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drakomagidrakomagi Member Posts: 124 Arc User
Here's an interesting thought:

Why don't we have a T6 version of the flagsips? Such as an Odyssey-class Command Cruiser, with a Command specialization and starship trait.

It could be added to the existing bundles, and each faction could have their own unique ability.

This makes some sense, since the flagships are now no longer the most powerful ship of each faction.
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  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Why with a second-class-specialisaton?
  • abystander0abystander0 Member Posts: 649 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Here's a better thought:

    Give the KDF a dreadnaught.

    Why is it the shooty warlike faction doesn't have one but the "I come in peace" and space hippie factions do? :mad:
  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Because they have to first steal one to make one? KDF got most of their basic tech from the Hqur, and are not really intellectual on a level of FED or ROM. And with a dreadnaught being a very high level kind of shp (power and powerdistribution of the charts), the kdf is incapable of building one themsleves.
  • drakomagidrakomagi Member Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Well, a command specialization makes sense. They are flagships after all.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    edited March 2015
    Another T6 flagship thread... This is starting to get done to death, and almost getting to Endgame Connie levels.

    The flagships themselves have something NO player ship can ever have. [PLOT Armor Mk 99]. The flagship classes that players can fly... came out before T6.

    They're not going to bump up ships on the merit of it being the "Flagship". Technically the Enterprise-F isn't even a whole year old yet in terms of story. Same goes for the Bortasqu and Lieset. The only reason the Command Cruisers are "superior" is game mechanics.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited March 2015
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Another T6 flagship thread... This is starting to get done to death, and almost getting to Endgame Connie levels.

    The flagships themselves have something NO player ship can ever have. [PLOT Armor Mk 99]. The flagship classes that players can fly... came out before T6.

    They're not going to bump up ships on the merit of it being the "Flagship". Technically the Enterprise-F isn't even a whole year old yet in terms of story. Same goes for the Bortasqu and Lieset. The only reason the Command Cruisers are "superior" is game mechanics.

    Well, that, and poor planning on Cryptic's part. :P Waiting four years to advance the in-story calendar one year? Bah!

    Still, they'll release refits at some point, for sure. And I personally think they'll come with the new fleet holding we all expect.

    And, yeah, I'm getting tired of typing that, too. :P ;)
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Another T6 flagship thread... This is starting to get done to death, and almost getting to Endgame Connie levels.


    Amen!


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  • luckychuckyluckychucky Member Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Here's a better thought:

    Give the KDF a dreadnaught.

    Why is it the shooty warlike faction doesn't have one but the "I come in peace" and space hippie factions do? :mad:

    What Dreadnought do you mean? ... the Galaxy X? ... really?
    With the definition of "Dreadnought" you can count almost every Cruiser or Battlecruiser therefore.
    And all 3 Factions have enough of that.
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  • chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Another T6 flagship thread... This is starting to get done to death, and almost getting to Endgame Connie levels.

    Cheers. My thoughts exactly. This is the new flavour-of-the-month.
    drakomagi wrote: »
    Why don't we have a T6 version of the flagsips? Such as an Odyssey-class Command Cruiser, with a Command specialization and starship trait.

    Don't really need it, to be honest. The Odyssey, Scimitar, and Bortas variants are already some of the best ships in the game. I still, and will for a long time, see them flying around. Slap a T5-U upgrade on them, and you've got something akin to a T6 anyways.
  • nickcastletonnickcastleton Member Posts: 1,212 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Well, that, and poor planning on Cryptic's part. :P Waiting four years to advance the in-story calendar one year? Bah!

    Still, they'll release refits at some point, for sure. And I personally think they'll come with the new fleet holding we all expect.

    And, yeah, I'm getting tired of typing that, too. :P ;)

    yeah i have ignored cryptic s stupid timeline had my odyssey for 4 years not 1.

    but your are right its poor planning on cryptic s part as the command ships do feel old now (i suppose the republics command ship is technically old)
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  • umaekoumaeko Member Posts: 748 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Honestly, I'd rather wait.

    Right now, an Odyssey T5U is still capable of performing fairly decently. We've had people claiming to reach extremely high levels of performance from her at that.

    The Tier 6 ships which are coming out are, performance-wise, not all that superior. They do bring along a trait, but it's a trait you can go back and use on your Odyssey afterwards.

    At some point we'll get more specializations. We're going to have different ship designs coming out to support them. And then we'll have lockbox ships coming out showing access to multiple specializations as well. There will be a point where Tier 6 ships will be fleet quality as well (arguably, the command cruisers already that.

    I figure then, when T6 ships will really have gotten ahead in full swing, that the faction flagship ought to be pushed to T6. My hope isn't for them to be 'command' ship, but everything ships. There's universal for Tac/Sci/eng... and maybe there could be a new nomenclature to include all specialization.

    There are good reasons why the Avenger and Tempest were considered 'cream-of-the-crop-. They came in late enough so that a lot of possibilities were explore beforehand, which made power creep the only real way of making them desirable.

    If the flagships are to remain relevant, I believe that's the timing that ought to be ideal for them.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    umaeko wrote: »
    Honestly, I'd rather wait.

    Right now, an Odyssey T5U is still capable of performing fairly decently. We've had people claiming to reach extremely high levels of performance from her at that.

    The Tier 6 ships which are coming out are, performance-wise, not all that superior. They do bring along a trait, but it's a trait you can go back and use on your Odyssey afterwards.

    At some point we'll get more specializations. We're going to have different ship designs coming out to support them. And then we'll have lockbox ships coming out showing access to multiple specializations as well. There will be a point where Tier 6 ships will be fleet quality as well (arguably, the command cruisers already that.

    I figure then, when T6 ships will really have gotten ahead in full swing, that the faction flagship ought to be pushed to T6. My hope isn't for them to be 'command' ship, but everything ships. There's universal for Tac/Sci/eng... and maybe there could be a new nomenclature to include all specialization.

    There are good reasons why the Avenger and Tempest were considered 'cream-of-the-crop-. They came in late enough so that a lot of possibilities were explore beforehand, which made power creep the only real way of making them desirable.

    If the flagships are to remain relevant, I believe that's the timing that ought to be ideal for them.

    Emphasis on WAIT.

    How many years from launch did it take for the Avenger, Tempest to get out there?

    Yeah. Have fun with that.
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  • umaekoumaeko Member Posts: 748 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Sure I will, my cynical friend. :)

    After all, the Odyssey/Bortasqu still perform great.

    Can probably wait one more year without too much worry. Can always get new ships to give them a whirl and grab the trait and then return back to the Odyssey to optimize it... or play with the new ship for awhile if I happen to fall in love with it while still able to return to the Odyssey at whim.

    Year two (from now) will probably see that gap widen, seeing 3 seasons and perhaps 1 expansion. It'd probably be the ideal timing to get the Odyssey to Fleet T6 as waiting more may actually bring about T7 (which will likely present another opportunity to upgrade the Odyssey, so, no need to wait that long).
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  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    It's more likely they're going to wait until we get a 3rd new Primary Specialization.

    Given that:
    Intel - Tac/Debuff Sci
    Command - Eng/Support Sci

    In play style, we could see a Tac/Eng specialization (self-healing and threat drawing; could be Vanguard) showing up.

    Then later apply one Specialization to each Flagship variant, either on their high rank Universal seat or on their Commander level seat.

    Tac Odyssey/Bortesqu'/Scimitar - Future Specialization
    Eng Flagship Trio - Command
    Sci Flagship Trio - Intel

    Alternatively, they could apply the Command to the Cmdr Eng seat on the Odyssey and Bortesqu and to the Cmdr Tac seat on the Scimitar, and leave their Lt.Cmdr Universal seats to be Universal/UniSpec hybrids, to accommodate any other Specialization; current and future. This would justify buying an entirely new set of T6 Flagships, and at the same time, allow Cryptic to upgrade their console bonuses to be more useful than they are now (similar to the Command ship console bonuses; those provide a needed turn rate and minor [ResAll] bonus at 2-pcs).

    Or if they don't want to let the Flagship classes be that flexible (a poor decision when they can future proof it and keep earning cash off those), keep the Command on the Cmdr Eng seats on the Odyssey and Bort, and on the Cmdr Tac seat on the Scimitar, and add a specific Specialization to the Lt.Cmdr Universal seat. Science would get Universal/Intel, Operations would get Universal/Command, and Tactical would get Universal/Future Specialization.
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