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Dil exchange rate, is my math correct?

darpinkdarpink Member Posts: 342 Arc User
Ok I'm no idiot but I'm not great at math. So I use a calculator.

Current exchange rate for converting Dilithium to Zen is 182:1

Am I figuring this correctly? For 3,000 Zen at the above rate I would need 546,000 Refined Dil.

At that rate it will take me 68,250 DAYS!! to refine enough Dil for 1 Zen Intel or Command ship????

If my math is correct then this needs to change. An exchange rate of 50:1 is stupid high in my opinion considering the hours of grinding involved, let alone a rate of 182:1.

Am I figuring this correctly?
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    uhuh... supply and demand, my friend. supply and demand
  • captainmal3captainmal3 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ~68 days, not 68,250. So yes, your math is wrong. Also that assumes you only use one character, farm dil on alts and you can lower the time considerably.
  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Well your math itself is solid, but you are making multiple mistakes in your surrounding calcalution:

    -You can have up to three chars for free
    -Making it efficiently earning 8k dil per char doesnt take more than .5 to .75 hours
    -Thus within 2 hours (not even 2 hours straigt playing!) you get 24k dil per day

    Thus 3k Zen would be around 23 days. That not really much.

    Of course that disregards that every quarter year there is a ship sales.
    And disregarding that every quarter year there is an event that gives each char 50k dil for minimum timeinvestment ;)

    ~68 days, not 68,250. So yes, your math is wrong. Also that assumes you only use one character, farm dil on alts and you can lower the time considerably.

    68,25 in europe in 68.25 in america,so he is correct here.
  • bernatkbernatk Member Posts: 1,089 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2015
    ~68 days, not 68,250. So yes, your math is wrong. Also that assumes you only use one character, farm dil on alts and you can lower the time considerably.

    His math was correct. Maybe he's not anglo-saxon so he uses decimal comma instead of dot (like in my country we use). Just sayin...
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  • sonnikkusonnikku Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Back in Legacy of Rom when Cryptic lead with a carrot instead of a stick people loved the game and the xpack all around and bought zen in droves. The rate was 109 dil per zen back. Sure do miss those days. :( Only a fraction of that number are paying cash for zen now, hence the soured exchange rate.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    woodwhity wrote: »
    -You can have up to three chars for free

    Dude, you're forgetting the upcoming Delta Recruit slot! So it will be 4! ;)

    Course, I know I'm trying to forget the upcoming Delta Recruit thing myself. :D
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  • darpinkdarpink Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    woodwhity wrote: »
    Well your math itself is solid, but you are making multiple mistakes in your surrounding calcalution:

    -You can have up to three chars for free
    -Making it efficiently earning 8k dil per char doesnt take more than .5 to .75 hours
    -Thus within 2 hours (not even 2 hours straigt playing!) you get 24k dil per day

    Thus 3k Zen would be around 23 days. That not really much.
    Good points. I'm a free player and been playing STO for almost 3 full years now and I still don't think I know how to actually grind 8k dil in .5 - .75 hrs. I welcome any tips.

    If I can grind 8k dil in that short amount of time then I CAN do so on 3 or more toons.

    Still pretty sad that it takes the combined efforts of 3 toons in order to buy 1 of them a Zen ship.

    Thanks for the helpful replies!
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    darpink wrote: »
    If my math is correct then this needs to change. An exchange rate of 50:1 is stupid high in my opinion considering the hours of grinding involved, let alone a rate of 182:1.

    You want to buy Zen with your own money and then trade it at 50:1, be my guest. :cool:
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Huh?

    There isn't anything correct in his post at all. It's profoundly wrong. It is wrong by three orders of magnitude.

    Some countries...

    68.25

    Some countries...

    68,250

    ...it's the same number.
  • captainmal3captainmal3 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Sorry for responding to his post on the english language forum under the assumption that he'd written it in english format.

    If you're only willing to put in the effort of one single toon a day, then yes it's going to take a while to buy a top tier ship.
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  • darpinkdarpink Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    You guys can stop fighting about the math, I see my error and it is 68 days at 8k dil per day refined and at the current exchange rate.
    I should not be doing math before I've had my Java!
    You want to buy Zen with your own money and then trade it at 50:1, be my guest.
    And nobody asked for anyone to do that, so .... :P
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Which of the countries that express "sixty eight point two five" as 68,250 also express "five hundred forty thousand" as 540,000?

    Yeah, I would have expected that to be 540.000 to go along with the 68,250...but got the gist of what he was likely saying.
    Plus, doesn't his post strongly suggest he is a native english speaker?

    "Ok I'm no idiot but I'm not great at math. So I use a calculator."

    Suggests a non-native speaker to me. It's got that high school level foreign language teacher thing going for it - lacking the vernacular/colloquial bit going for it. The kind of stuff if I were to type out things in French, German, or Spanish which would cause native speakers to /facepalm.
  • bumperthumperbumperthumper Member Posts: 513 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    If you think 182:1 is high (which it is, btw), just wait until our current Crystalline Entity event is over and there's an influx of Dil. I shudder to think of what the spike in the ratio will be.
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  • captainmal3captainmal3 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    darpink wrote: »
    You guys can stop fighting about the math, I see my error and it is 68 days at 8k dil per day refined and at the current exchange rate.

    Guess I wasn't wrong afterall.
  • darpinkdarpink Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    If you think 182:1 is high (which it is, btw), just wait until our current Crystalline Entity event is over and there's and influx of Dil. I shudder to think of what the spike in the ratio will be.
    IKR! It was around 165:1 just before the Entity event started. Back when I discovered the Dil Exchange for the first time, the rate was 83:1. But that was a long time ago now lol.

    Funny, I think some players really think the Dil Exchange rate is controlled by the players. I honestly do not think so. JMHO
  • captainmal3captainmal3 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    It used to be over 300 per zen before they added fleets. Trust me it could be a lot worse.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Yes, your math is correct. Assuming the exchange rate is 182 refined dilithium to 1 Zen, you are playing one captain, and you are maxing out at refining 8,000 dilithium ore per day (potentially up to about 9,000 if you are in a fleet and you are a veteran), it will take 68.25 days (or 68,25 for some countries in Europe) to get 3,000 Zen.

    The exchange rate basically fluctuates based on what other players believe their Zen is worth to them. The exchange rate spiked up from I think 170 to around 195 when just before Cryptic announced that people have a chance to win a T6 Jem'Hadar bug ship when they purchase a R&D box from the C-Store. There is a large demand for the new ship which means the demand for Zen is greater and that means Zen is worth more refined dilithium to the players who want to sell their Zen.

    The exchange rate will very likely increase again next week by a little bit when people turn in their 14 shards to get a 50,000 dilithium ore reward for playing Crystal Catastrophe Event. More dilithium in the economy means the value of each refined dilithium falls, which in turn means players who are willing to sell their Zen will likely demand more refined dilithium.

    Basically speaking:

    1. The greater the demand for Zen, the higher the exchange rate will be.

    2. The more potential supply of refined dilithium there is, the higher the exchange rate will be.
  • kozar2kozar2 Member Posts: 602 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    For easy dil. Make one or two KDF alts. Doff missions that can be found between home world and DS9 bring in loads of contraband. You can then share that among your toons and turn it in to the security officers 3-4 times a day for max daily dil. That's just doffing no game play. 1 kdf can support 2 feds because the kdf also makes a lot of dil turning in prisoners. Takes 15 minutes of doffing time a day.
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  • ironcaniacironcaniac Member Posts: 131 Media Corps
    edited March 2015
    darpink wrote: »
    And nobody asked for anyone to do that, so .... :P

    Well, since the exchange rate is determined solely by players, how exactly do you propose the exchange rate be changed? The only way would be if players started selling Zen for less and why would anyone do that if the market price is 180+? Cryptic could set the minimum exchange rate at 1:1 and the market could still dictate a rate of 182:1.

    Here's a helpful page on where you can get dilithium: http://sto.gamepedia.com/Dilithium
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  • darpinkdarpink Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Darpink, if you don't mind my asking, are you a native english speaker?
    Native as in from Europe? No.

    American English.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    darpink wrote: »
    Funny, I think some players really think the Dil Exchange rate is controlled by the players. I honestly do not think so. JMHO

    OK, the conspiracy theory has been posted, the thread is complete now. :D
  • ironcaniacironcaniac Member Posts: 131 Media Corps
    edited March 2015
    warpangel wrote: »
    OK, the conspiracy theory has been posted, the thread is complete now. :D

    Or he just doesn't understand economics or how things like the stock exchange and market price fluctuations work.
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  • darpinkdarpink Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    warpangel wrote: »
    OK, the conspiracy theory has been posted, the thread is complete now. :D
    No no, not trying to create a conspiracy theory, just stating my opinion, doesn't mean I'm correct.
  • captainmal3captainmal3 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ironcaniac wrote: »
    Or he just doesn't understand economics or how things like the stock exchange and market price fluctuations work.

    Not understanding things like that while thinking you do is generally how conspiracy theories start in my experience.
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