he acted wrongly. An authority figure has no business saying things like that in a game that welcomes LGBT people, including LGBT young people.
The thing about indefensible things is that they can't be defended.
What's up with people thinking that anyone who does not support homosexuality is a black,jew, muslim hater lol?
I sense much stereotyping.
The irony of me being TRIBBLE and yet hating most other gays for that very reason... Of course it extends to all rights groups and then humanity in general. LOL
As a member of the LGBT community... Shut the hell up, Your an idiot.
I'm not really sure can can call yourself part of a community if you hate most of the members as you just said you hated most gays. Although I guess you could but it hurts your standing.
The irony of me being TRIBBLE and yet hating most other gays for that very reason... Of course it extends to all rights groups and then humanity in general. LOL
And people like that is why the few good people of each subculture/group get attacked. Thanks to the extremists in every group.
I'm not really sure can can call yourself part of a community if you hate most of the members as you just said you hated most gays. Although I guess you could but it hurts your standing.
I suppose, but as the fellow below you pointed out it's mostly the extremists I hate.
Ok, I'm confused. Are you and Nabreeki just saying this stuff to be contrary as usual, or are you actually serious for a change? Because I've seen you both write some really dead on right stuff on this topic that I agree with 100%, and it's kinda scaring me a little.
Could you maybe toss in something obnoxious and nonsensical just so my world makes sense again? :P
Druk and Nabreeki are trolls. They act like players of the people on the forum. Take anything they say with a grain of salt.
I finally got over my Klingon aversion to play the episode and...
It was badly written in so many different ways that the clumsy way the TRIBBLE couple was introduced (godawful thin characterization, undue attention to the fact that the mate is really super-aggressive) barely sticks out amongst all of the other things about the episode that were either badly written or illogical. And oh God the ground map on Dinassia...it burns my eyes.
Personally I came to the conclusion that STO was child-unfriendly a long time ago. A little time in zone chat, and observing some of the hypersexualized toons and the treatment of those with female toons, makes me uncomfortable with the idea of any son or daughter I might have seeing such behavior and thinking that's an okay way to treat people.
The thing here is, I don't think any of us know what conversations bluegeek has with his kids that none of us see. You assume he's some hate-filled, closed-minded Archie Bunker of an individual. Can you be so sure that he does not simply want to be the first one to introduce his children to LGBT concepts rather than hype-filled media on both sides? Also, how do you know how he treats his friends, his coworkers, and those around him? Or how he has dealt privately with individuals who are openly TRIBBLE? I have yet to see evidence of hate.
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I don think the couple would have been so controversial if B'erel' mate hadn't been so concrontational. While Klingons tend to be gruff and rough around the edges, she was insubordinate and appeared emotionally compromised. The dialouge made her seem to not have the team or the missions success in mind at all, she should have been replaced with a less compromised person once the teams beamed down.
I blame this on the writing. I am not saying she should have been Miss/Ms/Mrs Etiquette, but taking queues from her partner sould have been a good start. But the overt hostility and insubordinate attitude almost make a person not like or trust her at all.
The examples are given because the pattern of bigotry is the same. The hope is that somewhere on that list is something the person being talked to doesn't hate and supports the equality of and making the parallel might open their eyes to how much of a hateful **** they're being.
Even the way you term it, "support homosexuality"... really do you not understand what you're even saying? HOMOSEXUAL PEOPLE EXIST, whether you like it or not. People only "support" them to counter bull**** like yours that oppresses them. You and bluegeek are saying that they cannot merely exist as characters or be in public doing the same exact things heterosexuals do. You demand they be hidden away, as if you have the right to decide where and how they can show their face in public. How dare you.
They have the same rights as anyone else, and that includes to appear in fiction like any other sort of person. They have the right to hold hands or share a hug or kiss within the exact same restrictions as heterosexual people, no more and no less. **** your double standard.
That means if a straight couple can be portrayed as merely existing, so can a TRIBBLE couple. If one couple can kiss or declare their love, so can the other. If one can't strip down and have sex in the middle of the corridor, neither can. But if one can be shown in a bed waking up with the clear implication they had sex, so can the other. If one can be shown in a domestic situation demonstrating that they live together as a romantic and sexual couple, so can the other. Again, **** your double standard.
The double standard in and of itself is wrong, and enforcing it is oppressive to people. In fact, there's a word for exactly that kind of double standard, and it's called discrimination. If you demand things from TRIBBLE people in real life or in fiction that you do not for straights, you are discriminating against them. Stop it.
You don't need to "support homosexuality", you just need to leave them the **** alone.
All I see right now is another overreaction of yours. For some reason you think that we are trying to pretend they don't exist? I think you should take a break from the forum for a while.
They have the same rights as anyone else, and that includes to appear in fiction like any other sort of person. They have the right to hold hands or share a hug or kiss within the exact same restrictions as heterosexual people, no more and no less. **** your double standard.
That means if a straight couple can be portrayed as merely existing, so can a TRIBBLE couple. If one couple can kiss or declare their love, so can the other. If one can't strip down and have sex in the middle of the corridor, neither can. But if one can be shown in a bed waking up with the clear implication they had sex, so can the other. If one can be shown in a domestic situation demonstrating that they live together as a romantic and sexual couple, so can the other. Again, **** your double standard.
The double standard in and of itself is wrong, and enforcing it is oppressive to people. In fact, there's a word for exactly that kind of double standard, and it's called discrimination. If you demand things from TRIBBLE people in real life or in fiction that you do not for straights, you are discriminating against them. Stop it.
You don't need to "support homosexuality", you just need to leave them the **** alone.
The thing that gets me is this...if i were to say that i dont approve of PDA male-female what would you say? ok now instead of that i say i dont approve of male-male, female-female or transgender PDA what would you say? i'm guessing that you are a reasonable person and your reply to either might be the same. Its the PDA that i have a problem with, not that its M-F, F-F, M-M or X-X. But are there people out there who would say OMG you dont approve of LGBT PDA?! what is the matter with you thats racist!!! I think that in SWTOR the M+F romances were clumsy but if i were to say that F+F or M+M or romances are clumsy and my reasons why...will people dismiss my reasoning and just assume that i'm anti-LGBT?
Those are the f**king people that i cannot stand...
Lol at the people claiming Bluegeek is spouting racial hate just by saying he does not wish to expose his children to black people and that he disagrees with their inclusion.
Changing the subject to some other type of bigotry is a good way to assess one's statements. This is why the outrage over the inclusion of TRIBBLE people, especially after the prescient had already been set, is nothing but thinly veiled bigotry. The idea that a parent, ostensibly knowing the kind of nonsense spewed in ESD zone chat, would be offended by a TRIBBLE couple and had they not "forced it down their throats" would allow their children to play the game, is utterly bizarre at best. I submit that such a parent would be failing to protect their child from all the threats MMOs inherently poses.
It's funny, people scream "Intolerant!" at someone if they disagree with them politely, the same as if they said something offensive. They claim to be all about equality and tolerance for everyone, yet here we have intolerance and attacks occurring on those who disagree with a lifestyle. The Hypocrisy is no surprise.
I recall no one asking for tolerance besides Trendy. I would never demand anyone accept my worldview. People were expressing opinions on the topic. Those demanding silence on a given subject are the ones asking for tolerance. Pacemakers, saying that keeping quiet is the best answer for a nice society, have led to the decline in civil discourse in civil society.
I have far more respect for a person expressing a position they feel passionately about than I do a person who stays quiet. But most people, who can't handle hearing opposing views claim the other side is intolerant.
I'm pretty liberal, but I think the PC and tolerate everyone's views movements are garbage. People need to put their big girl/boy pants on and be ready to defend their positions if they put them out there publicly.
This is pretty much textbook definition of reaching for the low-hanging fruit. Instead of Massively undertaking a sincere effort to report on the real issues STO is dealing with lately and putting the spotlight on controversial business practices or things like retiring the Lohlunat Pearls and Summer Event ships... and the steps Stephen Ricossa has taken to try to help the community.
... no, we go right to the extreme non-story of a few mentally ill people getting their knickers in a twist over a superficial story detail on an NPC couple who has been in the game for years -- but nobody cares to remember "Spin the Wheel".
I'd say Massively is yellow journalism, but that'd be insulting to yellow journalism.
They're just another clickbait site where all they care about is how many SJWs can click and get fake outraged over non-issues in video games.
repetitiveepic and nabreeki might be reminding people of how insane they are on the STO forums, but that doesn't mean that they're wrong. Try going after their arguments instead of their characters.
Look at the problems we deal with in STO... and this is what we consider "news". This is the reason the game is in the state it is in.
We really get the game we deserve. We have the potential to start fires on the STO forums over real issues the game has, but when we waste that energy on this tripe? It says more about the STO forums than it does anything Cryptic could ever hope to do.
Changing the subject to some other type of bigotry is a good way to assess one's statements. This is why the outrage over the inclusion of TRIBBLE people, especially after the prescient had already been set, is nothing but thinly veiled bigotry. The idea that a parent, ostensibly knowing the kind of nonsense spewed in ESD zone chat, would be offended by a TRIBBLE couple and had they not "forced it down their throats" would allow their children to play the game, is utterly bizarre at best. I submit that such a parent world be failing to protect their child from all the threats MMOs inherently poses.
I recall no one asking for tolerance besides Trendy. I would never demand anyone accept my worldview. People were expressing opinions on the topic. Those demanding silence on a given subject are the ones asking for tolerance. Pacemakers, saying that keeping quiet is the best answer for a nice society, have led to the decline in civil discourse in civil society.
I have far more respect for a person expressing a position they feel passionately about than I do a person who stays quiet. But most people, who can't handle hearing opposing views claim the other side is intolerant.
I'm pretty liberal, but I think the PC and tolerate everyone's views movements are garbage. People need to put their big girl/boy pants on and be ready to defend their positions of they put them out there publicly.
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They'll figure it out somehow! 😂
In my experience parents generally do a pretty good job of preparing their kids for the world. But nothing is ever perfect... *shrug*
I grew up thinking I was weird and wrong for having different feeling than what was perceived to be normal for my gender because no one took the time to explain to me that i was different and it was okay to be different. I hid these facts about myself for most of my life because i was scared and afraid of being the next Mathew Sheppard. And this goes back as far as I can remember in my childhood. I could have really used some knowledge back then besides from the common "TRIBBLE going to hell" bit. If being a homosexual is an adult thing then just why have I been this way my whole entire life?
Technically yes, but that's like skipping an episode of a TV series. You miss a lot of important stuff. You know actually important story stuff, not an overstereotyped bull-TRIBBLE and her b*tch. :rolleyes:
Which was perhaps the most offensive LGBT portrayal I've ever witnessed.
Your the exception to the rule. Some kids may need extra guidance, that's up to the parents to figure out.
It's funny, people scream "Intolerant!" at someone if they disagree with them politely, the same as if they said something offensive. They claim to be all about equality and tolerance for everyone, yet here we have intolerance and attacks occurring on those who disagree with a lifestyle. The Hypocrisy is no surprise.
^Standard case right here. If he believes it is not appropriate for young children, that is his right. You can claim all your "Oh this is TRIBBLE bashing" nonsense all you want. Where's your tolerance now?
What does beyond the pale mean?
With as crappy as that overall story was, people are getting pent up on having their characters/their childrens characters "interact" with TRIBBLE klingons for all of 15 seconds?
You people probably get all Pre-K, "Ewww" when you see PDA's as well, huh?
Holy Fuggballz...
The irony of me being TRIBBLE and yet hating most other gays for that very reason... Of course it extends to all rights groups and then humanity in general. LOL
people will agree or disagree but this guy has a point about pushing for acceptance from all.
__________
Cause like many many many years ago when black people had no equal rights many many people acted like you are now.
until people like myself pushed for a change most notably "Martin Luther King" this forced people to then move things forward into political and social environments to force people to accept change.
ring any bells.
you can not advocate for change without upsetting a few people who will not accept liability for their actions against said change.
being in your face about certain issues and pushing those issues out in the wider community and making people see will not bring about change.
so ok you don't like it but get used to this issue being brought up over and over in and around your daily life cause it's not going away and needs to be pushed into the faces of the narrow mined and uneducated to make people realise and learn that LGBT people deserve equality the same rights the hetrosexuals have had for decades.
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What's up with people thinking that anyone who does not support homosexuality is a black,jew, muslim hater lol?
I sense much stereotyping.
Trendy is tired.
I'm not really sure can can call yourself part of a community if you hate most of the members as you just said you hated most gays. Although I guess you could but it hurts your standing.
And people like that is why the few good people of each subculture/group get attacked. Thanks to the extremists in every group.
It surprised me how most groups do seem to have extremists in them.
I suppose, but as the fellow below you pointed out it's mostly the extremists I hate.
Druk and Nabreeki are trolls. They act like players of the people on the forum. Take anything they say with a grain of salt.
It really shouldn't, extremism of some sort is human nature.
It was badly written in so many different ways that the clumsy way the TRIBBLE couple was introduced (godawful thin characterization, undue attention to the fact that the mate is really super-aggressive) barely sticks out amongst all of the other things about the episode that were either badly written or illogical. And oh God the ground map on Dinassia...it burns my eyes.
Personally I came to the conclusion that STO was child-unfriendly a long time ago. A little time in zone chat, and observing some of the hypersexualized toons and the treatment of those with female toons, makes me uncomfortable with the idea of any son or daughter I might have seeing such behavior and thinking that's an okay way to treat people.
The thing here is, I don't think any of us know what conversations bluegeek has with his kids that none of us see. You assume he's some hate-filled, closed-minded Archie Bunker of an individual. Can you be so sure that he does not simply want to be the first one to introduce his children to LGBT concepts rather than hype-filled media on both sides? Also, how do you know how he treats his friends, his coworkers, and those around him? Or how he has dealt privately with individuals who are openly TRIBBLE? I have yet to see evidence of hate.
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This. People are insane.
Seconded. Anything related to Dental should be burned out of existence.
So I wasn't the only person rooting for Lex Luther to blow up the planet in Superman? 😂
Am I evil if I wanted Smaug to win in the Hobbit movies?
I blame this on the writing. I am not saying she should have been Miss/Ms/Mrs Etiquette, but taking queues from her partner sould have been a good start. But the overt hostility and insubordinate attitude almost make a person not like or trust her at all.
All I see right now is another overreaction of yours. For some reason you think that we are trying to pretend they don't exist? I think you should take a break from the forum for a while.
Probably not. The movies suck. Watch this instead to find your answer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTz4-1cVW2U
The thing that gets me is this...if i were to say that i dont approve of PDA male-female what would you say? ok now instead of that i say i dont approve of male-male, female-female or transgender PDA what would you say? i'm guessing that you are a reasonable person and your reply to either might be the same. Its the PDA that i have a problem with, not that its M-F, F-F, M-M or X-X. But are there people out there who would say OMG you dont approve of LGBT PDA?! what is the matter with you thats racist!!! I think that in SWTOR the M+F romances were clumsy but if i were to say that F+F or M+M or romances are clumsy and my reasons why...will people dismiss my reasoning and just assume that i'm anti-LGBT?
Those are the f**king people that i cannot stand...
Changing the subject to some other type of bigotry is a good way to assess one's statements. This is why the outrage over the inclusion of TRIBBLE people, especially after the prescient had already been set, is nothing but thinly veiled bigotry. The idea that a parent, ostensibly knowing the kind of nonsense spewed in ESD zone chat, would be offended by a TRIBBLE couple and had they not "forced it down their throats" would allow their children to play the game, is utterly bizarre at best. I submit that such a parent would be failing to protect their child from all the threats MMOs inherently poses.
I recall no one asking for tolerance besides Trendy. I would never demand anyone accept my worldview. People were expressing opinions on the topic. Those demanding silence on a given subject are the ones asking for tolerance. Pacemakers, saying that keeping quiet is the best answer for a nice society, have led to the decline in civil discourse in civil society.
I have far more respect for a person expressing a position they feel passionately about than I do a person who stays quiet. But most people, who can't handle hearing opposing views claim the other side is intolerant.
I'm pretty liberal, but I think the PC and tolerate everyone's views movements are garbage. People need to put their big girl/boy pants on and be ready to defend their positions if they put them out there publicly.
... no, we go right to the extreme non-story of a few mentally ill people getting their knickers in a twist over a superficial story detail on an NPC couple who has been in the game for years -- but nobody cares to remember "Spin the Wheel".
I'd say Massively is yellow journalism, but that'd be insulting to yellow journalism.
They're just another clickbait site where all they care about is how many SJWs can click and get fake outraged over non-issues in video games.
repetitiveepic and nabreeki might be reminding people of how insane they are on the STO forums, but that doesn't mean that they're wrong. Try going after their arguments instead of their characters.
Look at the problems we deal with in STO... and this is what we consider "news". This is the reason the game is in the state it is in.
We really get the game we deserve. We have the potential to start fires on the STO forums over real issues the game has, but when we waste that energy on this tripe? It says more about the STO forums than it does anything Cryptic could ever hope to do.