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wraithshadow13
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Title says it all.
This isn't about rage quitting, this isn't an angry post, this is just one man expressing his discontent with the sheer amount of grinding that has become this game. Between the xp, the sp, the dilithium, the mats, the upgrades, the alts, the everything...
It's just too much.
Feel free to post if you agree or not, and why. This thread is for showing the Devs that we're tired of grinding so much for so little, in hopes that they make a change for the better.
What do you guys think?
This isn't about rage quitting, this isn't an angry post, this is just one man expressing his discontent with the sheer amount of grinding that has become this game. Between the xp, the sp, the dilithium, the mats, the upgrades, the alts, the everything...
It's just too much.
Feel free to post if you agree or not, and why. This thread is for showing the Devs that we're tired of grinding so much for so little, in hopes that they make a change for the better.
What do you guys think?
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I wouldn't mind it if the grinding was made to be fun and not tedious. With the recent XP and reward nerfs to the STF's and level 50+ gains, it's beyond boring. I feel like the game has become TOO expensive in terms of both time AND money. What rubs me REALLY raw is that we subscribers have to grind as much as freebies. We paid AT LEAST $15/month for not much benefit. This is in addition to the optional shinies in the C-Store.
Still, if threads like this disappeared, the game would be ready to die. Nothing says "The End" more than "Acceptance".
So, carry on! At least it shows you still care.
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So there I was...doing X over and over. So there I was...also doing Y over and over. So there I was...even doing Z over and over. Now I earn additional rewards for doing X, Y, & Z over and over.
I don't see it as a grind, since I was already playing. They're rewarding me more for what I was already doing.
I can see where if somebody wasn't playing that much or whatever the case may be, that the feeling of now having to do something could be pretty annoying. It's just a case that I was playing before like that, and now I'm getting more out of it for what I was already doing.
It's funny too, because like some others, I even tried to sell myself the lie that because I was doing it on one of a dozen alts or so that I wasn't actually just playing the same content over and over...but I was - only for less rewards than I get now doing it with a single character.
I really feel like a lot of people DO care about this game, but I know i'm not the only one burning out due to the grind heavy gameplay. There is nothing wrong with wanting people to play your game often, and there is nothing wrong with having to work a little harder for the high end equipment, but the whole game shouldn't seem like a Sisyphean task. I was unable to play for almost two months due to a game breaking bug (in the literal sense, since it ctd'd every time i hit combat), but now that I'm back in, I'm burnt out a week later just because of how everything needs me to grind, and in some cases grind just to help me grind more (upgrades).
I don't want this to be a negative thread, but more of a heart felt plea. If anything, they should make everything account bound, just so you don't have to suffer for playing more than one character, and so your better characters can help the alts out, making the additional grind less irksome. It's a simple idea, but it would go a long way for a little amount of work.
- I was away for a couple of years so I'm not already burnt out on Deferra, Nukara, New Romulus, Dyson, Undine. That means I have a huge amount of content to choose from, I don't "need" to grind Delta.
- I don't care about making it to the top of leaderboards. Since I already know I'm not going to be in the top 100 DPSers I don't "need" to worry about crafting a CrtD x 4 Epic antiproton set to go with my plasma doping. That means I only need to craft "OK" gear or buy cheap items off of the exchange.
- I don't feel I "need" to earn all 90 spec points this week or my life is empty. I'll get to them eventually in my own good time.
- I don't "need" to make 100 Omega upgrades by grinding traces 8 hours a day. I'll probably only end up with 2-3 by doing a little extra grinding with the 15 dailies.
So my answer is, if you relax a little there isn't really a grind there is just playing a game. As long as that's fun for me I'll keep playing and the grind will mostly take care of itself.
No, my beef is more with the lack of progression that have built into the end game. Doing normal does not get you the gear nor the know how to do advanced. And Advanced doesn't get you better gear to get ready for Epic. Getting better gear just costs Dilithium. And if you have the money, you can get all the dilithium you want. The game has gone pay-to-win since the dil sinks have been added. Which means I get left being as I slowly and painfully work my way on One character to get the end game gear. Doesn't leave me time to play my alts. And that's where the fun was for me.
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Aside from what you're supposedly grinding for?
I just don't get these grind complaints. Why are you doing it?! Play the game if you like the game. Grind some content for specific rewards if you really want them, or just play the game normally and take what's given in the normal course. You don't need anything from the grind.
You post a youtube video of yourself!
Or you go to Kerrat and show off your new shiney and get killed...
I feel for ya OP, I used to grind STFs all the time, then they deleted the advanced Qs and I haven't touched them since. Do I miss them? No, because I did them all the time.
What do I miss? Exploration clusters, because I rarely touched them.
I've been here before as I've played five years and find I need a new approached now and again.
This time I'm looking forward to the Foundry being available in sector space and I've created 3 New toons with, Oberth, TOS Enterprise and an NX. I dont actually plan on changing these ships either so I'm looking forward to the challenge at higher levels.
The game is huge and there is actually a lot to do, as long as Cryptic keep adding things I'll keep playing
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at this point you should of quit while you were behind. its not angry or rage type of thread? and yet you claim your fed up with it which is a form of being angry at the status quo...
you gave cryptic the loaded gun and each time they shot you in the foot. next time dont give them a loaded gun. meaning, if you have a kind or nasty thing to state about their latest grind and you think its perfect or just horrible, they will likely come back the next year with another monstrosity. and if you dont like it maybe you should consider what you wrote at the start, to quit in rage..
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
And tell me: what are you Grinding for?
I am currently grinding to get back to where i was pre-DR.
I wasn´t one of the best performers back then but i could do every Elite STF with ease and in time with my Fleet AP weapons.
Now i can´t because i don´t have time or money to get all gear to Mk XIV or Epic and even then i would loose against DPS-Machines with CrtDx3 or x4. And also it will take me a long, long time to finish specialisations. Richt now i have 0 points in the primary specialisatios and also didn´t finish commando or Pilot. So there will be more and more content and i, asn a f2p fun player will not be able to keep up with it unless i am willing to spend a lot of Zen. I already spent far more than i usually would but i am not willing to keep doing that.
I am not willing to log in every day just do do Argala over and over again because the other missions don´t give enough XP to see the progress. I will not quit playing STo because i hope that things will change , get better, again but right now i am just logging in because its Star trek, not because its Fun or i enjoy playing it. And i if take a look at my fleets, i am not the only one. the list of inactive p(l)ayers is getting longer and longer.
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This is kind of the boat I'm in. I'm trying to get back to the level I was at pre-DR, in a post DR world, but everything seems like too much of a sink for time, money, resources. I've got my build mostly to par, but the upgrades are going to be an expensive undertaking. With the few peices I have left to acquire, it seems like it's taking a lot longer than it should for elite runs, and more so with the specializations. I didn't use and abuse the dewa trick to get maxed out, and I can't really grind argala for hours a day everyday, so it seems like filling a tree will be a pain, let alone multiple trees.
A grind or two isn't bad, but turning everything into a grind or pay, really seems to be a bit much. Yes, I don't have to grind or pay, but at the same time, the game is clearly designed to "suggest" that you do. Either for the gear you need to play at end game, or just to get the next best set for the sake of bettering your build. I'm not saying this game shouldn't have any grind, or that I'm angry (so I don't know why people are saying I am), I'm just pointing out that they've (in my opinion) added too much, and it takes away from the game. This isn't even including things like bugs, bad designs, or how far from the ideals of the IP this game really is. I just feel like they've added too much grinding and that the rewards aren't really worth it. More so if it takes the fun out of the game. I enjoy playing when I can, but I shouldn't feel pressured or punished just because i'm not grinding out every last upgrade and spending shiploads of dilithium just to have the best gear for elite content.
I know I'm not the only one either.
It would be nice to get more additions to the game that didn't require marks or dilithium or some new grindable/real world currency.
Hell, this game once upon a time. Remember when the 2-year anniversary was the full 2800 set of missions, no grind just a new mission each week? Or the 3 year was "Temporal Ambassador, hear ya go!" with no grind attached. You used to be able to just Finish a character, be done, and spend the rest of your time TRIBBLE around doing whatever ya felt like, no pressure to have to do anything because 'all your chores were done.' May have some drawbacks, but its totally possible.
I cannot fault your logic. I simply do not agree with your basic thesis, in my personal case. That is: I have not been doing X and Y and Z over again. Clearly, much of this is due to being a casual player, in a rather close knit fleet of gamers I know IRL. This is not the only game that they play, although it is the only MMO that I play. At the two year point now, I find that the new content I can play is not as expansive as what I saw with LOR roll out. I guess I expected future roll outs with dozens of new ships and dozens of missions. DR did go there... a little bit.
I would like more content. I would like it to be more Trek like, and less MMO like. I would enjoy more puzzle missions, and more story missions. I don't really care for the star actors as voice actors, since I am a fan of the Star Trek universe, not particular shows or actors. TOS had lots of shuttle missions and lots of ground missions. I would love to play these or something like them.
I am sad at the grindy-ness of minigames. My carpal tunnel and joint pains do not love little minigames with button mashing.
I will buy ZEN this month to support the enterprise (yes I mean Cryptic) and I hope others will as well, to continue the online Trek game I often enjoy. And in the hope of continued development.
I've asked before "why does this game NEED grinding?" and the two typical answers I get are:
1 - Because people would run through the content once and leave
2 - Because other MMO's have grinding. MMO [insert name] is worse.
The first one is a load of nonsense. I've played for years before the people at Cryptic found a copy of MMO Economics For Dummies with a few pages missing and applied their logical fallacy planning to the game.
The second one is just as ridiculous. If you complained about being mugged and were told "Everywhere has crime. Someone was killed last week" as a way of trying to explain that mugging is a good thing, what would you say to that?
Grinding isn't content. It's "Busy Work" and it's lazy. I don't know why people choose to ignore that fact.
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This memo seems to have been missed at Cryptic and instead its the eastern mmo fashion of 'how can we make this take even longer?'
This way, you don't miss out on anything, achieve anything without grinding, it simply needs longer, but you get to it anyway.
but, there is a goal behind grinding...atleast when grinding dilithium, which is to have enough ZEN when a new ship or whatever is released. You can bypass the grind by spending money though.
I find the best way to enjoy STO is to treat it not like an MMO, but like a single player adventure game.
Roll a new Captain, play through the content, hang around the endgame for a bit until it gets boring then delete the Captain once done.
Take a break for a few months, come back and repeat. By then new features are in place, new content has been added or current content has been revamped so it feels fresh.
There is no difference between the difficulties when it comes to the content itself, so you might as well stick to normal. Due to this there is no need to buy or grind towards the best gear or ships in the game when cheap stuff will get the job done.
On my latest guy I've not even bothered with reputations or specializations. There is simply no need for it.
Not everyone's cup of tea I'm sure, but it works best for me and I don't suffer from burnout.
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I agree totally.