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sjokruhlica
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.. once again, the KDF gets shafted, this time by the Delta pack. And the Romulans , too by the way. The Feds get 5 new ships, and the KDF and Roms get.. 2. And not a science ship among them. The KDF has two sci ships ( 3 of you count carriers) total, and none T6. How about releasing one sci -specific ship, one Rom, one KDF. I wouldn't mind seeing the Intel abilities on the new raptor, either.
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You're right though, i'd like to see one of each class of ship released for each faction.
This right here"
woooot.....(firecracker fizzles out)
I don't think this has been asked before. Where's Sulu?
Thanks!
On topic. The KDF strength is not the number of ships. It is the fact there is a few duds compared to the Feds lineup.
If the thought of a battlecruiser with the layout of the Galaxy don't give you the cold sweats then you are not Klingon.
What aspect of the game requires that you play each ship?
T6 ship traits? Not really but I wanted to say it before someone else did.
Exactly. Therefore you don't need them.
Get everyone that ever bought Fed ships also to buy Romulan and Klingon ships. It doesn't have to be a parity (becuse it can't be - someone that bought all endgame Fed ships can't possibly buy as many Romulan and KDF ships). Though there should be some correlation, ideally - if someone bought tons of Fed ships but just one KDF ship, that isn't good enough.
Optionally, you can also try to get everyone that never bought a Fed ship to buy a KDF or a Romulan ship. Maybe everone is asking a bit much, but... a lot of people? If there is a particular percentage of players that buy only Fed ships, a similar percentage of players should be found that only bought a KDF or Rom ship.
That would prove once and for all that the Romulans and Klingons are just as interesting to players as the Federation, and there is a big untapped market out there.
The disparity of the factions in story content is practically gone, since only KDF and Romulans actually got faction-only content, and all got the faction-agnostic content. SO everyone can level from 1 to 50 or 60 now and qualify for endgame ships, and both sides have plenty of ships. There could be more (which is why we're talking about it), but it's not like you can't buy stuff for the KDF or the Romulans.
What episode was it?
And last time i checked Star Wars was mostly about good guys triumphing over evil. Yet in SWTOR a lot of people over there want to be Boba Fett, Darth Maul or Revans left nut. The same way every KDF player wants to be the next Worf, Gowron, or Orions hooters girl.
I actually find it kinda funny that Star Treks IP rival Star Wars has a game where the good guys and bad guys are treated somewhat equally by the devs...or at least more equal then Fed and KDF are. Their two factions are actually good vs evil (with a little gray on both sides). Star Treks factions are good vs good vs good (also with a little gray all around).
Star Wars had a pervasive enemy...Star Trek had all sorts of enemies, sometimes enemies were friends when there was a greater enemy, etc, etc, etc...
...basically, Star Wars wasn't the propaganda machine that Star Trek was with all sorts of social commentary - it was just a money making juggernaut.
Well the way i see it is if you introduce a game with two or three factions you need to treat them all equally, regardless of their popularity in established IP. But i guess thats just me...maybe when i go to start my own gaming company and i create Star Trek Online 6 a few decades down the road i'll make it so. Not gonna do like what STO 1 did with Fed v KDF v Rom or what LOTRO did with creeps vs freeps.
It's a lot easier to do that with an IP that has that from the start...and it's one of the reasons it's never really worked in STO, eh? The depth of multiple factions simply hasn't been there.
That doesn't excuse the lack of equality there - they knew that it wouldn't be easy getting into it and if they weren't up to it, they shouldn't have taken up the project.
When the game was started, they still believed they could live as a subscription-based game.
But F2P games, in a way, have to be be calculated more... harshly. If you have the choice to have your artist spend building Ship A or Ship B, and Ship A will sell twice as often as Ship B, you task him do do Ship A.
In a subscription game, Ship A and Ship B might still require the same eforts from the artist, but you cannot actually calculate how much it affects your subcriptions.
But... even in a subscription game, if you realize that most of your subscribers are picking option A instead of option B, you may have to offer more for group A then B. Because F2P or subscription, you're still a business.
I don't think there is anything an MMO company could do to improve this. The bias in the factions is inherent in the franchise. If you don't start out with an inherently Romulan or Klingon Star Trek game (like Klingon Academy), you'll get that faction bias reflected.
If you want them to make more kdf/rom content then stop playing fed. My main is a KDF gorn, my alt is a rom/fed alien
you could say the rom is fed, but then again I will be buying ROMULAN items for her, not FED because rom's can't use T5 or T6 federation ships even if they are allied with them, only Tier 4 and below.
I don't have a single full federation character and might never, so no federation money from me.
You're ignoring the fact that the KDF consists of more than Klingons.
And you're over-simplifying the Klingons themselves.
And you're ignoring the importance of balance.
the problem is even if everyone who has a kdf and/or rom buys a kdf and/or rom ship there will still be vastly more fed ships in the game simply because there are vastly more players who have at least 1 or more fed characters and very few who have even 1 kdf and/or rom characters in comparison.
the simple fact of life is they are going to make the most stuff for the biggest market and kdf`s and rom`s will always play second fiddle.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Sure, the Sith Empire was well documented and all, but it's just like the KDF/Rom in ST.
Same situation with Star Trek, the shows are about the federation, but the other faction can exist without problem in game. The only reason the devs don't do that is because they can make more money with the feds. Except for the occasional factional cash grab, like the scimitard.
I think that the films and movies are also partly to blame. Check out the link below...it was something i had posted about Fed and KDF imbalances and how it relates to Imperial and Republic (or Rebels depending on the era) balances.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=13810201&postcount=23
ST is mostly about ship to ship combat...but whenever they try to fit in a hand to hand fight i just end up doing a picard palm. Some examples are ST3 with Kirk fighting Doc Brown and Nemesis where an aging Will Riker fought Ron "The Reman" Perlman and i think Bane and Captain Picard went at it too. The fights just end up coming off as really cheesy.
The link i provided pretty much mentions what i think the films needed, but of course its too late for that now. They could have done something to fix that with JJ Trek but JJT1 villians just make me picard palm even harder and JJT2 has a "pretty" villian that is meant to appeal to the ladies in the audience i think. If they do a part 3 for new trek they need to hire Jet Li, Ray Park, and the Rock and have them put on Klingon makeup and *they* will be your new villians for New Trek 3. Hell they can have Ray Park and Dale Dye do the battle and fight choreography and have them design the klingon weapons (cause the bathleth design sucks). Do that and then release STO 2, base it off of JJT1, JJT2 and NT3 and then see how many people will want to roll a bad TRIBBLE klingon. Klingons now have the whole honor qapla honor culture going for them, but they dont have anybody in the films or shows like Darth Maul or Boba Fett.
Villain in SW4?
Villain in SW5?
Villain in SW6?
Villain in SW1?
Villain in SW2?
Villain in SW3?
Villain in SW7?
So uh yeah, nothing like Star Trek...
Star Wars has had a pervasive foe. Star Trek has had a varied foe - outside of limited story arcs, the foes were constantly changing.
Star Trek lacked the pervasive foe. But again, Cryptic decided to make the KDF a faction and should have made them an equal faction...or they shouldn't have made the KDF a faction like that. They should have gone with some other system and explicitly stated that it was always going to be a side faction sort of thing.
See:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1301251
(esp: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=20817951#post20817951 )
and
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1304251
Ending the marginalization of RRF and KDF players would sustain and improve what profit accrues from those players. There will come a time before much longer when my RRF toons will have everything available in the C-store which is aimed at RRF players (I believe the only thing I lack is the DSD three-pack). We have no alternate bridges, we have only one interior, we have fewer ships and costumes from which to select -- in spite of numerous complaints and requests by RRF players. When the time arrives at which I do have everything available in the C-store which is aimed at RRF players, if nothing new has been added for RRF toons, what do you think will happen to my spending? You don't have to be Einstein to solve for x here. If I have everything, I don't have to buy anything else. Now, obviously, there are still Master Keys and Ship Upgrades and Costume Slots and assorted other items, but the supposedly big money items, which are ships, will all be purchased, so my spending will almost certainly decrease. Not only is the acquiescence to / perpetuation of this situation by the company illogical, it doesn't even make good business sense!