i dont even

nitefiuu

im not much into math but i cant seem to understand the following:

t6 intel cheese cost 3000 zen:
-ok thats like 30x keys
-which is like 75M ec in the game
-or less

most of the lockbox ships and lobi ones are way above this price lnot to mention the good ol' galors or the limited edition jas /bulwark promotion stuff that goes beyong 400-500M
-thats like 200 keys
-which is like 400-500M
-or more

and the HUGE disadvantage i feel with my fleet variants that not only cost fleet modules to get(40-50M), a T4-5 starbase to actually purchase from (priceless?), plus the update "T5-U" update tokens (10M) which i felt almost worthless and here we are:
-close to same 30x -ish keys / 75M
-which is like the price of these 3k zen T6 ships using "legit cheese/exploits"
-and is nowhere near compared to them


and i am asking why ? :mad:


?? :mad: 30 > 200 :mad: ??


so pls take a look and have a fix on these t6 ship abilities and fix them.
- and no i do NOT want to see these t6 cheeses spread over to "T5-U" 's or something like that. at all. ever.

i just wanna feel my investments ( promo ships, box ships, lobi ships, fleet ships ) worthy of flying.. thats why i got them.. not to see them in the trash just because these intel powers weren't tested properly if at all.


/rant

thecosmic1

A Lockbox ship has an average return below half of 1 percent.

A Lobi ship costs 800 Lobi. Each Lockbox awards an average of 4, thus you need to open 200 Lockboxes.

Both of those things can make Lockbox/Lobi ships cost hundreds of dollars to get.

If you are looking at 200 Keys to get a Lobi ship, and those Keys are selling for 2.5 million EC each, that means each Lobi ship costs 500 million ECs if you did not buy them with dollars.

warpet

thecosmic1 wrote: »

A Lockbox ship has an average return below half of 1 percent.

A Lobi ship costs 800 Lobi. Each Lockbox awards an average of 4, thus you need to open 200 Lockboxes.

Both of those things can make Lockbox/Lobi ships cost hundreds of dollars to get.

If you are looking at 200 Keys to get a Lobi ship, and those Keys are selling for 2.5 million EC each, that means each Lobi ship costs 500 million ECs.

yeah atm keys are just have to high price on exchange i still remember days when they were 900k or less and ship module was 4m

nitefiuu

ye ive kinda mixed up boxships and lobi ones but i think my point is rather clear

in any scenario any of those cost more than intels do, while intel power in its current form standalone kite those ship's capability

the1tigglet

What exactly did you think needs fixing on these T6 ships? They are not as glamorous as you think they are especially from a science pov. First of all, SA is far superior imo to the probe thing the probe takes ten forevers to get to the enemy before you can even use it, then it prevents us from doing any of the other disabling affects while waiting on the cooldown whereas the SA debuff stays on the whole time.

Second, enemy ships definitely do not miss us as much as they should miss us. I know from personal experience that even at being 9 out from an enemy they can still sometimes hit me in the scryer. And on top of that the damage output of the phantom escort is nowhere near the level of even the lifetime escort ships. Not to mention this doesn't even include how some of the intel skills don't really function how they should like stealth in PVE for example where non-science enemy sensors can STILL SEE you even though you have an enormous amount of stealth.

So really, what exactly would you like them to nerf because it certainly shouldn't be the abilities.

You must've meant nerfing the price, that must be it.

prierin

nitefiuu wrote: »

im not much into math but i cant seem to understand the following:

t6 intel cheese cost 3000 zen:
-ok thats like 30x keys
-which is like 75M ec in the game
-or less

most of the lockbox ships and lobi ones are way above this price lnot to mention the good ol' galors or the limited edition jas /bulwark promotion stuff that goes beyong 400-500M
-thats like 200 keys
-which is like 400-500M
-or more

and the HUGE disadvantage i feel with my fleet variants that not only cost fleet modules to get(40-50M), a T4-5 starbase to actually purchase from (priceless?), plus the update "T5-U" update tokens (10M) which i felt almost worthless and here we are:
-close to same 30x -ish keys / 75M
-which is like the price of these 3k zen T6 ships using "legit cheese/exploits"
-and is nowhere near compared to them


and i am asking why ? :mad:


?? :mad: 30 > 200 :mad: ??


so pls take a look and have a fix on these t6 ship abilities and fix them.
- and no i do NOT want to see these t6 cheeses spread over to "T5-U" 's or something like that. at all. ever.

i just wanna feel my investments ( promo ships, box ships, lobi ships, fleet ships ) worthy of flying.. thats why i got them.. not to see them in the trash just because these intel powers weren't tested properly if at all.


/rant

You could buy 100 keys and open 100 boxes and not get a T6 ship.

You could buy 1 key, open 1 box and get a T6 Carrier.


If you use zen, EC or Lobi, there is a 100% chance you will get the ship.

That's the brunt of the math.

nitefiuu

http://youtu.be/_h_9GGJOEwg

if someone didn't seen this yet

coolheadal

Don't forget you can buy a ship with refined dilithium 80K or on reduction deal it's like 76K saving 4K. If you wanted to venture.

chalpen

nitefiuu wrote: »

and i am asking why ? :mad:

Companies with Stockbrokers like money.

ghyudt

I can save you a lot of trouble here. The answer, is greed. That's it. Players set the prices on the exchange. That's why ships cost so much more, but are actually far less valuable, on the exchange vs the Cstore. Somehow, they got it into their heads that, just because they spent the zen and ec on keys, its fair to calculate the cost in ec, then charge that plus 300%. As if you can actually calculate ec value in terms of dilithium and zen. It would be different if you could buy dilithium with ec, but you can't. So there's really no justification for such prices. The bottom line is, players who sell items like that on the exchange are stupid, and the ones actually paying these prices are worse.

mightybobcnc

ghyudt wrote: »

but you can't.

Yes you can. It's called Contraband. Stop whining.

chalpen

nitefiuu wrote: »

http://youtu.be/_h_9GGJOEwg

if someone didn't seen this yet

Its gambling.
The only winner is the person setting up the game.

noroblad

seems about right to me? There are 5 or 6 box/lobi ships I would buy if I had more funds. There is not one t6 ship I would pay more than 500 zen for, and that would just be to unlock the traits.

erei1

nitefiuu wrote: »

http://youtu.be/_h_9GGJOEwg

if someone didn't seen this yet

I should link this video everytime someone make a thread like "I opened XX boxes, and still no ship WTF ?";
300boxes, 1 ship ? He was damn lucky, according to my math, I opened around 300-400 boxes over the years. Still no ship (except from a lobi ship, and enough lobis for another one).
Truth be told, I opened them mostly for the tachyokinetic console for 5 characters, and an elachi lobi set for one of them. Still have 1300+lobi waiting in the bank. But still, that's a lot of boxes.

I guess one of those people who claim they opened a ship on their 10th box, or twice in a row, are the guys flawing the statistic for me. They totally owe me a ship



Anyway, the house always win.

nitefiuu wrote: »

im not much into math but i cant seem to understand the following:

t6 intel cheese cost 3000 zen:
-ok thats like 30x keys
-which is like 75M ec in the game
-or less

I wish I knew how to buy a Cstore ship using EC (and before someone try to say something stupid, without buying contraband, trading them for dil, and then trading dil for zen).

nitefiuu

erei1 wrote: »

I wish I knew how to buy a Cstore ship using EC (and before someone try to say something stupid, without buying contraband, trading them for dil, and then trading dil for zen).

but thats exactly how it works, and probably thats the only reason EC got any value left ( dil/z moves the contra/ec market accordingly )
- slow way to go and only "efficient" with lots of alts on an account but hey, getting there just costs more zen than the ships are self (: