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Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film As 'Fun, Watchable'
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Yes well I thought I'd pull this gem out again...
From: http://www.theonion.com/video/trekkies-bash-new-star-trek-film-as-fun-watchable,14333/
Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film As 'Fun, Watchable'
Long time fans of the Star Trek franchise say JJ Abrams' enjoyable, engaging prequel betrays what Star Trek is all about.
http://www.theonion.com/video/trekkies-bash-new-star-trek-film-as-fun-watchable,14333/
From: http://www.theonion.com/video/trekkies-bash-new-star-trek-film-as-fun-watchable,14333/
Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film As 'Fun, Watchable'
Long time fans of the Star Trek franchise say JJ Abrams' enjoyable, engaging prequel betrays what Star Trek is all about.
http://www.theonion.com/video/trekkies-bash-new-star-trek-film-as-fun-watchable,14333/
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I always loved that article. JJ Abrams Derangement Syndrome is pretty strong in the STO forums (and in game).
Um you realize the Onion piece itself was from just before the 2009 Star Trek film was released right? Welcome to 6 years ago. (That said, I like BOTH Abrams films myself.)
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I enjoyed both outings of JJTrek. A lot. This does not make me a heretic or a blasphemer nor any of the other nasty words alleged Star Trek fans attempt to tag me with.
There are a lot of things I dislike very much about TNG, DS9, VOY & ENT. I usually keep them to myself because some people enjoy these parts of Star Trek a great deal more than I do.
Doing so is called 'courtesy' or 'good manners'. Both of which are closely tied to another word which is now apparently foreign to alleged Star Trek fans - 'respect'.
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Do they deserve the amount of shrieking bile and resentment they receive in these forums? Hell, no.
They're good entertainment, and a decent enough stab at re-imagining the Trek universe. There are things wrong with them, sure. There are also a number of things right with them, which fact is not sufficiently appreciated around here. Neither film is as stupefyingly dull as Star Trek: The Motion Picture or Insurrection, or as relentlessly naff as Final Frontier or Nemesis, so that's something they've got going for them. (In my opinion. I'm scarcely going to waste my time typing out anyone else's opinion, am I?)
This. My only problem with Star Trek 2009 is that I hate reboots in general. It just seems like the writers are phoning it in rather than trying to create something new and interesting.
STID destroys any future JJ Star Trek movie with interstellar transporters and magic blood. There is absolutely no point for any Starfleet ships to exist in the next movie. Why use a ship when you can just beam to the next planet? Magic blood destroys the drama. There is no point in worrying about someone dying when they can just be saved by magic blood.
Considering how Star Trek 3 seems to be shaping up to be a rehash of Search for Spock, I'm gonna guess the magic blood is fatal to non Khan humans and [Insert anti-proton radiation here] will prevent site to site transporters from being effectual.
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Given that a similar technology existed in the prime time transporters, I find that critique baseless. In TNG Bloodlines, DS9 Jem'Hadar, VOY Prime Factors, and ENT Daedalus all featured transporters doing the same thing as a transwarp transporter.
But they are star trek in another universe totally separate from the Prime trek universe
just like the series enterprise is separate in another universe/timeline
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Discounted by the data found by mirror Archer aboard the USS Defiant, which originated from the 23rd Century and clearly places Enterprise as taking place in the same universe/timeline as TOS. Same goes for the finale, which had Riker and Troi from TNG. Granted the finale could have been handled better, but it did tie in to the episode of TNG with the Pegasus. Also the episode Regeneration, which dealt with the fallout that came with the destruction of the Borg Sphere orbiting Earth in 2063 that the Enterprise-E destroyed in First Contact.
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So Archer forgot to record his experiences about the Borg or his report got lost somehow so the 24th Century Starfleet had no recollection of cybernetic aliens, detailed scans about them, and how to defeat them? An alternate timeline makes far more sense than this.
("On display?" Arthur hooted. "On display? I eventually had to go down the basement!"
"That's our display department."
"With a torch!"
"Ah, well, the lights had probably gone."
"So," Arthur said levelly, "had the stairs."
"But look, you did find it eventually, didn't you?"
"Find it?" Arther replied savagely. "Oh, yes, I found it all right. It was 'on display' in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'!")
So, here's an idle question; how much do you think the US Navy knows about what went on on a day-to-day basis in the US Navy in the 1700s? Oh, they can look up information on important battles and stuff, but how many captain's logs and mission parameters and after-action reports and stuff do you think survives?
Seriously, I'm surprised I have to keep bringing this up. Enterprise happened a long time before Picard's era.
I totally bring up the same thing with regards to the Xindi attack on Earth, too. How often do you talk about the War of Spanish Succession or the War of the Quadruple Alliance or the Seven Years' War or the French and Indian War in your day-to-day life? Hell, I bet you didn't even know that the last two are the same war until I just told you that right now. And now you have wrong information because I'm lying to illustrate a point - except if you believe that then you'll still have wrong information because I'm not lying, they are the same war. Just go to Wikipedia and look it up.
The point is you don't know, despite all of those wars being hugely important in the 1700s and their effects can still be felt in America and Europe today. But you don't talk about them. Ever.
This is leaving aside the fact that it's not like the Federation hasn't encountered cyborgs prior to the Borg. Sorting out one distinct cyborg species out of God knows how many encountered over 200+ years of space travel is an exercise in futility.
For all we know the crew of D DID liken the Borg to the cyborgs encountered by the NX-01, but had limited data on the event at best, gained nothing new on returning to Earth and trying to track down a 200+ year old report lost in an interstellar bureaucracy, and gained nothing useful from what they DID find out, so we (the audience) don't see the scene because it's entirely superfluous.
I personally did watch the 2009 film and I did not like it, not only as a new Star Trek movie but as a film in general I felt it didn't offer much for me and pretty much had everything "modern films" had at this time which I don't like (visualisation, pacing, juvenile humour (the "Kirk gets an allergic reaction" part was painful to watch) and a rather boring storyline). So to me it is just not a very good film, it doesn't mean that I have to hate about it 6 years later. It doesn't in any way shape or form influence what I like about Star Trek, just like no random novel or videogame changes anything about it.
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And how does looking up something from the 18th Century in the 21st Century relate to looking up something from the 22nd Century in the 24th Century? The 22nd Century has computers far better than anything we have right now. So if I am in the 24th Century and interested in the scores for all the World Series in the 22nd Century and what happened in each of them, then it is a simple matter of getting that information. All it takes to figure out the Borg had an encounter with Earth is looking up all known instances of cybernetic aliens and matching them to the scans that the Enterprise-D took. The simple fact is that there was no Borg Sphere during First Contact the first time around or someone was incompetent at their job.
It is possible that Section 31 had it roots in First Contact and deleted the footage, but if Section 31's whole purpose was to defend against the Borg and similar threats, then they weren't doing their job properly with the Earth being that close to assimilation.
Unrelated note: Please stop bringin S31 up for *everything* that doesn't add up in Trek lore which is mostly due to obvious out-of-universe reasons. You could as well say "Iconians" every time something fishy happens... oh wait XD
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If you're going to go with that logic - EVERYTHING in the Star Trek Franchise that occurred onscreen after the TNG feature film "Star Trek: First Contact" was in a different continuity/universe as well as THAT was the genesis of the Borg wreckage found in the ENT episode "Regeneration". I guess when Data recreated the Borg Time Warp portal, his calculations were a bit off and the 1701-E entered a different timeline/universe, eh? :eek::D;)
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The Delta Recruits and the temporal shenanigans are having a widespread effect.
Personally, after the TNG films...I probably would have been happy with a Mr. Peabody Star Trek film. As standalone films, if I forget the Star Trek angle...they were pretty decent action/adventure films. I'm just not sure how much Nemesis being so bad influenced my giving them a chance...one of those, anything has to be better than Nemesis. But then again, went from the /facepalm of Insurrection to the /facedesk of Nemesis...oh well.
Do have to say, I dug the opening sequence of the 2009 film...but imho, it kind of ruined the rest of the movie, cause it just couldn't match up to it. The second film didn't have that problem.
Technically, every time someone time travels starting with TOS creates an alternative timeline, so you can always reason that something takes place in an alternate timeline (not universe) and nobody could say your argument isn't valid.
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nice try, but ive made my case over the years and thats the end of it with these films.
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Section 31's purpose at its inception. Again, 200 years is a long time for stuff to get lost or deemed unimportant anymore and deleted.
Star Trek: Into Darkness - Awful, completely lame ripoff of another (already well-done the first time) Trek movie that has already been ripped off before. Wait, what if we make Kirk die and Spock yell? What a twist. It was like they just took all the TRIBBLE that made people think of Star Trek and threw it in the movie, regardless of whether or not it fit.
"My name is....Khan."
"Yeah? So? My name is Kirk. That's Spock over there. The doctor's name is McCoy, did we miss anyone? Are we all introduced now? Great, who gives a s#!t what your name is, guy-in-glass-case. I'm gonna call you Loki, just because."
You know, I actually did a very dark turn on the "magic blood" and rapid healing in a fanfic I wrote with a female version of Khan. The rapid healing both made the cosmetic surgery forced on her painful (her system cleared the anesthesia too fast at one point and she woke up under the knife...er laser) and also made her unable to know for sure later on, if Admiral Marcus had taken advantage of her in any other way while she was unconscious. Which Augment or not, was a horrid prospect to turn over in her mind.
So at least personally, I don't outright dismiss even a concept like this that seems totally outlandish if I can find realistic implications that make it imperfect and create tension, and make you wonder if you would really like to be that way or not.
JJ would have done well, if he still wanted to use the concept, to do it in a more well-rounded way like that (not those exact ideas necessarily). But unlike, say, Insurrection, there was enough in Into Darkness that I wanted to explore that universe more and address inconsistencies and weak points. For me, the worse sin is to make me not care.
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