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T6 Bird of Prey suggestion

pcscipiopcscipio Member Posts: 79 Arc User
edited March 2015 in Klingon Discussion
To make it easy to implement, Cryptic could simply take the T5 Fleet Norgh Bird of Prey [ http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Norgh_Bird-of-Prey_Retrofit
] Upgraded (+1 tactical console), make one Lt. Cmdr. Universal hybrid intel/uni, add a starship trait and an universal console, give it the option to use B'rel skin (B'rel was always upgradable through centuries of ST canon) and sell it for 3000 ZEN.

Would you buy it?

P.S.: in TNG: Unification II, KDF was using a B'rel for gathering intel in romulan space. There is logic behing making a T6 intel BoP but i'm afraid i'd ask too much.
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  • sinn74sinn74 Member Posts: 1,149 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I think that no matter what they gave a T6 BoP, it would turn into "Why can't I have that on my Federation characters!!!!!111oneoneeleventeen"

    Either that, or it would be preemptively smacked with a garbage trait, and/or awful stats.

    Just being realistic. I don't have much optimism at this point for anything spectacular being added as KDF-only. Not saying it's a bad idea.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I would buy a T6 BoP even if it looks like a garbage scow as long as the performance / ability upgrade from a T5u BoP is reasonable enough.

    Hell... if it looks like a pink unicorn with wings I would still buy it. At least I would get some laughs trolling around with it. LOL...
  • poinkipoinki Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I would spend a loooots of money 4 a T6 Bop.
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  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I'd be on board, seeing what they did on the JHSS it'd be a crime not to.
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    bluegeek wrote: »
    I'd be on board, seeing what they did on the JHSS it'd be a crime not to.

    Eh they only do that out of desperation for cash grabs. Of course if the KDF does ever get things like the T6 bops since we haven't had a unique bop since the brel came out it will be useless against the next meta.

    My real problem besides the technical side of the polish not being shiny enough is that there is so much grind that when you wanna play something for fun there isn't anything content wise that could stick out as being fun to play especially the borg stfs.
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  • staq16staq16 Member Posts: 1,181 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    sinn74 wrote: »
    Either that, or it would be preemptively smacked with a garbage trait, and/or awful stats.

    I think that with factional PVP gone, the fed-only-player whining would be far less than it used to be.

    The ship trait matters less now - it's possible to get 4 decent traits from cruisers and spec trees, albeit at cost - but a *good* trait could really help BoPs. Perhaps one that gave them a reduced cooldown on Evasive, to support a hit-and-run playstyle?
  • davideightdavideight Member Posts: 465 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    im not sure if a bop is really ... a platform for command.

    since comamnd AND intel really use most up to date technology, its quite, the one thing a bop never was: modern and up to date. (speaking lore or canon-wise)

    so it would have to be a NEW bop platform, something like kdf saying: lets put our best tech into a most universal platform, highly advanced but "small and cheap".

    so it MUST be a new skin as well for me. just having a command+intel+uni seat wouldnt do it for me.

    it should be something new.

    and then id go for 4eng,4sci,4tac (so fleet level like command ships), hull as the phantom intel (low)
    a lower shield modifier (0.9)


    and then lets have a com universal universal (where you can only have EITHER intel or command active mixed with either tac/eng/sci), and rest is 3 ltcom uni (normal, without spec)

    so the ship could have a command OR intel, but not both of it. i think having both as a com+ltcom specialists would just be too much.


    the other setup would be making a normal com uni without spec + 2 ltcom uni-universal + 1lt com uni.

    but this would mean you could have both intel and command on relatively high seats combined. i think thats just to strong maybe.

    basic thing is: a hybrid spec seat is wasted if its only a lt ... thats why i dont think the jemhadar strike ship is any good at all.
  • davideightdavideight Member Posts: 465 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    a viable trait could be:


    pach pa pach peh trait: (to be or not to be): when you hit battlecloak you gain x amount of temporal hitpoints.

    (making battlecloaks infight more safe, but not immune of course!)
  • theredcomettheredcomet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Doesn't the Qib with cruiser commands AND battlecloak outdate the BoP concept entirely? sure you're missing raider flanking but cruiser commands seem not such a bad deal for it.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    theredcomet wrote: »
    Doesn't the Qib with cruiser commands AND battlecloak outdate the BoP concept entirely? sure you're missing raider flanking but cruiser commands seem not such a bad deal for it.

    Not really. It's a different beast. The Qib is slower, therefore much more challenging to get cannons on target than a 21+ turn rate Bird of Prey. There is the defense bonus BoPs get for being so fast as well. But the largest, most notable and game changing difference is the all universal Boff setup. With a Qib, you're more or less locked into the setup. With a BoP, you can do any combiantion your mind can think of.
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  • pcscipiopcscipio Member Posts: 79 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    staq16 wrote: »
    I think that with factional PVP gone, the fed-only-player whining would be far less than it used to be.

    The ship trait matters less now - it's possible to get 4 decent traits from cruisers and spec trees, albeit at cost - but a *good* trait could really help BoPs. Perhaps one that gave them a reduced cooldown on Evasive, to support a hit-and-run playstyle?

    food for thought:
    T6 BoP Starship mastery: Improved flanking (added with the inate flanking bonus, makes it on par with Breen Plesh Brek Heavy Raider's improved flanking)
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The Bird of Prey is also the very last signature item of the KDF. Carriers, Battlecruisers, no longer unique to the KDF. Universal Stations? Once only found in the KDF BOP, nowhere else (long, long, LONG time ago).

    The BOP's total package of All-Universals, balanced console layout, light hull, excellent handling, and Battle Cloak at the very least is unique combination. It needs to be a made into T6. The Mat'ha already fills the Escort side of the house very well. The Qib and Command FDCs are solid Battle Cruisers. We have gaps in T6 Science Vessels and Carriers, but the lack of the signature KDF ship, the BOP at T6, is a bigger hole, IMO.
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  • staq16staq16 Member Posts: 1,181 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    patrickngo wrote: »
    Martok (Remember Martok?) Ran an entire war that got him the Chancellorship, not from a Negh'var or Vor'cha or Raptor...(Which is an even MORE out of date design family than the BoP), but from the bridge of a B'rel.

    While Martok famously retained the Rotarran as his ship throughout the war, did we ever see him command a fleet action from it...? I can't recall doing so. Certainly in the J G Hertzler novels, it's stated that he commanded the Klingon fleet in the battle for Cardassia from the Negh'var (reluctantly, because he didn't like it).

    Chang also used a B'rel, but was not exactly trying to attract attention.

    Anyway; while giving a T6 BoP the option to seat both Command and Intel BOffs would be a full extension of their original flexibility, I think I'd rather see one with a Uni / Intel Commander slot. Making a BoP the first multi-speciailisation ship would probably be a bridge too far (justified or not), but it's impossible to argue the synergy between Intel and raider ops.
  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    staq16 wrote: »
    Making a BoP the first multi-speciailisation ship would probably be a bridge too far (justified or not), but it's impossible to argue the synergy between Intel and raider ops.

    Just a note - the first multi-spec ship is the Jem'Hadar Strike Ship.
  • revanindustriesrevanindustries Member Posts: 508 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    So the upgrade of Pilot into a full Primary Spec . . . might we see a Pilot-BoP in the future?? one can only hope.
  • coldicephoenixcoldicephoenix Member Posts: 344 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    {possible spoiler}
    Not sure if it for real or just fan made.. according to a "leak" it looks like we're more likely to get a T6 Negh instead

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  • rosetyler51rosetyler51 Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Everything is ok and yes the KDF need a t6 BoP.

    (No to a t6 vo'quv because my wallet could not handle it)
  • coldicephoenixcoldicephoenix Member Posts: 344 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    rosetyler51 wrote: »
    Kahless damm it. Man you bring to everyone. They ask for me to stop linking to them from the forums. On the front page. IN BOLD PRINT
    Lol I didnt see that one
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  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    With the release of information on the expansion of the Pilot Specialization, wouldn't that be the perfect fit for a T6 BoP?
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    scififan78 wrote: »
    With the release of information on the expansion of the Pilot Specialization, wouldn't that be the perfect fit for a T6 BoP?

    Agreed. See http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=22867431&postcount=73

    With the Negh'Var probably being a carbon copy of the new Exploration Cruiser getting the command spec, a BoP will be a perfect counterweight to the Defiant T6 which surely will be pilot spec'd.
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