I had started out typing a pretty long list of all the ways one could impede or negatively impact their DPS, but I got bored as I realized that they were all pretty much the basics one might assume somebody would have picked up even as a new player while playing through that level 1-50 or 1-60.
They're all those little things that some players take for granted, don't even think about, because they did pick it up while leveling the toon. But the way leveling is set up, the way the missions are set up, it's entirely possible for somebody to go through and not pick any of it up.
There really isn't any kind of feedback on most of it to let that player know what their performance is like. So later, when they get into something where performance actually matter - they may end up wildly out of place.
I have complained about this in the game for years now. When you level there is no feedback or challenge to anything you do, if you fail, you respawn endlessly and eventually muster through the mission. Since there is so much broken in the game, most players seem to assume its not them that is wrong, its just another broken thing.
There is nothing in the game that tells you how to set up a ship, at all. New ships come with the worst gear in the worst places, you might think it was viable.. but its a disaster. The tooltips for the abilities for Boffs tell you nothing at all, and you've never had enough spare XP to through around and play with your Boffs without severely gimping yourself.
There are no test ships or testing grounds. There is no library or reference in game for how any ship systems or stats work at all. Ya, its easy to see why you have <1k DPS and 100k DPSers.
And not one of those runs is a miniscule 101 seconds with three players doing massive DPS. Did you read sarcasmdetector's parse of the run in question? Hell have you read ANYTHING? Because you haven't comprehended a good godsdamned thing and you just stick to the same talking points over and over and over.
One last time. I do NOT have problems on that mission 99 times out of 100. There is ONLY an issue when extreme DPS minimaxers come in and vape everything in sight in barely over a minute and a half. What part of that do you fail to understand?
Of course my ship and build could improve, what the f#ck do you think I'm grinding for? Unless you're going to pay for my gear, then you can shove your opinion up your TRIBBLE$. I'm getting the stuff as fast as I can.
Getting hit with a two hour cooldown when I'm just doing what the game tells me to do (grind missions to earn points for better gear) sure as f#ck isn't helping me earn it any faster.
Not sure I understand this.
You TRIBBLE up pretty big, got a penalty for it, came here to complain, and now you keep coming back to get angry at others?
If you aren't set up for Advanced, stop playing it and go back to normal. You've clearly been leaching off of better players this whole time thinking you are good enough.
The reality is, even quest gear can get you over 10k DPS these days
There is nothing in the game that tells you how to set up a ship, at all. New ships come with the worst gear in the worst places, you might think it was viable.. but its a disaster.
Man, that Dyson science ship they give you... I had to run that mission 3 times (back to back) so my alt could collect the suits, and gorram was it frustrating how crappily it's set up.
I don't think even the most ignorant noob would have set it up so poorly. :mad:
Just speaking for myself here, but I wasn't in an Advanced queue.
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Though my run was bad even for me, I was about 5-10 seconds behind my team mates and I didn't want to full boost (full impulse?) because I've read your pets might not even catch you up (bug) but even just being behind that small amount, the cubes were dead by the time I got there, and there was only a few spheres to shoot.
The Scripted part then happened and I was able to attack the 'cigar' shaped Borg for a bit but then got 1 hitted, respawned, then got a few shots on the queen (diamond shaped Borg), at a guess I'd say my match last about 1 minute (or at least seemed to be that short).
Because these two threads have now been merged I feel the need to explain what happened in my match (and to separate myself from the other OP). I really don't think I did anything wrong, it was my first time doing that match and sorry, but I'm not gonna rush headlong into an enemy in a match where I'm not sure what to do, so I follow other peoples lead, what they attack I then attack.
I do think an AFK penalty is needed, to stop people from receiving rewards for doing nothing, but the way they have it now seems broken IMO.
I believe you, and that remark wasn't directed at your dilemma. Apologies if I was unclear.
There is nothing in the game that tells you how to set up a ship, at all. New ships come with the worst gear in the worst places, you might think it was viable.. but its a disaster.
I keep wondering about this. It sends a bad message from the beginning when a ship comes equipped with a mixture of heavy cannons, torpedoes, and beams. I didn't know it wasn't in the least optimal to use this combination in the beginning, as a result- and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Man, that Dyson science ship they give you... I had to run that mission 3 times (back to back) so my alt could collect the suits, and gorram was it frustrating how crappily it's set up.
I don't think even the most ignorant noob would have set it up so poorly. :mad:
Heh, the only thing worse that the setups they give folks when flying other ships like that in missions are the setups Smirk shows off during livestreams...
I believe you, and that remark wasn't directed at your dilemma. Apologies if I was unclear.
No need to apologise
I just sort of wanted to make it clear to the readers (because of how the threads were merged, and how posters previous to that were mentioning the OP in their comments) that it was two different cases, also I just didn't want to be lumped together with the 'other' OP
Man, that Dyson science ship they give you... I had to run that mission 3 times (back to back) so my alt could collect the suits, and gorram was it frustrating how crappily it's set up.
I don't think even the most ignorant noob would have set it up so poorly. :mad:
The bortas was a nice example of fail: 2 Cannon-abilities, but no cannon on board (Console aside, as it doesnt interact with them).
Usual thing is uni-consoles in limited tacslots. Now they give you combined abilities so the ships wont suck that hard...
I think one of the underlying problems is the question I haven't seen properly asked yet. Why are the top .1% performing players and some of the bottom performing players choosing to play the same content?
Why is the normal version of this queue not played?
Why is their no elite version of this queue? If you could get away with simply increasing the HP/DMG in any queue I'd say CC is the one to do so.
Clearly you don't understand jack **** and I'm a bit tired of explaining it. But what the hell, right?
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I am a reasonable player with reasonable expectations, not an entitled douchenozzle throwing a temper tantrum. There is a difference.
Again, the presumption that anyone who runs into this issue is among "the bottom performing players" despite repeatedly being informed that is not the case.
I'll repeat one of my points made above, which you notably snipped out rather than addressing to skip straight to the obvious cheap shot:
I can handle the content just fine on a consistent basis, doing sufficient damage to complete the mission in a reasonable amount of time. What I can NOT do is do enough damage quickly enough to be counted as participating in a run where extreme DPS players vape everything in seconds. That is the issue, no more and no less.
This has been explained over, and over, and over again and yet some people refuse to get it.
Again, how are you measuring your supposed "sufficient damage?" 3rd place in CCA won't do it.
So frequently scoring better than two other players on my team is "not sufficient" evidence? How about regularly completing other queued instances and regular content throughout the game without significant difficulty? If I was struggling all the time or even more than once in a blue moon only when teamed with certain extreme DPS players that would be one thing, but that is not the case.
Once scoring third place in the queued mission under discussion would be a random occurrence, but doing so frequently establishes a pattern. That pattern establishes pretty conclusively that my performance with that character is firmly middle of the pack and well within the average range.
I can go into CCA with garbage weapons and no thought whatsoever on my Varanus, and place at least 3rd right now, while I eat a sandwich. That doesn't mean I'm doing a competent amount of DPS, or even proactively healing.
So why doesn't everyone? Clearly I am frequently outperforming 2 members of a 5 man team, meaning that I cannot be unusually weak. A frequent 3/5 is in fact the very definition of middle of the pack average, neither exceptionally good nor exceptionally bad. That's basic mathematics.
If you have auto heal drones (an instant advantage), and you're bragging about NOT placing 1st place in CCA, there's something wrong.
You automatically have an advantage over everyone else, yet you still get the bare minimum it affords you.
Everything you state hints that you regularly leech off of everyone else's performance, and you've offered no evidence to the contrary except "You aren't listening!" and random insults.
So frequently scoring better than two other players on my team is "not sufficient" evidence? How about regularly completing other queued instances and regular content throughout the game without significant difficulty? If I was struggling all the time or even more than once in a blue moon only when teamed with certain extreme DPS players that would be one thing, but that is not the case.
Once scoring third place in the queued mission under discussion would be a random occurrence, but doing so frequently establishes a pattern. That pattern establishes pretty conclusively that my performance with that character is firmly middle of the pack and well within the average range.
Scoring in CC is based both on healing and damage. With healing many things in the game allow for 'overhealing' and artificially inflate your score. Furthermore unless you actually show your build, or some actual data on your build's damage output capabilities I will continue to assume, considering the evidence of you being destroyed instantly by tholians and not even dealing 1% of the damage in a 10 person even by your own admission, are under performing in the damage dealing department.
Your 3rd place position means absolutely nothing because of how the position is determined. Your ability to complete other content, likely on normal difficulty, means even less. Ability to complete other group content when it might be your contribution, or that of your teammates, means very little as well.
I am not in any way attempting to insult you. I have absolutely no problems with someone such as yourself being in my team when I join PuGs.
I have a problem with how the design of this game creates the problem you are experiencing. I have a problem with you blaming other players, whom are only guilty of being high performing teammates, for the reduction of your enjoyment and implying they should not be allowed to play in PuGs. That is where your 'entitlement' is bothering me.
No guide is perfect, and it is a little slow at the beginning since it's made for a huge range of audiences, but I learned a few things that I did not know, like the overdriving of weapons power. My Azure Rescue DPS went from 9k to 15k and Azure Rescue isn't exactly a high DPS score STF anyway, since you have a few targets that are far apart and competition for kills.
I recommend it for anyone getting less than 10K DPS for sure and even other players might learn a thing or two.
Space the final frontier. These are the voyages of [your name here] on a five year mission to gain one level after the delta rising xp nerf.
Clearly you don't understand jack **** and I'm a bit tired of explaining it. But what the hell, right?
As to "oh this person has been making anti-complaining posts, they're a hypocrite!" that is laughable. I have never claimed the game was perfect, and I did not insult Cryptic or the developers as so many have these last few months. I reported an issue, because games made by imperfect humans have those and I am providing feedback concerning said issue. I do hope Cryptic will address it at some point, but I understand they cannot drop everything and respond to every single issue on a prompt basis. I am a reasonable player with reasonable expectations, not an entitled douchenozzle throwing a temper tantrum. There is a difference.
That is all.
This isn't an alt for Geko is it? Because I feel like it is, and we're being punk'd.
Space the final frontier. These are the voyages of [your name here] on a five year mission to gain one level after the delta rising xp nerf.
I didn't have a CHANCE to contribute anything! That is the entire damned point!
As I also said, "I cannot kill what is already dead. "Target that explosion and fire" is a nice line for a Star Trek film but it doesn't count towards completion in an STO mission."
Your willful ignorance is stunning.
Your "chance" was wasted by impotently exploding. And by not paying attention. That is your fault. Not mine. Not Cryptic's. Not another player's. Yours. You got busted for it.
What part of "It's an "AFK penalty", not a "Blew Up Once And Had To Respawn penalty", so clearly something isn't working the way it's supposed to" did you fail to comprehend?
One could also ask you which part of "the system deemed you inactive due to a combination of factors" you fail to comprehend. Yelling and ranting will not solve your problem, nor will continuously repeating the same point over and over again. We get it. The AFK penalty sometimes nabs people who were active just not active enough by its measurements. Unfortunately, the penalty is not going to go away, no matter how much you complain about it.
Also, you took a brand new ship into a queue before you were sure where all the controls were. You need to know your ship before you take it into a queue, regardless of how often you've run the queue before. If you were already familiar with your ship, you shouldn't have had an issue at all.
What part of "It's an "AFK penalty", not a "Blew Up Once And Had To Respawn penalty", so clearly something isn't working the way it's supposed to" did you fail to comprehend?
Honestly? I don't believe your story. Here's what I think happened:
You normally zone into CCA, pop the auto healing drone console, maybe shoot a few things, and get rewards. This is free rewards while you do other things.
This time, you zoned into one already in progress. You popped the healing drone console, and went about doing something else entirely. Maybe DOFFing. Maybe toying with your loadout. This isn't normally a problem, you see, because you popped the heal drones which get you your heals.
I think you zoned in too close to a Tholian or two, and noticed (too late) that they were firing on you. You hit spacebar, but it was too late. You did jack for damage, and died.
Absolutely nothing you have stated logically contradicts this. The more you drone on and on about it, the more your "story" is looked at.
Today I joined a Crystalline Catastrophe Advanced queue, and I got in there as normal and started shooting Tholians on the way to the Entity. I got overwhelmed while trying to sort out some of the controls on my new ship and blew up. Ok, no big deal. I fly back in with my issue sorted (getting Tactical mode selected on my new Dyson destroyer) and re-engaged the Tholian I had been fighting. While I was doing that, the screen goes purple and I get the reward message pop up. I was confused, thinking that was really fast, but I check it and move on.
Only later, after waiting out the normal cooldown, do I realize I have been assessed an AFK penalty. I can only imagine it was because I wasn't able to do enough damage in the short time I was in. I find it hard to imagine even high DPS guys could have vaped the Entity that quickly, so I probably got tossed in the mission while it was already running.
So why does the game put us into missions that are already going when we have no time to do much and then hit us with an AFK penalty for it? I didn't choose to join an already running instance, the game did that to me all on it's own.
Has this ever happened to anyone else?
Yes, it happened to me as well just a few moments ago. Game started as always. Some players shot at the entity as I supported the guys firing at the Tholians. During this I had a short "waiting server to respond" for about 20-30 seconds. After I tried to target the crystalline entity it blew up and the mission was finished. The mission itself took maybe about 3-4 minutes.
You can image how surprised I was after realising that instead of some rewards I got punished for "beeing" afk. That's not nice :-(
I didn't have a CHANCE to contribute anything! That is the entire damned point!
As I also said, "I cannot kill what is already dead. "Target that explosion and fire" is a nice line for a Star Trek film but it doesn't count towards completion in an STO mission."
Your willful ignorance is stunning.
You werent able to contribute because you had to sort out your tray and blew up. That is your own fault.
What part of "It's an "AFK penalty", not a "Blew Up Once And Had To Respawn penalty", so clearly something isn't working the way it's supposed to" did you fail to comprehend?
Why don't you stop thinking of it as an AFK penalty and think of it as a Not Contributing to the match penalty? Endlessly yelling at people in the forums and insulting them, when they clearly know more than you only makes you look like a moron.
About scoring in CC. DPS is actually ranked pretty low on the score. I've parsed this numerous times, been a clear out winner by a large margin DPS wise but ranked not first. The problem is you need to suck just enough to take damage, you need to clip those shards. Healing has a huge multiple on the score, if you aren't taking damage you aren't healing enough to place. Its one of the few missions that rewards more than DPS, unfortunately it doesn't penalize you for being bad and getting hit, causing damage buffs to go to the CE.
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I have complained about this in the game for years now. When you level there is no feedback or challenge to anything you do, if you fail, you respawn endlessly and eventually muster through the mission. Since there is so much broken in the game, most players seem to assume its not them that is wrong, its just another broken thing.
There is nothing in the game that tells you how to set up a ship, at all. New ships come with the worst gear in the worst places, you might think it was viable.. but its a disaster. The tooltips for the abilities for Boffs tell you nothing at all, and you've never had enough spare XP to through around and play with your Boffs without severely gimping yourself.
There are no test ships or testing grounds. There is no library or reference in game for how any ship systems or stats work at all. Ya, its easy to see why you have <1k DPS and 100k DPSers.
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Not sure I understand this.
You TRIBBLE up pretty big, got a penalty for it, came here to complain, and now you keep coming back to get angry at others?
If you aren't set up for Advanced, stop playing it and go back to normal. You've clearly been leaching off of better players this whole time thinking you are good enough.
The reality is, even quest gear can get you over 10k DPS these days
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Man, that Dyson science ship they give you... I had to run that mission 3 times (back to back) so my alt could collect the suits, and gorram was it frustrating how crappily it's set up.
I don't think even the most ignorant noob would have set it up so poorly. :mad:
I believe you, and that remark wasn't directed at your dilemma. Apologies if I was unclear.
I keep wondering about this. It sends a bad message from the beginning when a ship comes equipped with a mixture of heavy cannons, torpedoes, and beams. I didn't know it wasn't in the least optimal to use this combination in the beginning, as a result- and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Heh, the only thing worse that the setups they give folks when flying other ships like that in missions are the setups Smirk shows off during livestreams...
No need to apologise
I just sort of wanted to make it clear to the readers (because of how the threads were merged, and how posters previous to that were mentioning the OP in their comments) that it was two different cases, also I just didn't want to be lumped together with the 'other' OP
The bortas was a nice example of fail: 2 Cannon-abilities, but no cannon on board (Console aside, as it doesnt interact with them).
Usual thing is uni-consoles in limited tacslots. Now they give you combined abilities so the ships wont suck that hard...
Why is the normal version of this queue not played?
Why is their no elite version of this queue? If you could get away with simply increasing the HP/DMG in any queue I'd say CC is the one to do so.
Are you sure?
Again, how are you measuring your supposed "sufficient damage?" 3rd place in CCA won't do it.
I can go into CCA with garbage weapons and no thought whatsoever on my Varanus, and place at least 3rd right now, while I eat a sandwich. That doesn't mean I'm doing a competent amount of DPS, or even proactively healing.
If you have auto heal drones (an instant advantage), and you're bragging about NOT placing 1st place in CCA, there's something wrong.
You automatically have an advantage over everyone else, yet you still get the bare minimum it affords you.
Everything you state hints that you regularly leech off of everyone else's performance, and you've offered no evidence to the contrary except "You aren't listening!" and random insults.
Scoring in CC is based both on healing and damage. With healing many things in the game allow for 'overhealing' and artificially inflate your score. Furthermore unless you actually show your build, or some actual data on your build's damage output capabilities I will continue to assume, considering the evidence of you being destroyed instantly by tholians and not even dealing 1% of the damage in a 10 person even by your own admission, are under performing in the damage dealing department.
Your 3rd place position means absolutely nothing because of how the position is determined. Your ability to complete other content, likely on normal difficulty, means even less. Ability to complete other group content when it might be your contribution, or that of your teammates, means very little as well.
I am not in any way attempting to insult you. I have absolutely no problems with someone such as yourself being in my team when I join PuGs.
I have a problem with how the design of this game creates the problem you are experiencing. I have a problem with you blaming other players, whom are only guilty of being high performing teammates, for the reduction of your enjoyment and implying they should not be allowed to play in PuGs. That is where your 'entitlement' is bothering me.
No guide is perfect, and it is a little slow at the beginning since it's made for a huge range of audiences, but I learned a few things that I did not know, like the overdriving of weapons power. My Azure Rescue DPS went from 9k to 15k and Azure Rescue isn't exactly a high DPS score STF anyway, since you have a few targets that are far apart and competition for kills.
I recommend it for anyone getting less than 10K DPS for sure and even other players might learn a thing or two.
This isn't an alt for Geko is it? Because I feel like it is, and we're being punk'd.
You contributed nothing, got rewards, then a penalty for contributing nothing, and getting rewards.
I'm sorry you somehow see that as not working. :rolleyes:
Your "chance" was wasted by impotently exploding. And by not paying attention. That is your fault. Not mine. Not Cryptic's. Not another player's. Yours. You got busted for it.
One could also ask you which part of "the system deemed you inactive due to a combination of factors" you fail to comprehend. Yelling and ranting will not solve your problem, nor will continuously repeating the same point over and over again. We get it. The AFK penalty sometimes nabs people who were active just not active enough by its measurements. Unfortunately, the penalty is not going to go away, no matter how much you complain about it.
Also, you took a brand new ship into a queue before you were sure where all the controls were. You need to know your ship before you take it into a queue, regardless of how often you've run the queue before. If you were already familiar with your ship, you shouldn't have had an issue at all.
Honestly? I don't believe your story. Here's what I think happened:
You normally zone into CCA, pop the auto healing drone console, maybe shoot a few things, and get rewards. This is free rewards while you do other things.
This time, you zoned into one already in progress. You popped the healing drone console, and went about doing something else entirely. Maybe DOFFing. Maybe toying with your loadout. This isn't normally a problem, you see, because you popped the heal drones which get you your heals.
I think you zoned in too close to a Tholian or two, and noticed (too late) that they were firing on you. You hit spacebar, but it was too late. You did jack for damage, and died.
Absolutely nothing you have stated logically contradicts this. The more you drone on and on about it, the more your "story" is looked at.
Yes, it happened to me as well just a few moments ago. Game started as always. Some players shot at the entity as I supported the guys firing at the Tholians. During this I had a short "waiting server to respond" for about 20-30 seconds. After I tried to target the crystalline entity it blew up and the mission was finished. The mission itself took maybe about 3-4 minutes.
You can image how surprised I was after realising that instead of some rewards I got punished for "beeing" afk. That's not nice :-(
You werent able to contribute because you had to sort out your tray and blew up. That is your own fault.
Why don't you stop thinking of it as an AFK penalty and think of it as a Not Contributing to the match penalty? Endlessly yelling at people in the forums and insulting them, when they clearly know more than you only makes you look like a moron.
About scoring in CC. DPS is actually ranked pretty low on the score. I've parsed this numerous times, been a clear out winner by a large margin DPS wise but ranked not first. The problem is you need to suck just enough to take damage, you need to clip those shards. Healing has a huge multiple on the score, if you aren't taking damage you aren't healing enough to place. Its one of the few missions that rewards more than DPS, unfortunately it doesn't penalize you for being bad and getting hit, causing damage buffs to go to the CE.
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