As most people know, the Ferengi are pretty much the best and most interesting race in Star Trek. In the canon, they are certainly morally superior to other races.
Isn't it time they got a homeworld in STO? Marginal races like the Andorians, who are basically just extras in the show, have a homeworld.
I propose a Ferenginar Economic Adventure Zone, modeled on the Ferenginar shown so many times in the shows, and focused on commerce.
Banks of exchange terminals, mail terminals, and bank terminals, with a view of the magnificent Tower of Commerce.
Casinos with Dabo tables. Discount commodities.
And, in something that would be groundbreaking - rain.
It has come to me that there isn't rain anywhere in Star Trek Online. Adding in a weather effect like rain would make Ferenginar a showpiece for the game and how far it has come.
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It has come to me that there isn't rain anywhere in Star Trek Online. Adding in a weather effect like rain would make Ferenginar a showpiece for the game and how far it has come!
Agreed. A Ferenginar zone would have massive potential.
You could even introduced other games besides dabo. High stakes poker for ec or latinum, 3d chess, or kadiscot (spelling?) for example.
And you are right about rain, STO needs it. Its only logical.
In the canon, they are certainly morally superior to other races.
Patently false. Here's a short list of what the Ferengi find culturally acceptable:
workplace sexual harassment ETA: and r*pe by extortion
debt slavery a la the old company towns
slavery of non-Ferengi
women as second-class citizens (even in STO: see Farek in "Operation Gamma")
In a culture where bribery is considered common courtesy, are we supposed to believe that no Ferengi ever has bribed what passes for law enforcement to look the other way? Add dirty cops to the list.
I propose a Ferenginar Economic Adventure Zone, modeled on the Ferenginar shown so many times in the shows, and focused on commerce.
Banks of exchange terminals, mail terminals, and bank terminals, with a view of the magnificent Tower of Commerce.
Casinos with Dabo tables. Discount commodities.
What would the actual content be? If there's no reason to go there other than things you can do at any other social zone, folks are going to ignore it in favor of social zone that are on the way to places they actually need to go. Ferenginar is well off the existing travel lanes in STO.
And, in something that would be groundbreaking - rain.
It has come to me that there isn't rain anywhere in Star Trek Online. Adding in a weather effect like rain would make Ferenginar a showpiece for the game and how far it has come.
There's rain in the latest FE.
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I dont need ferenginar to get a home, because home is where you can cheat a customer. But it would still be really cool, something I am missing since I started playing this game.
It could be a start to integrate a NPC trading system, where you have to bring goods from planet A to planet B to earn some money. I heard from friends that there are players loving to do this all day long (elite dangerous). Or it could be a big casino planet, where we finally find some way to really get some EC out of the game.
Patently false. Here's a short list of what the Ferengi find culturally acceptable:
Just patently false to somebody who does not share that moral. Our well-deserved hubris gives us all the rights to claim our point of view is superior;)
If They ever decide to add a Civilian Trade/Freight faction to the game, the Ferengi would probably be at the top of the list to head it.
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i think we need feringer minimaly AS PLANET on map, sicne i didnt finded it there, and idealy it will be something similial like risa zone - with some unique minigames on feringear, abilyty to easy earn (and spend) latinium - and yes, EVERY use of turbolift will be payed in ltinium, wak on stairs instead .
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As most people know, the Ferengi are pretty much the best and most interesting race in Star Trek. In the canon, they are certainly morally superior to other races.
Isn't it time they got a homeworld in STO? Marginal races like the Andorians, who are basically just extras in the show, have a homeworld.
Once Andor works (it's been five years, Cryptic) and they've added Tellar.
See, for fans of Star Trek, there are certain things that should have been in the game from day one. A functional Andor and Tellar are two of these things.
Why?
Well, they're founders of the Federation. Andor, Earth, Tellar and Vulcan are the planets/races that founded the United Federation of Planets, according to Trek's "history."
The fact that we still, five years later, can't do anything at all on Andor (when there was supposed to be combat activities there) and that Tellar still doesn't exist at all in STO just points up how little they care about Star Trek at all.
No to Ferenginar until Andor and Tellar are sorted. Then, yes.
trust me, you dont want to see naked ferengi female.
hey now, my ferengi captain is actually quite beautiful, don't judge them all by a few examples
the only ferengi female we've ever even half-seen naked was Rom and Quark's mom, and there i agree with you...all those wrinkles....like looking at a hairless shar pei *shudders*
not that i dislike Moogie, she was an awesome character, just not naked >.>
and i do agree ferenginar would make an awesome planet for a visit, though i ALSO agree with the other people saying Andor and Tellar need to be passed over/added to the game before ferenginar
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They play a major role in ENT and the novels, and they're founding members of the Federation. The latter alone gives an Andoria revamp and the addition of Tellar Prime more legitimacy and cost-effectiveness than Ferenginar.
Ferengi are one of the best fleshed out, most interesting, fun, and central races to star trek.
You're entitled to your opinion. Mine is that the Ferengi are a bunch of flaming hypocrites who systematically abuse women, and who were never more than a sideshow to the Borg and the Dominion.
We've all seen ferenginar so many times in the show, isn't it about time we got to explore it in the game?
Until you can come up with some actual content for your proposed Ferenginar social zone, pass.
Here's an economic argument a supposed Ferengi should understand. It is cost-effective for Cryptic to add social and services hubs in, and create the art assets for, the Solanae and Jenolan Dyson Spheres because they're close to content. What content do you want your Ferenginar hub to be close to?
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They could put it anywhere basically, and it would be close to some kind of other content.
You could put a mission line that has players investigating an arms smuggling ring, or a resource trail that leads them to Ferenigar. It could be an adventure zone similar to Bajor, where you run around doing Fed-ex, button pushing, scan the x, or "Go see Cal", quests.
I haven't finished the delta mission chain because it bores me to death thanks to level requirements needed to progress through the chain (I was never a fan of Voyager), but as I recall there is that Ferengi that keeps showing up in the arc (I forget his name) who could be used as a mission hook for Ferenginar.
Pretty sure this is a Frequently Created Thread. Social zone are uninteresting for the vast majority of players. Unless there is an event running, obviously. Almost nobody ever goes to Vulcan or Andoria, for example.
Ferenginar would ends up the same way. Unless they do something for the place, but then, one might wonder why older social area didn't get the same improvement first.
From their creators themselves, the Ferengi were made to replace the Klingons as the TNG enemy. It didn't work. At all.
So they went for cartoonish modern Human in DS9. The episodes focusing on Ferengi are cartoonish on purpose.
They are greedy and misogynistic troll. Difficult to take them seriously. Their episodes are probably the most fun of DS9, and I had a good laugh with the The Magnificent Ferengi episode. Still one of my favorite from DS9.
And that's why the Ferengi should be kept for either Foundry mission, or random story mission. For what they do best : fun mission.
Pretty sure this is a Frequently Created Thread. Social zone are uninteresting for the vast majority of players. Unless there is an event running, obviously. Almost nobody ever goes to Vulcan or Andoria, for example.
Ferenginar would ends up the same way. Unless they do something for the place, but then, one might wonder why older social area didn't get the same improvement first.
What about Bajor? It's a social zone with missions. The same could be done for any social map.
From their creators themselves, the Ferengi were made to replace the Klingons as the TNG enemy. It didn't work. At all.
So they went for cartoonish modern Human in DS9. The episodes focusing on Ferengi are cartoonish on purpose.
They are greedy and misogynistic troll. Difficult to take them seriously. Their episodes are probably the most fun of DS9, and I had a good laugh with the The Magnificent Ferengi episode. Still one of my favorite from DS9.
And that's why the Ferengi should be kept for either Foundry mission, or random story mission. For what they do best : fun mission.
Right, the last thing this game needs is fun.
A Ferengi adventure zone that has little or no combat would be a nice change from all the Voyager stuff.
That was the most terrible thing I ever read in a forum. Seriously, I hope this isn't what you think. I mean, since it's payback, then it's fine.
If that was the most terrible thing you have read in a forum, especially this one, then you managed to avoid far worse posts/threads (those threads have been since deleted or the offending posts moderated). The person you were quoting didn't bring that topic to the table, one that didn't need to be there in the first place.
What about Bajor? It's a social zone with missions. The same could be done for any social map.
And Bajor is pretty much empty when there are no Omega particle to hunt. Beside a bunch of player doing the mission on Bajor, there is nobody else usually.
Right, the last thing this game needs is fun.
I never said that. I said a bunch of Ferengi mission, and Foundry mission involving Ferengi would be nice.
Ferengi are fun because of the stories they are involved in. Not because they are that fun by themselves.
A Ferengi adventure zone that has little or no combat would be a nice change from all the Voyager stuff.
Sure, but why Ferenginar would be the first to receive such treatment ? Why not older zone first ?
If that was the most terrible thing you have read in a forum, especially this one, then you managed to avoid far worse posts/threads (those threads have been since deleted or the offending posts moderated).
Guess I was lucky. It was still a terrible thing to say, and to think.
The person you were quoting didn't bring that topic to the table, one that didn't need to be there in the first place.
And Bajor is pretty much empty when there are no Omega particle to hunt. Beside a bunch of player doing the mission on Bajor, there is nobody else usually.
I never said that. I said a bunch of Ferengi mission, and Foundry mission involving Ferengi would be nice.
Ferengi are fun because of the stories they are involved in. Not because they are that fun by themselves.
Sure, but why Ferenginar would be the first to receive such treatment ? Why not older zone first ?
You are correct about Bajor as it is now. It was crowded when it was first introduced as a mission hub with the 2800 mission chain. The reason people are there at all is because of those missions. It would be the same for any social zone with missions, unless it's a faction hub, it's not going to be the center of the known universe after the novelty has worn off.
Those missions you suggest, could be tied into a new a new ferengi social zone.
The big problem with turning other social zones into mission hubs would be that they would be faction exclusive. Vulcan and Andoria are pretty firmly Federation, and I don't see KDF as being warmly welcomed there (would anyone get a warm welcome on Andoria?). That is the reason I don't see them putting too many resources into those places. Same would go for Rura Penthe (somehow I don't think a frozen Klingon prison planet would be a very good place for Federation citizens to find themselves).
That's what would make Ferenginar a good place for a new social hub. The Ferengi are less interested in your politics than they are your money (latinum).
This isn't to say that the developers should run and jump on this idea RIGHT NOW. There are other things that this game could really use, like more KDF ships .
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AFTER Andoria gets some proper attention.
Btw, Ferenginar does show up in one of the Undine STFs. But we hear you about wanting more from the planet itself.
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What "Not Rain" might look like. (It was fun turning the weather off by changing your uniform.)
And here too.
That aside, I support the addition of Ferenginar -- and really any planet in Star Trek.
This is why we can't have nice things.
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You could even introduced other games besides dabo. High stakes poker for ec or latinum, 3d chess, or kadiscot (spelling?) for example.
And you are right about rain, STO needs it. Its only logical.
We have rain in the new feature mission 'dust to dust'
I would also like to see more ferengi content like ferengi phasers and I know we have ferengi jackets what about the pants?
Ferengi reputation may be a little too much to ask but it would be nice because the GPL in the game can be used to fill that reputation.
And why is quark not in the game? Or grand nagus rom?
The ferengi ship from enterprise would also be a nice addition
Patently false. Here's a short list of what the Ferengi find culturally acceptable:
- workplace sexual harassment ETA: and r*pe by extortion
- debt slavery a la the old company towns
- slavery of non-Ferengi
- women as second-class citizens (even in STO: see Farek in "Operation Gamma")
- In a culture where bribery is considered common courtesy, are we supposed to believe that no Ferengi ever has bribed what passes for law enforcement to look the other way? Add dirty cops to the list.
The Andorians play as heavy a role in ENT as the Ferengi did in DS9. And I notice there's nothing to actually do on Andoria.What would the actual content be? If there's no reason to go there other than things you can do at any other social zone, folks are going to ignore it in favor of social zone that are on the way to places they actually need to go. Ferenginar is well off the existing travel lanes in STO.
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It could be a start to integrate a NPC trading system, where you have to bring goods from planet A to planet B to earn some money. I heard from friends that there are players loving to do this all day long (elite dangerous). Or it could be a big casino planet, where we finally find some way to really get some EC out of the game.
Just patently false to somebody who does not share that moral. Our well-deserved hubris gives us all the rights to claim our point of view is superior;)
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It should be the same with other homeworlds too.
Cait,
Ferasa,
The Gorn Homeworld.
Benthan homeworld.
Hazari
to name a few.
trust me, you dont want to see naked ferengi female.
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Thanks, I just threw up a little in my mouth.
Once Andor works (it's been five years, Cryptic) and they've added Tellar.
See, for fans of Star Trek, there are certain things that should have been in the game from day one. A functional Andor and Tellar are two of these things.
Why?
Well, they're founders of the Federation. Andor, Earth, Tellar and Vulcan are the planets/races that founded the United Federation of Planets, according to Trek's "history."
The fact that we still, five years later, can't do anything at all on Andor (when there was supposed to be combat activities there) and that Tellar still doesn't exist at all in STO just points up how little they care about Star Trek at all.
No to Ferenginar until Andor and Tellar are sorted. Then, yes.
hey now, my ferengi captain is actually quite beautiful, don't judge them all by a few examples
the only ferengi female we've ever even half-seen naked was Rom and Quark's mom, and there i agree with you...all those wrinkles....like looking at a hairless shar pei *shudders*
not that i dislike Moogie, she was an awesome character, just not naked >.>
and i do agree ferenginar would make an awesome planet for a visit, though i ALSO agree with the other people saying Andor and Tellar need to be passed over/added to the game before ferenginar
You're entitled to your opinion. Mine is that the Ferengi are a bunch of flaming hypocrites who systematically abuse women, and who were never more than a sideshow to the Borg and the Dominion.
Until you can come up with some actual content for your proposed Ferenginar social zone, pass.
Here's an economic argument a supposed Ferengi should understand. It is cost-effective for Cryptic to add social and services hubs in, and create the art assets for, the Solanae and Jenolan Dyson Spheres because they're close to content. What content do you want your Ferenginar hub to be close to?
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
You could put a mission line that has players investigating an arms smuggling ring, or a resource trail that leads them to Ferenigar. It could be an adventure zone similar to Bajor, where you run around doing Fed-ex, button pushing, scan the x, or "Go see Cal", quests.
I haven't finished the delta mission chain because it bores me to death thanks to level requirements needed to progress through the chain (I was never a fan of Voyager), but as I recall there is that Ferengi that keeps showing up in the arc (I forget his name) who could be used as a mission hook for Ferenginar.
Fereningar would be a nice change.
Ferenginar would ends up the same way. Unless they do something for the place, but then, one might wonder why older social area didn't get the same improvement first.
From their creators themselves, the Ferengi were made to replace the Klingons as the TNG enemy. It didn't work. At all.
So they went for cartoonish modern Human in DS9. The episodes focusing on Ferengi are cartoonish on purpose.
They are greedy and misogynistic troll. Difficult to take them seriously. Their episodes are probably the most fun of DS9, and I had a good laugh with the The Magnificent Ferengi episode. Still one of my favorite from DS9.
And that's why the Ferengi should be kept for either Foundry mission, or random story mission. For what they do best : fun mission.
That was the most terrible thing I ever read in a forum. Seriously, I hope this isn't what you think. I mean, since it's payback, then it's fine.
What about Bajor? It's a social zone with missions. The same could be done for any social map.
Right, the last thing this game needs is fun.
A Ferengi adventure zone that has little or no combat would be a nice change from all the Voyager stuff.
If that was the most terrible thing you have read in a forum, especially this one, then you managed to avoid far worse posts/threads (those threads have been since deleted or the offending posts moderated). The person you were quoting didn't bring that topic to the table, one that didn't need to be there in the first place.
I never said that. I said a bunch of Ferengi mission, and Foundry mission involving Ferengi would be nice.
Ferengi are fun because of the stories they are involved in. Not because they are that fun by themselves.
Sure, but why Ferenginar would be the first to receive such treatment ? Why not older zone first ?
Guess I was lucky. It was still a terrible thing to say, and to think. Agreed.
You are correct about Bajor as it is now. It was crowded when it was first introduced as a mission hub with the 2800 mission chain. The reason people are there at all is because of those missions. It would be the same for any social zone with missions, unless it's a faction hub, it's not going to be the center of the known universe after the novelty has worn off.
Those missions you suggest, could be tied into a new a new ferengi social zone.
The big problem with turning other social zones into mission hubs would be that they would be faction exclusive. Vulcan and Andoria are pretty firmly Federation, and I don't see KDF as being warmly welcomed there (would anyone get a warm welcome on Andoria?). That is the reason I don't see them putting too many resources into those places. Same would go for Rura Penthe (somehow I don't think a frozen Klingon prison planet would be a very good place for Federation citizens to find themselves).
That's what would make Ferenginar a good place for a new social hub. The Ferengi are less interested in your politics than they are your money (latinum).
This isn't to say that the developers should run and jump on this idea RIGHT NOW. There are other things that this game could really use, like more KDF ships
I am just providing support for the idea.
So, sure, +1 for a dedicated Ferenginar.