Well I don't agree they are cowards at all. Every ship willing to stand toe to toe with a player Captain who proceeds to rip them a new one in no time at all is anything but cowardly. Suicidal may be a better word.
That being said, Tholians. Weapon disables are the single most annoying thing in the game, I will happily take subnucs, Undine grav wells or Vaadwaar/Voth FAW spam over it any day.
We used to have the Borg (EPTE->moving to the other side of the map !), but thankfully they nerfed that.
We have the Voths, especially the biggest ship, with the invulnerability shield. They also have the holographic frigate, and the front giant shield. Also, they have the repair ship, and aceton stuff.
They just don't want to die.
Haha, does anyone know the Order of the Stick? it's an ongoing online comic about a fanatsy RPG hero group living in a world where every character is (sometimes painfully) aware they are either Player chars or NPCs.
This post reminds me of that.
Imagine the dialogs on the NPC enemy ship when they realise that they are up against a player captain hoping he is 1K DSP noob without science team to clear their unfair cheats or a 50k Elite player who vapes them in less than one weapon cycle! XD
Can you blame them for their dirty little tricks?
You are mixing the term cowardice with hunting when you talk about Hirogen.
Every hunter hunts weaker prey, otherwise he can't hunt them down, right?
every predator does that.
No race presented in STO that is in combat scenario can't be seen as a coward race.
Scientific, technological, tactical, numerical or strategic advantage is not cowardice lol.
You are mixing the term cowardice with hunting when you talk about Hirogen.
Every hunter hunts weaker prey, otherwise he can't hunt them down, right?
every predator does that.
No race presented in STO that is in combat scenario can't be seen as a coward race.
Scientific, technological, tactical, numerical or strategic advantage is not cowardice lol.
Using Sci powers to gimp an opponent that you challenged to a fight is both cowardly and without honor.
I see the new Delta Races using tactics, now fix it so they can use tactics without cheating.
Using Sci powers to gimp an opponent that you challenged to a fight is both cowardly and without honor.
I see the new Delta Races using tactics, now fix it so they can use tactics without cheating.
Those science powers are their strength. They manipulate particles for example to create a gravity well. They use their capabilities to fight their enemies, which isn't much different from a Klingon slicing his Bat'leth through an enemy's throat.
It depends on your definition of 'honour'. I wouldn't call it honourless to make use of your capabilities. One might as well consider it honourless when a Klingon uses his superior strength against weaker foes.
Those science powers are their strength. They manipulate particles for example to create a gravity well. They use their capabilities to fight their enemies, which isn't much different from a Klingon slicing his Bat'leth through an enemy's throat.
It depends on your definition of 'honour'. I wouldn't call it honourless to make use of your capabilities. One might as well consider it honourless when a Klingon uses his superior strength against weaker foes.
I'd like to see the game without holds and debuffs where combats are weapons against shields like the original IP.
It would simplify things immensly:
Example: I have to carry both Science Team and Polarize Hull on my builds because of Sci spam subneucleonic cheat and the ubiquitous tractor beams.
These powers cancel each other out so how about getting rid of them both and allowing something better to be slotted?
It would also bolster the number of people playing PvP as they wouldn't have to have a degree in Advanced Science skill cheating to play.
I'd like to see the game without holds and debuffs where combats are weapons against shields like the original IP.
It would simplify things immensly:
Example: I have to carry both Science Team and Polarize Hull on my builds because of Sci spam subneucleonic cheat and the ubiquitous tractor beams.
These powers cancel each other out so how about getting rid of them both and allowing something better to be slotted?
It would also bolster the number of people playing PvP as they wouldn't have to have a degree in Advanced Science skill cheating to play.
More pew pew and even less thinking required? No thanks. Those science 'cheating' skills bring diversity to what is otherwise 'lock cannons or beams and press space bar'.
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The most frustrating? Probably a toss up between the Hirogen and the Hierarchy, after the subnuke and/or Jam sensors it's a case of "Just come 'ere and die already!" especially with jam sensors or the Vaadie thing where you're sat there thinking "my pets are shooting it, my team is shooting it, so I sodding well know where it is, why the heck can't my tactical officer coordinate with the team/pets to shoot the thing!?" but that's just bad implementation of abilities and it would be better as a massive accuracy debuff that scales based on range so that the further a target is from an affected ship the less accurate the attacks.
so basicaly .... its ok for players to use those skills ... but npcs are cheats when they do it ?:O im shocked
lol
i hate the hierarchy tho so annoying to fight some times -,- the voths invunrable shields are nothing just fly round the damn things XD ... its not like it does em any good in the long run =3
so basicaly .... its ok for players to use those skills ... but npcs are cheats when they do it ?:O im shocked
lol
i hate the hierarchy tho so annoying to fight some times -,- the voths invunrable shields are nothing just fly round the damn things XD ... its not like it does em any good in the long run =3
No.
It's not OK for those skills to exist period.
No one should be using them IMO.
I forgot about the jam sensors thing from the Hiearchy.
I forgot about the jam sensors thing from the Hiearchy.
So you would essentially be eliminating science as a class because it requires you to carry some powers and consoles that don't feed the goal of min-maxing and eliminating the little diversity in playstyle there is...I think the overall impact of that kind of move on gameplay would just compound the balance and diversity problems that already exist and just wind up driving more and more people from the game.
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So you would essentially be eliminating science as a class because it requires you to carry some powers and consoles that don't feed the goal of min-maxing and eliminating the little diversity in playstyle there is...I think the overall impact of that kind of move on gameplay would just compound the balance and diversity problems that already exist and just wind up driving more and more people from the game.
There are people that wanted this game to be basically Bridge Commander Online, and there are people that don't mind STO's space magic.
There isn't really much point to debate it, it's basically a matter of taste and preferences.
I think the space magic is a bit... too mch, sometimes. But it's fun, and that's all that matters.
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Did you even watch Star Trek? Maybe I just imagined the tractors beam, etc in the series?
again, it's a matter of preferences and taste. Canon can be used against science as well as for science.
Tractor Beam was not some special power that ships only optionally had - pretty much every ship, science vessel or not, had a Tractor Beam. It was a built-in component.
But if everyone in the game could use it al lthe time in combat, it may be strange, so as a game mechanic, it's a science power that you can slot (on pretty much every ship), but you don't have to, and if you do, it will mean you must sacrifice somewhere else.
Likewsie - Gravity Wells, Photonic Shockwaves. ALl that existed in Star Trek. But they were often the "solution/threat of the week", not something you were expected to pull off every day, or 5 times in combat. So the effects have every justification to exist in a Star Trek game. But do they have to be game powers you select, or should they be "story" effects, like "today, we have a exploration mission involving some aliens throwing gravity wells at us / that can only be defeated with a gravity well".
It can be argued either way.
In the end, It hink the "space magic" is fun and makes the game a bit more than just shooting phasers and disruptors at each other. Same thing really with all the powerful healing powers that can turn a ship from the brink of destruction to pristine condition. It's often more exciting if you get close to death more often, rather than only slowly degrading... (or rapidly and not coming back.)
thlaylierah obviously disagrees. That's okay. The game won't change for him, I think.
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If anybody names ferengis, I assure I will run away and cry.
Ferengi, they hire big, strong unstable mercinaries and they run from a fight but not from somthing involving money. As my kdf says: Ferengi are cowardly worms!
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This would be my biggest dream for STO and I believe it would actually bring more players in without having the learning curve.
This is a stratagy game, its not like every enemy has the same predictable tactic, you are supposed to adapt to their tactics and then they like any other enemy. Removing science as a class will make a lot of people including me very angry, so please, if the Hierarchy or Hirogen or Vaadwaur or whatever kill you with science or fancy combos dont come here to cry on and on and on about it, go back out there and TRY AGAIN! ADAPT! ADAPT LIKE THE BORG! RESISTANCE IS NOT FUTILE! NPC tactics makes the game chalenging and fun, not easy and boring.
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I enjoy killing the Hirogen more than any other. Their big hunter garbage rubs me the wrong way.
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That being said, Tholians. Weapon disables are the single most annoying thing in the game, I will happily take subnucs, Undine grav wells or Vaadwaar/Voth FAW spam over it any day.
We have the Voths, especially the biggest ship, with the invulnerability shield. They also have the holographic frigate, and the front giant shield. Also, they have the repair ship, and aceton stuff.
They just don't want to die.
This post reminds me of that.
Imagine the dialogs on the NPC enemy ship when they realise that they are up against a player captain hoping he is 1K DSP noob without science team to clear their unfair cheats or a 50k Elite player who vapes them in less than one weapon cycle! XD
Can you blame them for their dirty little tricks?
What I do is fly in, press space 1 time, then watch tv including eSTF.
I couldn't tell you the name of a single story arc character, planet, mission or any parts of the story itself.
Both from the simple fact, it doesn't matter even ½ per cent.
2D point and click space combat in STO can be summerized as either spamming space button constantly or use auto fire, hit it once, and watch tv.
Stoy is even more pointless since it is not canon and since it doesn't matter what you do - it's bascially down to spamming the "f" button there.
All in all it's pretty hilariously ironic how un-intelligent and simple the game design is when you compare it to the ideals of actual star trek.
Every hunter hunts weaker prey, otherwise he can't hunt them down, right?
every predator does that.
No race presented in STO that is in combat scenario can't be seen as a coward race.
Scientific, technological, tactical, numerical or strategic advantage is not cowardice lol.
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Using Sci powers to gimp an opponent that you challenged to a fight is both cowardly and without honor.
I see the new Delta Races using tactics, now fix it so they can use tactics without cheating.
Hohoho I beg to differ sir! Worst mistake they made. The one bug they should have left in typically is the one they went and fixed.
I miss the zippy spheres...
*eyes narrow, sudden urge to sharpen Bat'leth*
They only attack one ship if they have 5 ships helping
Those science powers are their strength. They manipulate particles for example to create a gravity well. They use their capabilities to fight their enemies, which isn't much different from a Klingon slicing his Bat'leth through an enemy's throat.
It depends on your definition of 'honour'. I wouldn't call it honourless to make use of your capabilities. One might as well consider it honourless when a Klingon uses his superior strength against weaker foes.
Why are you bothering to "play" at all?
I'd like to see the game without holds and debuffs where combats are weapons against shields like the original IP.
It would simplify things immensly:
Example: I have to carry both Science Team and Polarize Hull on my builds because of Sci spam subneucleonic cheat and the ubiquitous tractor beams.
These powers cancel each other out so how about getting rid of them both and allowing something better to be slotted?
It would also bolster the number of people playing PvP as they wouldn't have to have a degree in Advanced Science skill cheating to play.
More pew pew and even less thinking required? No thanks. Those science 'cheating' skills bring diversity to what is otherwise 'lock cannons or beams and press space bar'.
The most frustrating? Probably a toss up between the Hirogen and the Hierarchy, after the subnuke and/or Jam sensors it's a case of "Just come 'ere and die already!" especially with jam sensors or the Vaadie thing where you're sat there thinking "my pets are shooting it, my team is shooting it, so I sodding well know where it is, why the heck can't my tactical officer coordinate with the team/pets to shoot the thing!?" but that's just bad implementation of abilities and it would be better as a massive accuracy debuff that scales based on range so that the further a target is from an affected ship the less accurate the attacks.
lol
i hate the hierarchy tho so annoying to fight some times -,- the voths invunrable shields are nothing just fly round the damn things XD ... its not like it does em any good in the long run =3
No.
It's not OK for those skills to exist period.
No one should be using them IMO.
I forgot about the jam sensors thing from the Hiearchy.
So you would essentially be eliminating science as a class because it requires you to carry some powers and consoles that don't feed the goal of min-maxing and eliminating the little diversity in playstyle there is...I think the overall impact of that kind of move on gameplay would just compound the balance and diversity problems that already exist and just wind up driving more and more people from the game.
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This would be my biggest dream for STO and I believe it would actually bring more players in without having the learning curve.
There are people that wanted this game to be basically Bridge Commander Online, and there are people that don't mind STO's space magic.
There isn't really much point to debate it, it's basically a matter of taste and preferences.
I think the space magic is a bit... too mch, sometimes. But it's fun, and that's all that matters.
Did you even watch Star Trek? Maybe I just imagined the tractors beam, etc in the series?
Tractor Beam was not some special power that ships only optionally had - pretty much every ship, science vessel or not, had a Tractor Beam. It was a built-in component.
But if everyone in the game could use it al lthe time in combat, it may be strange, so as a game mechanic, it's a science power that you can slot (on pretty much every ship), but you don't have to, and if you do, it will mean you must sacrifice somewhere else.
Likewsie - Gravity Wells, Photonic Shockwaves. ALl that existed in Star Trek. But they were often the "solution/threat of the week", not something you were expected to pull off every day, or 5 times in combat. So the effects have every justification to exist in a Star Trek game. But do they have to be game powers you select, or should they be "story" effects, like "today, we have a exploration mission involving some aliens throwing gravity wells at us / that can only be defeated with a gravity well".
It can be argued either way.
In the end, It hink the "space magic" is fun and makes the game a bit more than just shooting phasers and disruptors at each other. Same thing really with all the powerful healing powers that can turn a ship from the brink of destruction to pristine condition. It's often more exciting if you get close to death more often, rather than only slowly degrading... (or rapidly and not coming back.)
thlaylierah obviously disagrees. That's okay. The game won't change for him, I think.
Ferengi, they hire big, strong unstable mercinaries and they run from a fight but not from somthing involving money. As my kdf says: Ferengi are cowardly worms!
Grand Master Thotok, son of Koloth, I.K.S. Sompek==Dahar Master Shanara, I.K.S. Balth'Quv
Admiral R'Tath V'Tirex, R.R.W. Dhael Glohha'enh==Commander Ta'eth Korval, R.R.W Hachae ch'Rhian==Admiral Vranuk, R.R.W Delevhas
This is a stratagy game, its not like every enemy has the same predictable tactic, you are supposed to adapt to their tactics and then they like any other enemy. Removing science as a class will make a lot of people including me very angry, so please, if the Hierarchy or Hirogen or Vaadwaur or whatever kill you with science or fancy combos dont come here to cry on and on and on about it, go back out there and TRY AGAIN! ADAPT! ADAPT LIKE THE BORG! RESISTANCE IS NOT FUTILE! NPC tactics makes the game chalenging and fun, not easy and boring.
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