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Why no Advanced Radiant AP Dual Beam Bank

x1c3c0ldxx1c3c0ldx Member Posts: 77 Arc User
edited May 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
- Advanced Radiant Antiproton Directed Energy Weapons Mk XII

As the title suggests, Why is there a dual heavy cannon and a beam variant but no Dual Beam Bank in the Iconian reputation? (not referring to the rep store DBB)
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I don't understand why there aren't all types for all weapons. It really irks me that you cannot have full sets of certain kinds.
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  • x1c3c0ldxx1c3c0ldx Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Exactly, I run a dbb setup I cannot put a beam or a cannon
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  • happyhappyj0yj0yhappyhappyj0yj0y Member Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Why aren't there 360° Omni-Directional Romulan Plasma Arrays?

    I'm going to guess it's because Cryptic hates us all with a fiery passion.
  • guilli88guilli88 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    It's because they do the bare minimum of effort to get their paychecks every month.

    There is no logical reason what so ever other than that it's a conscious business decision not to put resources into structured game design.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    There are ZERO Space Weapon+Console Sets that offer Advanced Weapons to fully flesh out a selection.

    Nukara Weapon Set? - NO
    Counter-Command Set? - NO
    Dyson Weapon Set? - LOL NO!
    Omega Weapon Set? - NO
    Delta Weapon Set? - NO
    Romulan Weapon Set? - NO
    And now...
    Iconian Rep Weapon Set? - NO
    Resonant Disruptor/Transphasic Set? - NO
    And for the sake of being a completionist, let's include:
    Elachi Weapon Set? - NO

    And you guys just realize this now? And this surprises you all?
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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    x1c3c0ldx wrote: »
    - Advanced Radiant Antiproton Directed Energy Weapons Mk XII

    As the title suggests, Why is there a dual heavy cannon and a beam variant but no Dual Beam Bank in the Iconian reputation? (not referring to the rep store DBB)
    I had a purple drop in rep box yesterday.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    I had a purple drop in rep box yesterday.

    But it's not an Advanced version like other examples found in various reputation projects.
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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    But it's not an Advanced version like other examples found in various reputation projects.

    Ah my bad mis read your post sorry
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  • millimidgetmillimidget Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    @OP: You probably won't get them to include one with this set. Make a case for them to design the next weapons set to include BA, DHC, and DBB as options.
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  • aesicaaesica Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    the worst one is Dyson being a energy photon that is entirely self-contained within itself and thus problematic
    The dyson one may be strange in that regard, but it makes up for that by offering the most unique weapon of all--something that can act as a beam for beam users and a cannon for cannon users. I'd like to see them explore things like this a bit more.
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  • caylenrcaylenr Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    guilli88 wrote: »
    It's because they do the bare minimum of effort to get their paychecks every month.

    There is no logical reason what so ever other than that it's a conscious business decision not to put resources into structured game design.

    Wait. Is it because of a business reason you don't understand, or because they're lazy?

    Oh, you're just whining? Carry on then.
  • darkknightucfdarkknightucf Member Posts: 1,546 Media Corps
    edited May 2015
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    I had a purple drop in rep box yesterday.

    I had 3 DBB's from the rep boxes:
    2x critDx2
    1x critDx3

    The game is trying to tell me something. I'm not listening ;).

    To the OP's point, yes, it is a bit unusual that they'd make an offering for an array and a DHC, but not a DBB or a DC or SC, probably to simplify development time >*imho*< (inside joke for Bort).
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The major reason, is so that you are limited on how to achieve the 3pc. - 4pc. set bonus, than they expect you in most [not all, because omega doesn't offer non-advanced space weapons] cases, to use dilithium to purchase the rep store energy weapons to compensate and/or find matching energy type elsewhere.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    It all depends on what you want: DPS or set bonuses. You gotta sacrifice one for the other guys. In a perfect MMORPG, the sets would give optimum DPS no matter which type of item they feature.But we're not there yet.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    shadowwraith77 wrote: »
    The major reason, is so that you are limited on how to achieve the 3pc. - 4pc. set bonus, than they expect you in most [not all, because omega doesn't offer non-advanced space weapons] cases, to use dilithium to purchase the rep store energy weapons to compensate and/or find matching energy type elsewhere.

    I think there might be a misunderstanding around here. From what I understand in the OP's post, is the lack of Advanced rep weapon selections for a set. Like Advanced Radiant weapon options have no DBB option, as per the OP. And one can say the same about Turret, Single Cannon, etc.

    But I also understand where you're coming from in your concern. And for that, I'd say the system set bonus would only count 1 of them. Hell, if there's multiple advanced energy weapon options in the same weapon set already, it only allows you to equip 1 anyways. Example:

    Delta Weapon Set has BA, DHC Advanced Thoron options. It only allows you to equip 1 at any given time.

    Now, *IF* there were more Advanced Thoron energy weapons, i.e. DBB, Turret, etc. available, the system would still allow you to equip only 1 of them. So it's still balanced but gives the player options.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    edited May 2015
    Generally, weapon set bonuses are trying to force you OUT of fully optimized single weapon builds towards using a mix of cannons/beams/torpedos. The set bonus is compensation for the inefficiency of mixed weapons or they're at least trying to force a choice between mixing weapons and a set bonus.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    It is alright if you cannot slot 10 advanced weapons, that's not the point the OP made (I think). It is okay that you have three "advanced" weapons (console, energy, torp) and use the rest of the rep weapons to complete the weapon outfit.

    But why are the advanced weapons limited to obscure (completely metagame-tailored) choices of BA and DHC? It is like the devs know how ****ed up everything is but they don't even want to include more variety. The advanced energy weapons should come in all weapon types and, arguably, a choice of torps would also be neat. But in the end you should be limited to one energy, one torp and the console, of course.

    Also, I don't understand the reluctance to supply omni beams. They should have just made them regular beam turrets in the first place, never understood why we don't have that option.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    x1c3c0ldx wrote: »
    As the title suggests, Why is there a dual heavy cannon and a beam variant but no Dual Beam Bank in the Iconian reputation?

    Because the last thing this game needs is more OP AP. :P
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    edited May 2015
    angrytarg wrote: »
    It is alright if you cannot slot 10 advanced weapons, that's not the point the OP made (I think). It is okay that you have three "advanced" weapons (console, energy, torp) and use the rest of the rep weapons to complete the weapon outfit.

    But why are the advanced weapons limited to obscure (completely metagame-tailored) choices of BA and DHC? It is like the devs know how ****ed up everything is but they don't even want to include more variety. The advanced energy weapons should come in all weapon types and, arguably, a choice of torps would also be neat. But in the end you should be limited to one energy, one torp and the console, of course.

    Also, I don't understand the reluctance to supply omni beams. They should have just made them regular beam turrets in the first place, never understood why we don't have that option.

    Because they're using item sets to force you to change your playstyle.

    The whole point is to compensate you with a set bonus in exchange for forcing you to play a non-optimized metagame.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The only reason the set even has two choices for energy weapon is the fact that some ships can't be equipped with dual cannons.

    The alternative is intended to allow all ships to use the set, not fit the metagame.

    Sets that don't feature a dual cannon don't have a choice at all.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,891 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I'm sure there are bound to be more AP sets...heck maybe even a Heralds based AP set...do we really need all the sets at once?

    I mean things are really out of hand enough already...

    Besides...the two sets with with a DBB both kinda flopped...and we know how they love to ignore something that they design to suck and it flops :P
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