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heckgoblin
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I've been doing Viscous Cycle (Elite) trying to score some Argonite Gas. Did seven of them. Not one Argonite Gas to show for it, just blue/green/white crud. Boost drop rate, pls.
I AM WAR.
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At least one drop should be guaranteed, and it should have another one as possibility.
Also, every Elite should award a random very rare.
Personally, I don't want to do ground, and even Viscous Cycle Elite is annoying.
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Normal queue
Possibility for a very rare - random type
Advanced queue
One very rare guaranteed - random type
Possibility for a very rare - random type
Elite queue
Two very rares guranteed - random type (different)
Possibility for two very rares - random type (different)
Time will only tell!
No, just no. If they did guaranteed drops, then they'd also increase the amount of VR mats required to keep their "player reward/time spent" ratios in line. Some people get VR mats often, some don't, it's all part of the game.
Yes, just yes.
Firstly A does not mean B has to happen.
I'm not sure if you've noticed that the way things are, the very rare you may or may not get is dependent on what you played. Meaning that if someone doesn't want to do ground they will NOT get all types of very rare mats.
So here's the thing:
1-You don't know if you will get it or not
2-You need to do specific things you may not like doing
A clear "call to arms" to not doing crafting.
This is not "part" of the game, this is forcing people to do things they may not like to do. I've given up on Viscous Cycle Elite, because frankly it's too annoying to do for a chance of getting a very rare material. If it were guaranteed, I might actually do it from time to time.
Only very selfish or elitist people would want things to stay as they are so that they can have stuff others don't. Moreover the R&D was to revamp the previous system. Newsflash, at least the previous system gave a fair chance to everyone at getting the material needed for the R&D, so this is not an improvement.
You are not being forced to do anything. in MMOs you can do content to try to get items or buy/trade w/other players. I remember many MMOs where people worked together but for some reason now, everybody thinks they should do everything themselves. Maybe a single player game would suit you better.
There's nothing selfish or Elitist about not seeing the need for a VR mat drop guarantee. Chances are fair for everybody, there's no special perk that some people have so they earn more VR mats. It's more selfish that you think you should get a VR mat drop guarantee...or maybe you're antisocial?
Also, if you think that making VR mats 100% drop will not translate into an increased requirement for crafting, you haven't been around long. "The House Always Wins."
One thing I would suggest trying is this. Open 2 trellium or radiogenics. If you get no VR then open a valuable box and keep going until you get one. Then stop and try the process again later.
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Always funny to discuss with people that turn to the personal/psicological field when they disagree on a subject with things that have nothing to do with it.
Examples:
Rep stuff, neural processors guranteed in Elite. Does rep gear ask for many neural processors?
Voth Battlezone, voth marks by the dozen. Do voth gear cost many marks more?
The reps sytem actually was revamped to need LESS things.
What you say happens if the developers WANT it to happen. One thing does not mean the other unless someone who is reponsible for making it happen, does.
Yes, the issue is that I'm antisocial, and apparently so is everyone else who agreed with the OP. So I guess you're the only sociable person here. Good for you!
EDIT: Oh and I'd be completely onboard with you with the trade between players if I haven't seen the absurdity of the prices asked for some single materials! It's absolutely nuts.
You opened that door w/your "greedy and elitist" remarks. SO your comment is about yourself then also?
Those rep mats & marks are also there to offset the DIL costs. The conversion from commodities to just EC actually raised the EC cost. All those commodities could be bought cheaper than replicator but most people were too lazy and whined on forums about costs.
I asked that as you seem to focused on your self sufficiency. If you join a decent fleet, you can learn that others will help you. Prices are high because of demand. You do no need any of the VR mats to enjoy STO, stop making it seem like you do.
No, I did not open the door. I said and I quote "Only very selfish or elitist people would want things to stay as they are so that they can have stuff others don't"
Did I say or ask you if you were selfish or elitist? I am talking about a notion, and an abstract concept. You aimed directly at me, I didn't do it to you.
And there you go again....Where did I say in any way that I need the change to enjoy the game? I only agreed with the OP, I stated a system I would like to see implemented - a view of what I consider right - and I gave a few examples of gameplay I don't like that needs to be done in order get specific materials. How do you go from there, into becoming convinced it afects my whole gaming?
Our opinions are divergent in the matter and that's fine.
Mats are the bottleneck.
The more VR mats there are, the more Superior Upgrade Kits there are.
The more Superior Upgrade Kits there are, the lower the average upgrade cost in Dilithium.
So a low supply of VR mats means a faster Dil sink.
Working as intended.
The bigger problem is the RNG with a time gate. While the time gate is minimal it's still not a good combo. I would be more in favor of the RNG determining what type of mat I get, not if I get the mat or not. Then tier the commonality of those between the 6. This means people can run the stuff they want and not stuff they don't want.
You said that in a response to me disagreeing w/you. You purposely used a blanket statement to mask directing it@me. A common tactic used to deflect any liability later.
If you want to go with that, it's up to you.
If you want to keep discussing the issue of the thread, fine. As for the who is what, it's done.
Sometimes people hear what they want to hear.
Sometimes people know that turning an offhand comment into an insult gives them leverage as a 'victim'.
For instance, it could be said that your post is just a stretched out version of calling him a bald-faced liar.
This is why you stick to discussing the topic rather than the person, regardless of whether you feel they are doing the same.
If you feel the other party isn't maintaining this kind of basic respect, walk away. "Fighting for your honor" is just an ego game.
/close thread
As for increasing the drop rate, I'd be up for that.
Some people would just farm the "best" time:reward ratio.
Some people would be free to focus on the missions they enjoy the most, as well.
There's plentiful reasons beyond the ratio why a lot of those queues are unpopular. Some of them are just plain terrible.
Very fair summary, imo.
My only caveat is that the line may be a bit too tight.
There's a balance between making mats rare, and triggering the dynamic you've laid out so well, and making the system so frustrating nobody touches it.
A little give on the drop rate would, imo, be a more balanced approach than current.
And, thus, more effective at wai.
Has there been a reference to drop rates in direct relation to current ones?
The revamp blog mentions elite has higher chances than advanced, but there is no guarantee that advanced will maintain its current (already abysmal) rate. Given that they reduced all of the other rewards (and when the blog didn't mention numbers, many of us knew that was the subtext), it's not beyond reason to expect this as well.
Could stay the same or go up, too.
We'll find out soon enough.