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I'm not Crazy

sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
edited November 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
My mother had me tested.

But I would swear there's been a 25% reduction in doff experience. Missions that gave 72 now give 54 etc.. This is on characters at and below level 60.

I want to say that I'm wrong as this was just this morning and before the patch?
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  • phalanx01phalanx01 Member Posts: 360 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I noticed this as well. In Delta area there's Doff missions that are supposed to give 1200ish XP (12 hours) and end up giving around 758ish XP. Either someone made a mistake on the UI side of things or we are indeed being undercut when it comes to XP.
  • rswfiredotcomrswfiredotcom Member Posts: 262 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I imagine this would be one of the easier places for the devs to do a stealth nerf. Not many of us pay super close attention to the numbers. I, personally, just look at the aggregate from however missions I clicked on in succession of completion. That said, doffs are something I stay on top of pretty well and I haven't felt a sense of getting less out of them...but that is anecdotal and speculative.

    Edit: Is it possible you had an xp booster going that ran out? They do have them specifically for commendation (doffs).
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    awww did cryptic nerf bat something else muahahaha
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  • omegasprimeomegasprime Member Posts: 289 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    They most likely did it on purpose.
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  • sarcasmdetectorsarcasmdetector Member Posts: 1,176 Media Corps
    edited October 2014
    Doffing was too good to be true. experience was 17x faster than anywhere else in the game.
  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    sheldonlcooper wrote: »
    My mother had me tested.

    But I would swear there's been a 25% reduction in doff experience. Missions that gave 72 now give 54 etc.. This is on characters at and below level 60.

    I want to say that I'm wrong as this was just this morning and before the patch?

    I hope you are wrong, pleas tell me u are wrong.

    Lol, there I was advertising the doff system in forums for easy peasy skill points over night.
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  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    rswfiredotcom wrote: »
    I imagine this would be one of the easier places for the devs to do a stealth nerf. Not many of us pay super close attention to the numbers. I, personally, just look at the aggregate from however missions I clicked on in succession of completion. That said, doffs are something I stay on top of pretty well and I haven't felt a sense of getting less out of them...but that is anecdotal and speculative.

    Edit: Is it possible you had an xp booster going that ran out? They do have them specifically for commendation (doffs).

    I've been paying close attention to it recently and am about 90% sure. I have no boosters going. It began this morning only.
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  • mikoto8472mikoto8472 Member Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I've noticed a drop too. Its not levelling up my lowbie characters as fast as it used to.
  • clooney002clooney002 Member Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    and they didnt even give us the courtesy of asking for a "reach around".

    Can it get any worse???
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  • castsbugccastsbugc Member Posts: 830 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    How long have you been tracking the payout results? they would have changed within the last 30 days, but are your tracking numbers further back then that?

    The reason being the bonus xp event that ran as a lead in to DR.
  • strykewolf67strykewolf67 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    sarcasmdetector wrote: »
    Doffing was too good to be true. experience was 17x faster than anywhere else in the game.

    Watch, they'll f up the mirror event and everyone will gain experience/skill points 17x too fast. :P
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  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    castsbugc wrote: »
    How long have you been tracking the payout results? they would have changed within the last 30 days, but are your tracking numbers further back then that?

    The reason being the bonus xp event that ran as a lead in to DR.

    I've been following the experience this past week. Prior to that I would just do 50 dil missions and over and personals so I didn't pay attention to exp back then. But I've added the higher experience missions this past week to ready my alts for Delta story missions. At first I thought it was different when you get to level 60 but it's on my level 54 and 55 characters also.
    Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."

    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
  • castsbugccastsbugc Member Posts: 830 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    sheldonlcooper wrote: »
    I've been following the experience this past week. Prior to that I would just do 50 dil missions and over and personals so I didn't pay attention to exp back then. But I've added the higher experience missions this past week to ready my alts for Delta story missions. At first I thought it was different when you get to level 60 but it's on my level 54 and 55 characters also.

    hmm if your tracking is post 10/14/14 then hmm, harder to just say because I admittedly have not been tracking those payouts, except that I seemed to have accumulated a large amount of cxp
  • englishnodenglishnod Member Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    peterconnorfirst wrote: »
    I hope you are wrong, pleas tell me u are wrong.

    Lol, there I was advertising the doff system in forums for easy peasy skill points over night.

    ah so it's YOUR FAULT they stealth nerfed doffing then :p
  • lkloozelklooze Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    This has indeed been going on for about a week now. I first noticed it shortly after the 10/23 patch. Lately all I do is doff assignments and I did notice a 25-33% reduction in payouts after the patch. In my eyes, this was the last straw, and I have committed to boycotting all DR missions and basically anything in DR that is not worth playing. I cant think of 1 system in this game that Craptic hasnt nerfed beyond playability, so I'm just sitting on the sidelines for now waiting for Craptic to pull their head out.
  • cbrjwrrcbrjwrr Member Posts: 2,782 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    strykewolf67 wrote: »
    Watch, they'll f up the mirror event and everyone will gain experience/skill points 17x too fast. :P

    You remember how the Mirror event ended up last time after they broke the rift spawns?

    And now they've whacked HP up?


    Its been violated sideways and everyways and it hasn't even launched yet...


    And don't think about running Normal, you will get no XP beyond mid-60s, the last patch saw to that.
  • phalanx01phalanx01 Member Posts: 360 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    castsbugc wrote: »
    How long have you been tracking the payout results? they would have changed within the last 30 days, but are your tracking numbers further back then that?

    The reason being the bonus xp event that ran as a lead in to DR.

    This is at the very launch of DR, some of the missions do give proper XP payout some of the other ones like the 12-hour ones only 2/3ths roughly of what the description says.
  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    englishnod wrote: »
    ah so it's YOUR FAULT they stealth nerfed doffing then :p

    Yea if the reduction in doff skill point income is correct I think I really am the one to blame! Reason is the fact that I recommended the doff system in 2 or 3 other threads as a solid way to level because players have trouble to do so lately.

    When one other dude put up a strategy guide for Tau patrols earlier I really thought players where on the paranoid side being angry about such a thing because cryptic patched the usefulness of Tau patrols out short after.

    Well I’m under better judgement now. Cryptic & PWE read forums and use this tool to get a better understanding what’s going on in their own game and they act accordingly.

    Glad that there are still multiple means to level fast left in game.
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  • gpgtxgpgtx Member Posts: 1,579 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    what the??????? why?


    why am i still playing this game
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  • neomodiousneomodious Member Posts: 428 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Thanks for the confirmation, cause I started noticing it wednesday, and only really because some doff assignment that was supposed to give me 1000+ gave me under 800... :confused:
  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Should call it season 9, Nerfbat swinging.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    this is odd since I have checked mine and I get MORE than what the assignment claims I'll get....
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  • ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited October 2014
    sheldonlcooper wrote: »
    My mother had me tested.

    But I would swear there's been a 25% reduction in doff experience. Missions that gave 72 now give 54 etc.. This is on characters at and below level 60.

    I want to say that I'm wrong as this was just this morning and before the patch?


    It's not you.

    I joked yesterday that I could still level by doffing alone.

    I am so sorry.
  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    It's cause you people kept saying you can level by doffing alone... see what you get!

    they reduced the xp and forgot to reduce it on the UI graphics... an upcoming patch will fix the discrepancy.
  • bada4boombada4boom Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I've seen this reduced rewards from before the last patch so at least they were not introduced in the last patch.

    Also, the way the rewards are calculated and displayed has changed a few patches back: it used to show what you will get. Now it shows the base. Whatever DOFF +% will be added on the rewards but not shown in the DOFF window.

    So imagine a DOFF assignment with 3 DOFF slots that says on completion that your reward is 70 SP. Assuming you had 3 VR DOFF assigned for this task when you check in your chat window the amount of SP returned it will not be 70, but 70+60% = 112. I've checked this over and over and it works as advertised.

    A task that shows 120SP when is being scheduled, when it completes it will show the reward to be ~77 and if you add the DOFF bonus you get back into the 100 range.

    But yes, a task is advertised for some rewards and what we get is vastly different so that really only confuses people regardless if it works as intended or not, it's still very confusing.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    The white zone, is for immediate loading and un-loading of xp only.

    There is no xp gaining in the red zone.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyOX4G7TmE0
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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    shadowwraith77 wrote: »
    The white zone, is for immediate loading and un-loading of xp only.

    There is no xp gaining in the red zone.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyOX4G7TmE0

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  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Guys, this isn't a recent thing; this happened as soon as DR went live - and thus far, it hasn't been changed in any, period. Whether it's the number texts being off, or the reward tables suddenly inconsistent remains to be seen

    I saw the same thing on Tribble during testing
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  • royrogersxroyrogersx Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Seems like they have reduced xp rewards by 40% across the board.
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