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Protonic Polaron vs Thoron-Infused Polaron

flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
Which one is the better of the two (both for DPS and general use) and why? ...if anyone would be so kind as to explain. :)
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Unless you have an inherently high Crit Hit Rate, Protonic Polaron.

    Otherwise, in general, none of them.

    Thoron Infused Polarons are a failure.
    - The radiation damage is an absolute joke. No amount of Radiation boosts from Delta Rep and 8472 Rep will make this perform even on a mediocre level.
    - The placate doesn't last long because there's probably a damage threshold that's easily broken to cancel the placate (like how easy it is to break Jam Sensors with your own damage).

    Everything about Thoron Infused Polarons and their procs are a dismal failure.

    Protonic Polarons? They have long been a controversial weapon if you're looking for performance since their introduction with S8. If you want to increase the proc damage, very few possible sources to do that. The best of which are the Dyson TAC Consoles, but fitting those murders your base weapon's damage boost as well as nuking your crit rate. But if you use a Spire TAC Console, it'll increase your base weapon's damage and crit hit, but not the strength of the proc.

    If you insist on Polarons and are doing a drain build, regular Polarons, esp R&D Polarons would be better.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Well that's ultimately disappointing, though I did suspect such. Might be worth my while sticking with the other four weapon types, and leaving both Polaron and Tetryon the hell alone! :P
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  • mhirtescmhirtesc Member Posts: 581 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I like my Advanced Thoron LOLaron build the best. I have the Delta rep Dual ones, mainly because I have a unique build that carries as many set bonuses as I can cram in, so I wanted .
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Whilst you mhirtesc might like your Thoron build, is it any good, or have you found it to be? Or is it that you just like it for the pretty colours and sound effects? ;)
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  • mreeves7amreeves7a Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Biggest strike against the Thoron-Infused Polarons is that they're polaron in name only. No customary power drain proc, instead they get some really underwhelming radiation DoT, they're really just plasmas with typos to me.
  • lordsteve1lordsteve1 Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I've been testing the Delta rep beam on my ships. I've got it mainly for the 3pc set (Isokinetic Cannon) which is downright lethal if you have high parti-gens so it fits well on my Pathfinder I find.

    That being said....the proc on the array is pitiful, and I've barely noticed it doing anything. People say tetryon or phasers are no use, well this is a new contender for 1st place in that race. If you will use Polaron weapons stick with the basic type, at least you get a decent assortment of mods to pick from then.
    I don't think any of the specialist energy types are any good really except for maybe Dominion Polaron and Caustic & Romulan Plasma.
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    IMO, straight up polaron (fleet or, regular) or, dominion & phased polaron are useful, the 2 rep polarons is pretty underwhelming to me anyways.
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  • z3ndor99z3ndor99 Member Posts: 1,391 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Wait for the new lockbox weapons.... wait.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    z3ndor99 wrote: »
    Wait for the new lockbox weapons.... wait.
    Likely some form of Polaron-Anti Proton mix? That's what I figure.

    Regardless, eventually they're going to run out of hybrid weapon ideas. :eek:
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  • jeldardarkmantlejeldardarkmantle Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Would the generic beam and cannon fleet tac consoles work to buff the polaron damage and the proc? Has anyone tested?
  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited January 2015
    Everything about Thoron Infused Polarons and their procs are a dismal failure.

    Plus, they're GOLD, and they hate the hyphen. :P

    Personally, I'm holding out hope for Vaadwaur Polaron. :D
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  • ginobaldelli823ginobaldelli823 Member Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    flash525 wrote: »
    Which one is the better of the two (both for DPS and general use) and why? ...if anyone would be so kind as to explain. :)

    This is the Thoron build I am using and have had no problems with any advanced que, havent tried my luck in elite ques yet.

    http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=lia_2083
  • nickodaemusnickodaemus Member Posts: 711 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I had fun using a "rainbow" polaron setup.

    I had the Breen set upgraded to Mk XII + the new core, and used the Delta Beam array with the Bioneural gel pack. if you use torps, get the third piece of the Delta set or use the breen transphasic torps. I did it both ways, using the deltas torp on an escort, and RR transphasic + cluster with 6 beams on a cruiser. Get two thoron, two protonic, and whatever else you can afford (or like) for the rest. I managed to get 10k on an Eclipse with it using 6 beams and 2 torps.
  • mhirtescmhirtesc Member Posts: 581 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    flash525 wrote: »
    Whilst you mhirtesc might like your Thoron build, is it any good, or have you found it to be? Or is it that you just like it for the pretty colours and sound effects? ;)


    Well Mister Smartypants, I think it actually does quite well for the task, which is to deplete the target's power levels, as well as put out a darn good amount of DPS for a Sci ship. I tend to rank First Place most of the time on CE Advanced for example, and can help drop a Borg ship's power levels enough to make it almost soloable. Combined with the right consoles and Traits, LOLarons are effective.
  • mhirtescmhirtesc Member Posts: 581 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    z3ndor99 wrote: »
    Wait for the new lockbox weapons.... wait.

    They'll just be yet another AP type I bet. Wonder what new color they'll add to the checkerboard pattern this time?
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    mhirtesc wrote: »
    Well Mister Smartypants, I think it actually does quite well for the task, which is to deplete the target's power levels, as well as put out a darn good amount of DPS for a Sci ship. I tend to rank First Place most of the time on CE Advanced for example, and can help drop a Borg ship's power levels enough to make it almost soloable. Combined with the right consoles and Traits, LOLarons are effective.
    No need to patronize.
    mhirtesc wrote: »
    They'll just be yet another AP type I bet. Wonder what new color they'll add to the checkerboard pattern this time?
    Sunburst Orange?
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  • bismarck1975bismarck1975 Member Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Well, I've posted on many other threads about Protonic polarons....but a quick answer to the thoron polarons is they are garbage. The placate is near useless, the damage proc is LOL and they have no real practical use over any other polaron type. That said, protonic polaron uses a damage proc that most enemies have zero resistance to. This is very noticeable if you have a high crit % build.

    Not to mention, you can get a bump in damage from the Jem Hadar 2pc set. The shield is actually quite good. Just be sure to focus on building polaron damage and take the proton for what it is....just a added bonus. The dyson 3 piece also adds proton damage and makes the grav torp amazing. (arguably one of the best torps in game). Win, Win all around. The experimental proton wep is also good in that it is not highly resisted and it shoots fairly quick(better dps). Not to mention its nice mods for crit chance. But ymmv.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    mhirtesc wrote: »
    Well Mister Smartypants, I think it actually does quite well for the task, which is to deplete the target's power levels, as well as put out a darn good amount of DPS for a Sci ship. I tend to rank First Place most of the time on CE Advanced for example, and can help drop a Borg ship's power levels enough to make it almost soloable. Combined with the right consoles and Traits, LOLarons are effective.
    Once again, personal score in CE means nothing. It takes a lot of data into account, and for example, healing is more important than everything else.

    Basically, bring a valdore console, spam BFAW, and you are first place. Doesn't mean you were actually useful, you just have a crazy amount of healing, and a good amount of DPS.


    Not to say your ship/build is bad, I'm just tired to see people taking one of the less adapted tool ever to prove their ship works.


    Just as an example, I used to be 1rst place with my wells and his puny 5-8K DPS. How ? Healing people. I was pretty much useless, but hey, first place.
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  • mhirtescmhirtesc Member Posts: 581 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    flash525 wrote: »
    No need to patronize.

    Well, don't accuse me of choosing beam types based on colors and sounds like it's some Fisher-Price toy, and we'll be fine.

    IMO, I never really liked AP type.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    mhirtesc wrote: »
    Well, don't accuse me of choosing beam types based on colors and sounds like it's some Fisher-Price toy, and we'll be fine.
    You have a short fuse or something, or do you just lack a sense of humour?

    I wasn't throwing harsh accusations at you (you'll notice, my post in question included one of these) >>> ;) - such icons usually imply a non-sinister voice. I was merely asking a question (cause some people do pick their weapons for their colours). Lighten up!
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited January 2015
    Thorou insist on Polarons and are doing a drain build, regular Polarons, esp R&D Polarons would be better.

    For drain builds, I'd say the best 3 options are:
    Dominion polarons - 100% pure drain procs
    Polarized disruptors or polarons [pen] - Well these you can get 2 diff ways since a polaron with [pen] is the same thing.
    Phased polarons - Disable and drain

    That being said, simple polaron weapons suffice for a drain build.

    Forgot to mention, because of how buggy this game is, protonic polarons are sometimes a good option, just not for a drain build.
  • ussprometheus79ussprometheus79 Member Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    lucho80 wrote: »
    For drain builds, I'd say the best 3 options are:
    Dominion polarons - 100% pure drain procs
    Polarized disruptors or polarons [pen] - Well these you can get 2 diff ways since a polaron with [pen] is the same thing.
    Phased polarons - Disable and drain

    That being said, simple polaron weapons suffice for a drain build.

    Forgot to mention, because of how buggy this game is, protonic polarons are sometimes a good option, just not for a drain build.

    I'd go with this, but that's only from my experience and how I feel the gear has performed.
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  • ginobaldelli823ginobaldelli823 Member Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    flash525 wrote: »
    You have a short fuse or something, or do you just lack a sense of humour?

    I wasn't throwing harsh accusations at you (you'll notice, my post in question included one of these) >>> ;) - such icons usually imply a non-sinister voice. I was merely asking a question (cause some people do pick their weapons for their colours). Lighten up!

    Think that person needs to see a Proctologist.
  • mhirtescmhirtesc Member Posts: 581 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Think that person needs to see a Proctologist.

    Still think it's funny that people actually look down on Polarons as a weapon type. In the past FIVE years of playing this game, I've tried them all and found Pols to be the best by far.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    edited January 2015
    flash525 wrote: »
    Well that's ultimately disappointing, though I did suspect such. Might be worth my while sticking with the other four weapon types, and leaving both Polaron and Tetryon the hell alone! :P

    Hey... I've had some decent success with a Phased Polaron build on a Breen Raider. And I used Phased Tetryon on my Assault Cruiser Refit, with the Nukara set, appropriate damage consoles, and 2 piece Console/Mine Nukara set.
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  • paxfederaticapaxfederatica Member Posts: 1,496 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I use protonic polaron beams mainly on builds designed to fight the Voth - that's where they seem to be most effective.

    Otherwise, for a general-purpose power drain build, regular polaron beams work just fine, and I was able to get rare Mk XIIs fairly cheaply on the Exchange. This was some time ago though, so I have no idea how much they'd cost now.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Hey... I've had some decent success with a Phased Polaron build on a Breen Raider. And I used Phased Tetryon on my Assault Cruiser Refit, with the Nukara set, appropriate damage consoles, and 2 piece Console/Mine Nukara set.
    I have yet to try Phased Polaron, though (if they're not too costly) I may invest in some.
    I use protonic polaron beams mainly on builds designed to fight the Voth - that's where they seem to be most effective.
    I have these on my Fleet Support Cruiser, the problem is she fails hard when I run an Omega STF. Protonic Polarons just don't seem to cut it when fighting the Borg.
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I have had lots of success with just plain polarons. I acquired the Breen Singularity Core from QWW and then went and ran through the Breen missions to re acquire the rest of the Breen Set. Upgraded the Set to Mk XII and then put everything onto an MU Mogai. Works well in PvE. It's not a 'pure' Drain Boat as such, but I can hold my own in the Dyson Sphere and in most of the DQ missions and patrols without having to work too hard.

    I'd suggest Dominion Polarons next, coupled with the Jem'Hadar Set. One of my Fleeties runs this and he seems to do very well.

    Polarized Disruptors are hit or miss in my experience. When they work, they're spot on. But there always seems to be some reason they are not utilizing their full potential.

    As to Tetryons. I have a complete Nukara Rep Set with all the goodies. They work fine in the DQ and the Dyson Sphere. They seem to be very effective against the Hirogen, the Voth and the Malon. The Destabilized version also seems to work well.

    I have no DPS parser to back any of these opinions up. I just look at the little green numbers coming off the target. ;)
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  • huntorhuntor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    Necro!

    Also, the Vaadwaur polaron: reduce shield resist by 10% for energy weapons also reduce shield resist for kinectic dmg by 50%

    You can get the dual heavies for 40k EC on the exchange but beams are 1-2 millions :-/

    Goes well vith the Vaadwaur cluster torp or the Neutronic, BAM!
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