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My problem with The Herald Sphere
shinnok918
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the other day a player in one of the fleets im in asked why nobody ever plays Herald Sphere advanced/elite. I had a real quick answer for him: rewards. I played herald sphere normal 2x to get the hang of it. the rewards for the time and effort involved SUCKED. but hey, its normal. the rewards are supposed to suck. after run number 2 with no issues I decided it was time for joining the big boys in advanced. ive got a good ship.
one advanced run: it was successful. we accomplished everything and I got the reward pack. guess what: IT STILL SUCKED!! I decided at that point the rewards for Herald Sphere were not worth the time and effort involved and swore it off. Haven't been there since.
one advanced run: it was successful. we accomplished everything and I got the reward pack. guess what: IT STILL SUCKED!! I decided at that point the rewards for Herald Sphere were not worth the time and effort involved and swore it off. Haven't been there since.
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rewards have been a hot topic for months now.
And Ive seen every complaint in the book for it lol
Simple fact is the rewards will continue to suck until something changes. So my bet is 2020.
you know, the year when the devs realise players arent having as much fun as they used to.
actually scratch that they'll probably throw a party and claim victory. you cant have fun in STO.
its illegal.
All of it is less then what I remember of 2013, only dili has become more common of a reward.
I wasn't talking about ''leveling'' a reputation bar, but more comparing the rewards to the cost of actually getting gear from seven reputation bars.
Oh, and that spread over 8 characters.
In SWTOR doing the Shadow of Revan Expansion it took me over 100 hours to get my character from level 55 to level 60, then get all my Companions' Gear to 196, and then re-run all the Raids to get level 60 198 Gear for my character - and half of the Companion Gear could only be earned 1 piece per week.
And then I had to do it all over again for all 8 Character Classes - but having all 8 character classes is my choice. That is not the game's fault.
I understand the want for immediate gratification but it was not that long ago in gaming that people would run Raids in WoW for months to get complete sets of Gear - and often would buy pieces on eBay that they never could earn via the Raids.
MMO gaming is a long-haul project. Not a hop-over helicopter flight from Manhattan to Atlantic City.
who said anything about immediate gratification? im talking the efficiency for mark earning. nothing else. not dil, not trying to get the next hot piece of equipment. im talking time investment to mark return. herald sphere simply doesn't have it. GGA and BotSE are MUCH more efficient in that regard.
Just because that -massive- grind is off putting to some people, like me, does not mean I suffer from ''immediate gratification'', for me it's very simple, I look at what was before the Reputation stuff, particularly with Omega stuff, and then I concluded they made it about 10x slower and a hundred times more expensive.
And that times 7 bars, I find that off putting, if you don't, more glory to you, but I see it the way I see it.
For that purpose any activity MUST reward appropriate to be played. Some contend surely qualifies for fun or challenge and will still be run, but if the reward is just off the said maps will look at a short live.
I think with Herald Sphere we look at such a case. I dont bother with it when I can get my rewards for char progression at other locations 5 times more efficiently.
Those few times I did it I did it for fun and because it was new. Well.. what shall I say, its not new anymore and tell you what not that fun. Whats the main call their? Burn enemy hull hit points in a predefined timeframe or fail? Sorry but thats as old as Hive.
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Personally I rarely do queues for rewards. The reward is the fun of doing it.
The Herald Sphere is not fun. How many times do we have to load a new map? And we're just running around a killing things? No thanks.
I guess it boils down to, do you run those two missions on a queue that takes "a" minutes to run or "a*2" minutes to run, for the exact same reward, especially when the first mission isn't nearly as annoying. It's why you almost never see the dyson and voth queues pop, everyone would rather have more fun running the battlegrounds, for better rewards, and why Cryptic felt the need to nerf rewards thar weren't queues to bring people back to the queues.
People have conditioned themselves to only doing the easy Content here. That is the mentality which needs to be changed so that other Content can see some use.
I'm pretty sure Cryptic did that.
Pre-Reputation Borg STFs had specific parts drop from specific STFs, thus if you wanted for example a full Mk XII Omega set, you knew you needed something from just about every STF.
Now it's very simple, a matter of which mission gives the most marks -and- is also the shortest mission to get done.
I am not caring about specific Gear rewards, because the good stuff generally comes from Rep and Fleet Stores, anyway.
because one thing escapes cryptic: the basic common sense that says "why not *gasp* increase the queue rewards and make it seem worth it again?"
Oh my hell... this a billion times.
The problem aren't the rewards, the problem is that it's not fun at all. There's really no strategy to it and it involves just circling around mashing spacebar.
I'm sure someone worked hard on the map and such for it and that's great. The mission itself just needs to be retooled to have some better objectives than just blowing stuff up. Even the part where you are supposed to close the rifts to power down the dreadnought at the end isn't really required (and is impossible to do in a PUG anyway).
I'm not not doing it because the rewards suck. I'm not doing it because it's boring.