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  • gl2814egl2814e Member Posts: 328 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    kamuii2 wrote: »
    I could care less about the console slots. I was more interested in the uni console which is a waste now too cause it is ship locked. Not gonna be buyig this one simply cause I cant stand the new strat cryptic is doing with c store ship consoles.

    Consoles at T5 & up being locked to individual vessels is not new.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but Cryptic has had T5 & up locked ship consoles since T5 C-Store ships came out.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    If you can't get good DPS out of a Cruiser with 3 Tac Consoles.. then the problem is you.

    Learn to build a ship and you'll be fine. I get plenty DPS out of both the Guardian Cruiser and the Geneva, both have 3 Tac Consoles and both can DPS on par with my Presidio (4 Tac Consoles.)

    Instead of blaming Cryptic for not catering to your shortcomings as a player, spend a little time on Build Sites and learn how to maximize the capabilities of the ship you want.
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  • rosetyler51rosetyler51 Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    if You Can't Get Good Dps Out Of A Cruiser With 3 Tac Consoles.. Then The Problem Is You.

    Learn To Build A Ship And You'll Be Fine. I Get Plenty Dps Out Of Both The Guardian Cruiser And The Geneva, Both Have 3 Tac Consoles And Both Can Dps On Par With My Presidio (4 Tac Consoles.)

    Instead Of Blaming Cryptic For Not Catering To Your Shortcomings As A Player, Spend A Little Time On Build Sites And Learn How To Maximize The Capabilities Of The Ship You Want.

    But That Is Too Hard! :p:p:p
  • imruinedimruined Member Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    If you can't get good DPS out of a Cruiser with 3 Tac Consoles.. then the problem is you.

    Learn to build a ship and you'll be fine. I get plenty DPS out of both the Guardian Cruiser and the Geneva, both have 3 Tac Consoles and both can DPS on par with my Presidio (4 Tac Consoles.)

    Instead of blaming Cryptic for not catering to your shortcomings as a player, spend a little time on Build Sites and learn how to maximize the capabilities of the ship you want.

    But the problem's never the mechanic... It's always his shoddy tools! What are you thinking by sharing this logic!
    The entitlement is strong in these forums...

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  • originalshakkaroriginalshakkar Member Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Do you think everyone who doesn't buy this ship is incompetent? The recent set of comments would imply so.

    A build that works fine for a three tac console ship will still do more damage if it had four.

    It's not a question of whether the ship is viable. It's a question of is it better than what they sold us a month ago? The answer to that is no. It's not like I've played the other new ships so long that I just have to go play a galaxy again because I'm so bored. If the ship was better in some meaningful way than what I'm flying, I'd buy it in a second. My build is fine, thanks. I am a good teammate in challenging content, but I would be less so if I chose my gear or ship based on looks.

    Viable /= worth $30.
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  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Sometimes I swear people would fly a featureless whitebox and pay the equivalent of 100 lockbox keys for it if it had the best stats in game.
    Does anyone play this game for the Star in Trek anymore?:rolleyes:
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2015
    timelord79 wrote: »
    Sometimes I swear people would fly a featureless whitebox and pay the equivalent of 100 lockbox keys for it if it had the best stats in game.
    Does anyone play this game for the Star in Trek anymore?:rolleyes:

    The loudest bunch unfortunately, are the ones who play for getting more DPS and nothing more, even when it was proved today you could get 13K DPS from pets alone, lol. Breezing through every PvE in the game seems to be more important than actually enjoying the ship you fly for a lot of people.

    Frankly, I looked at the screenshots from the ship, and it looks absolutely amazing, but I'm more of a fan of science ships and I don't need that trait, so I'll skip it like I do most things.
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    timelord79 wrote: »
    Does anyone play this game for the Star in Trek anymore?:rolleyes:

    Probably a few. They've just mostly learned to keep their mouths shut because nobody at Cryptic is listening and getting shouted down for disagreeing with the current DPS dogma gets tiresome.

    Personally I'm just disappointed with this release. On a financial level its insulting, $35 more for a ship people already have with one more boff station, and the whole 're-buy what you already bought once' is just idiotic to me. Stat wise, its good that the Klingons get something new, though maybe it should have used the Guardian's layout since otherwise its already inferior to the existing Qib or Command cruisers and doesn't really fill any gaps. For the Roms, the DD's great strength before was that it was decent at everything without being the king of anything, one of the most flexible ships in the catalog and so this isn't much change from before (though not much improvement either).

    For the Galaxy though, instead of keeping it as a tank and support ship, something that made it unique, they just turned it into yet another FAW platform almost identical to the Eclipse, as if the game doesn't have enough of those already. I honestly would have been happier (relatively) with what the loudest voices would consider a 'weaker' Gal-6, LtCmdr Sci Lt Tac Ens Uni, or Lt Tac Lt Sci Lt Uni, and such a layout would thematically probably fit TNG better. Instead its now just another DS9/JJ-Trek blow-stuff-up boat. Disappointing.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Do you think everyone who doesn't buy this ship is incompetent? The recent set of comments would imply so.

    A build that works fine for a three tac console ship will still do more damage if it had four.

    It's not a question of whether the ship is viable. It's a question of is it better than what they sold us a month ago? The answer to that is no. It's not like I've played the other new ships so long that I just have to go play a galaxy again because I'm so bored. If the ship was better in some meaningful way than what I'm flying, I'd buy it in a second. My build is fine, thanks. I am a good teammate in challenging content, but I would be less so if I chose my gear or ship based on looks.

    Viable /= worth $30.


    This ship is not marketed to replace every ship in the game up to this point. It's not a 'be all, end all' ship.. that doesn't exist. The T6 Galaxy isn't marketed to people that already bought the Command ships and are looking for something 'better.'

    There are a ton of players that love the Galaxy and they have stuck with it despite the fact that there are ships that are better for end game content. This ship is a viable path for them and a significant upgrade over what they're flying now. There is no ship in this game that is universally considered to be 'the best.' People look for different things in their ships and the configuration of the new Galaxy is a vast improvement over previous versions of the ship. The OP's assessment that a 3 console ship cannot cut it is simply wrong.

    It's not for everyone, I'm personally not getting one, but many people will. People are a bit short sided these days when evaluating ships, they count the Tac consoles and make their decision based solely on that alone.
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  • ladymyajhaladymyajha Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Compensate for what...either lack of skill or the need to show off their e-peen. Are people really that insecure with themselves? I guess so...

    But... but... but... the cookie cutter build they downloaded said they needed it!

    Seriously if you haven't figured it out by now... there are people who know the game... and the sheep in wolves clothing who just want to act like they are in the top bracket.

    I'm in no way shape or form in the top bracket... not even close... but there are those who yes their self-esteem is centered around 50k dps... they need to be part of the cool kids... and in STO that's the xxK DPS league channel. It's like that in every single game out there.

    Problem is... they're incompetant... but they need to be part of the cool kids. You know it's the water boy in a football team... or the stat guy on a Basketball team... not good enough to cut it, but they want to be associated with them... so they do everything they can to be part of that cool club.

    So yep... they exist... and they don't know any better... they think they're awesome... but they really have no clue how it works... they can only copy and paste
  • ladymyajhaladymyajha Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    lucho80 wrote: »
    The loudest bunch unfortunately, are the ones who play for getting more DPS and nothing more, even when it was proved today you could get 13K DPS from pets alone, lol. Breezing through every PvE in the game seems to be more important than actually enjoying the ship you fly for a lot of people.

    Frankly, I looked at the screenshots from the ship, and it looks absolutely amazing, but I'm more of a fan of science ships and I don't need that trait, so I'll skip it like I do most things.

    I'll be honest... I'm probably going to get it for my tank cruiser alt. Sucks for my sci captain... but for my tank cruiser alt... this thing has some serious potential to it. High survivability and really good BOff lay out for tac skills as well... and the trait will help with that as well... hit RSP for survivability and still whammy those who are attacking you.

    But for a science or even a tactical captain I'm unimpressed and wouldn't even bother looking at it.

    Still looks cool... but for my Science Captain... the hope is buried in that note... that they're going to release the fleet versions of that SOON if not at release... giving me hope that the fleet Scyer and the fleet Pathfinder aren't far behind.
  • blakes7tvseriesblakes7tvseries Member Posts: 704 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Probably a few. They've just mostly learned to keep their mouths shut because nobody at Cryptic is listening and getting shouted down for disagreeing with the current DPS dogma gets tiresome.

    Personally I'm just disappointed with this release. On a financial level its insulting, $35 more for a ship people already have with one more boff station, and the whole 're-buy what you already bought once' is just idiotic to me. Stat wise, its good that the Klingons get something new, though maybe it should have used the Guardian's layout since otherwise its already inferior to the existing Qib or Command cruisers and doesn't really fill any gaps. For the Roms, the DD's great strength before was that it was decent at everything without being the king of anything, one of the most flexible ships in the catalog and so this isn't much change from before (though not much improvement either).

    For the Galaxy though, instead of keeping it as a tank and support ship, something that made it unique, they just turned it into yet another FAW platform almost identical to the Eclipse, as if the game doesn't have enough of those already. I honestly would have been happier (relatively) with what the loudest voices would consider a 'weaker' Gal-6, LtCmdr Sci Lt Tac Ens Uni, or Lt Tac Lt Sci Lt Uni, and such a layout would thematically probably fit TNG better. Instead its now just another DS9/JJ-Trek blow-stuff-up boat. Disappointing.


    Well said and one point I like to add is they lost out on sales period.
    My concern is not for me(I don't like slow turning ships), but the life of the game.
    When it was critical to sell a kick TRIBBLE ship and iconic over powered one at that, this was the time.
    I think many feel this just shows you they are still a bit out of sync on how to sell to the their own customers.
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  • reynoldsxdreynoldsxd Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Tanking and support ship. Unique...

    Laughable.

    The Galaxy now has a good spread of boss slots. The console arrangement is fine.

    As always: you do not have to buy.

    Also: you can substitute ZEN with dilithium. So i really do not see the point in whining here.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Enjoy your non 50,000 DPS ships, watching the DPS league tear things apart before you have a chance to get into weapons range must be fun. I'll just have to wait for the Tier 6 Galaxy Dreadnought remake.

    I will, thank you :)

    Because I don't care about any of that. I know that people's preferences differ but I think strifing for the "top end" of a free to play game is a losing battle and I rather enjoy the game on my terms than to "work" towards some goal set by people with a lot of spare time, which is not meant as an "insult" or anything but an indicator where I stand. I'm halfway between old-school games player and casual, partly because there are no games that I used to play with a passion anymore (and those games are today considered "unfair" by those people setting records in STO) and partly because I do not want to invest time and resources into a game like STO. I have played a Galaxy R for four years on one of my main chars and I liked it, I will like the T6 upgrade. All my ships do somewhere around 10-15k dps which I find sufficient. So yeah, I will enjoy the ship :)
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    trwarbuck wrote: »
    Go Anti-Proton and do the following

    Adaptad MACO Space set with Obelisk Warp Core

    Crystalline Energy Torpedo (Anti-Proton)
    Ancient Omni-Directional Anti-Proton Beam
    Omni-Direcitonal Anti-Proton Beam
    Kentic Cutter Beam
    Bio-nueral Torpedo
    2 Anti-Proton Beam Arrays (Fleet)
    Dual Anti-Proton Beam Bank (Fleet)

    Multiple Fleet Tactical Consoles that modify Anti-Proton energy damage and any other console that effects Anti-proton damage.

    You'll have a butt kicking Anti-Proton starship that is equipped with three 360 degree beam weapons and the Crystalline Energy Torpedo and Bio-neural torpedo gets modifiers from the Adapted MACO set and the Obelisk Warp Core. The Bio-Neural Torpedo's anti-proton energy weapon receives modifiers from your anti-proton consoles and the Obelisk Warp Core. I also use Rule 62 for the bonus torpedo damage.

    This is an excellent build that I use myself.


    Actually, the Crystalline Energy Torpedo doesn't benefit from the 2-piece AMACO set bonus at all.

    Also, the Crystalline Energy Torpedo is, overall, kinda crappy. It's 'boosted' by AP Tact Consoles, only in the sense that it was pre-nerfed to almost do no damage out of box at all, and only do moderate dmg when boosted by your 5x AP Tact Consoles.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Y U NO PUT INSTANT WIN BUTTON ON PICARD SHIP:mad:
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Personally, I think this ship is going to be the all time best seller to date.

    There seem to be so many players that have been waiting for this ship forever. Any thread on the Galaxy blows up to dozens of pages in mere hours. The ship isn't for me, not because of any stats but simply because my personal taste is one that has never really liked the Galaxy. It's just not for me, never has been.

    Still, I know a lot of people wanted it, I'm glad they're getting it and I hope they enjoy it. It's not for everyone, but it's a good ship with pretty descent stats. I have the feeling that within a week from now Sector Space will be dominated by Galaxy Class ships. Galaxy players finally got the ship they wanted and though some will still be unhappy, I have to think this ship will appeal to the bulk of Galaxy Fans.

    Cool by me, I got the T6 I wanted (Presidio) and now others get what they want. Everyone's happy.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Personally, I think this ship is going to be the all time best seller to date.

    There seem to be so many players that have been waiting for this ship forever. Any thread on the Galaxy blows up to dozens of pages in mere hours. The ship isn't for me, not because of any stats but simply because my personal taste is one that has never really liked the Galaxy. It's just not for me, never has been.

    Still, I know a lot of people wanted it, I'm glad they're getting it and I hope they enjoy it. It's not for everyone, but it's a good ship with pretty descent stats. I have the feeling that within a week from now Sector Space will be dominated by Galaxy Class ships. Galaxy players finally got the ship they wanted and though some will still be unhappy, I have to think this ship will appeal to the bulk of Galaxy Fans.

    Cool by me, I got the T6 I wanted (Presidio) and now others get what they want. Everyone's happy.


    What makes you think the Galaxy will be all that great?! Just curious. Personally I don't see anything on it I feel I immediately *must* have now.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    What makes you think the Galaxy will be all that great?! Just curious. Personally I don't see anything on it I feel I immediately *must* have now.

    Nothing, I don't think it's all that great.

    But for a lot of players, the Galaxy is the greatest thing ever. They will flock to this ship just because they love the Galaxy. We'll see what happens, but it seems like a very large chunk of the player base have been waiting for this ship for a very long time and my guess is that it's going to sell like crazy.

    Time will tell I guess. Personally, I'm not interested, but I think a lot of people are. I think it will sell just based on the fact that it's a T6 Galaxy with a reasonable tactical layout.
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  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I'm sorry that the new Cruisers they've produced don't have a plurality of tac consoles. I understand it's frustrating when a Cruiser isn't tailored towards tactical play. I certainly hope this lack of tactical potency does not prevent you from purchasing these Cruisers.

    But if it does, I am sure that at some point Cryptic will release a ship with 4 tac consoles, possibly some sort of Tier-6 command Cruiser with a specific and declared bias towards tactical powers. They could even name it after some sort of Spanish colonial fortifications.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Perhaps,

    However I am not like you, I don't have integrity, I need to feel like I am doing something and being useful, and watching other players melt everything in their forward arc while It takes me five minutes to destroy a single Borg cube is not my Idea of fun.

    All by the virtue of a single tac console? Whoa!
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  • greyhame3greyhame3 Member Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I'll be getting not. Why? I don't care enough about having the best DPS to care about TAC consoles and I want to use a ship in like visually.

    I care about DPS enough to want to contribute but not enough to be at the top of charts.
  • heresincebetaheresincebeta Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I really don't like how only the ROM gets a LTC Science slot. Wish all 3 had that.
  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I really don't like how only the ROM gets a LTC Science slot. Wish all 3 had that.

    Yeah, I could see preferring science powers to engineering. But the T5 Galaxy and T5 Negh'var were very engineering heavy ships, here as the T5 D'Deridex already has an engineering commander, and dual LTC's, science and tactical.

    It seems like they did a pretty good job of setting the ships up so current captains dedicated to the T5 version still will only need to make additions to their current build, without being forced to make any subtractions.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    jermbot wrote: »
    I'm sorry that the new Cruisers they've produced don't have a plurality of tac consoles. I understand it's frustrating when a Cruiser isn't tailored towards tactical play. I certainly hope this lack of tactical potency does not prevent you from purchasing these Cruisers.

    But if it does, I am sure that at some point Cryptic will release a ship with 4 tac consoles, possibly some sort of Tier-6 command Cruiser with a specific and declared bias towards tactical powers. They could even name it after some sort of Spanish colonial fortifications.

    Nicely done! :D
    All by the virtue of a single tac console? Whoa!

    Yeah, I have seen some people overestimate the value of 1 Tac Console, but that one took the cake.
    jermbot wrote: »

    It seems like they did a pretty good job of setting the ships up so current captains dedicated to the T5 version still will only need to make additions to their current build, without being forced to make any subtractions.

    Yep, it definitely seems like these are targeted toward players that haven't made the T6 jump yet because they love the look of their current 'Iconic' ship. Actually pretty smart marketing.
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  • alex284alex284 Member Posts: 366 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    greyhame3 wrote: »
    I'll be getting not. Why? I don't care enough about having the best DPS to care about TAC consoles and I want to use a ship in like visually.

    I care about DPS enough to want to contribute but not enough to be at the top of charts.

    This is why I don't get the complaints about there being no upgrade from t5 to t6 galaxy class ships. No one bought a t5 galaxy class for performance, and no one will buy a t6 galaxy class for performance. You buy them because they're pretty/iconic, and the t5 is just as good as the t6 when it comes to looking like the enterprise.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    That said, there is a difference between a ship being viable and being worth $30. Sure I could do everything I do now with the T6 Galaxy, but I'd be $30 poorer with no better ship for my purchase.
    See, there is already a fundamental problem. Ships you buy should offer different gameplay, not make you automatically better at everything.

    If you only pay for power, you're already promising Cryptic an easy-mode way to get your money. Take any ship, change absolutely nothing, and just add one buff.

    If yo ubuy the ship for different gameplay capabiltieis and its design, then Cryptic actually has to provide a new ship design and some creative powers (or at least BOFF combos that weren't there before).
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    The real failing is that we still don't have a "Deflector Cannon" type ability. Like the Enterprise tried to do in "Best of Both Worlds". Maybe it's too similar to phaser lances?
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    They're iconic ships, not iconic escorts; they're cruisers for a reason. The Negh'Tev could have done with an additional TAC console over an additional ENG console just because it's a Klingon ship (and they're more about pew pew and less about support. The Galaxy is perfectly suitable as she is. If people want a high hitting DPS ship, then you should continue on with the Avenger.
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