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The Dilithium Exchange and Today's Upgrade Launch

leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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edited September 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Dilithium was trading at 184 per Zen. Any guesses where it will land with upgrades partially launching today?
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  • dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,655 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I would expect Zen to go down.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    edited September 2014
    My hunch is around 90 dilithium per Zen (a level it used to comfortably trade at) before rebounding over the weekend as people get a feel for the system.
  • dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,655 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    stoleviathan99 wrote: »
    My hunch is around 90 dilithium per Zen (a level it used to comfortably trade at) before rebounding over the weekend as people get a feel for the system.

    That low? I need to grab some more dilithium! :eek:
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  • schneemann83schneemann83 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I'd say it goes down into the 170 range, then people realize how expensive upgrades are and decide not to push it (yet) or feel the need to bolster it with cstore packs. If not, the (un)availability of purple mats for superior upgrades will kick in... overall I don't think the ratio will go down to far, and in time start to rise again.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I did not read the Patch Notes. I think I missed an important announcement. :)

    I will say 135. :)
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  • cbrjwrrcbrjwrr Member Posts: 2,782 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I did not read the Patch Notes. I think I missed an important announcement. :)

    I will say 135. :)

    They've pushed VR Mk XII - UR MK XIII live early.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    cbrjwrr wrote: »
    They've pushed VR Mk XII - UR MK XIII live early.
    Thanks!

    Just what I needed: more power for the last 2.5 weeks before the Expansion. I was really worried those badguys in the ESTFs were finally going to get me. :)
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  • knockyknocky Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Why would Dil go down?

    Dil should be in demand, driving the ratio up.
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  • heckgoblinheckgoblin Member Posts: 685
    edited September 2014
    200-230 dil per zen.
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  • vawlkusvawlkus Member Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    cbrjwrr wrote: »
    They've pushed VR Mk XII - UR MK XIII live early.

    Have they? I was under the impression the event was just to give away a few upgrade kits prior to DR. I didn't think they were enabling the upgrade system early.
  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    cbrjwrr wrote: »
    They've pushed VR Mk XII - UR MK XIII live early.

    I thought you cant craft above your level?
  • swamarianswamarian Member Posts: 1,506 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    vawlkus wrote: »
    Have they? I was under the impression the event was just to give away a few upgrade kits prior to DR. I didn't think they were enabling the upgrade system early.

    From the blog post yesterday;
    For the pre-release of Delta Rising, we’re including Tech Upgrades as craftable gear, and you’ll be able to use Tech Upgrades to improve your gear to Mark XIII, ultra-rare (ultraviolet) quality! Mark XIV and epic (gold) quality will not be available until Delta Rising is released.

    You can go to ultra-rare mark 13 gear after today's maintenance.
  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Thanks!

    Just what I needed: more power for the last 2.5 weeks before the Expansion. I was really worried those badguys in the ESTFs were finally going to get me. :)

    Yeah those Tac cubes are getting scarier by the minute. How long till a video shows up in which 5 guys are doing Infected Elite in their shuttles in under 5 minutes I wonder? ;)
  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    rmy1081 wrote: »
    I thought you cant craft above your level?

    The progession from lvl 50 to 60 is unique. When Delta Rising goes live you will be able to upgrade and use mk XIV epic gear at lvl 50 already. That is if they leave it the way it currently is.
  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited September 2014
    cbrjwrr wrote: »
    They've pushed VR Mk XII - UR MK XIII live early.

    The thing is, the code was already being pushed into Holodeck a month ago. They're just probably pushing the final touches and activating the code.
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    knocky wrote: »
    Why would Dil go down?

    Dil should be in demand, driving the ratio up.

    Dilithium being in demand will drive the ratio down.

    Say yesterday dilithium was worth 1/180th of a Zen, but now demand has pushed it to appreciate in value by 100% so now it's worth 2/180ths or 1/90ths of a Zen.
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  • cbrjwrrcbrjwrr Member Posts: 2,782 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    lucho80 wrote: »
    The thing is, the code was already being pushed into Holodeck a month ago. They're just probably pushing the final touches and activating the code.

    Same thing really, stuff going live before it is ready.

    vawlkus wrote: »
    Have they? I was under the impression the event was just to give away a few upgrade kits prior to DR. I didn't think they were enabling the upgrade system early.

    From: http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/7007533

    "The Tech Upgrade system allows you to use Tech Upgrades to improve the Mark of your gear, and has a chance to improve their quality (color) as well. For the pre-release of Delta Rising, we’re including Tech Upgrades as craftable gear, and you’ll be able to use Tech Upgrades to improve your gear to Mark XIII, ultra-rare (ultraviolet) quality! Mark XIV and epic (gold) quality will not be available until Delta Rising is released."

    See bolded bits.

    rmy1081 wrote: »
    I thought you cant craft above your level?

    What makes you think Mk XIII isn't level 50? Its only equipping stuff above your level you cant do.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    edited September 2014
    rmy1081 wrote: »
    I thought you cant craft above your level?

    Crafting and upgrades are largely unrelated aside from the fact that crafting can get you access to cheaper upgrades than vendors can provide.
    knocky wrote: »
    Why would Dil go down?

    Dil should be in demand, driving the ratio up.


    The more dilithium is in demand, the less dilithium it should take to buy 1 ZEN.

    25 dilithium per ZEN means dilithium is very valuable and is highly demanded.

    500 dilithium per ZEN means that dilithium is almost worthless and not seriously demanded.
  • knockyknocky Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    It is apparent that I am no Wall Street tycoon.

    :P
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  • centaurianalphacentaurianalpha Member Posts: 1,150 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Dilithium sinks continue to increase in number and size, and there has been no slowdown in the exchange rate so far. It's a pretty transparent move by PWE to crack into the huge dil stockpiles that the lifers have amassed, and I see no reason why the exchange rate should improve in the short term. Maybe after a few months of frenzied spending on upgrades, specialization and crafting, we might see an adjustment, but only after the supply of dil has been depleted to a greater degree than today... :-|
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    edited September 2014
    centaurianalpha wrote: »
    Dilithium sinks continue to increase in number and size, and there has been no slowdown in the exchange rate so far. It's a pretty transparent move by PWE to crack into the huge dil stockpiles that the lifers have amassed, and I see no reason why the exchange rate should improve in the short term. Maybe after a few months of frenzied spending on upgrades, specialization and crafting, we might see an adjustment, but only after the supply of dil has been depleted to a greater degree than today... :-|

    Almost all prior sinks were one time sinks. Generally 30k-ish per item. This is the first time there has been a sink that can eat up millions per hour and one with what is basically an insatiable goal.
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,454 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    knocky wrote: »
    Why would Dil go down?

    Dil should be in demand, driving the ratio up.
    Yes. I'm still missing something if people think dil is going down.

    ETA: Oh... I see. NM...
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    edited September 2014
    bergins wrote: »
    Yes. I'm still missing something if people think dil is going down.

    In theory, even the upgrades today should be big enough to basically drain all the dilithium out of the economy. This makes dilithium scarce. If it is scarce it is more valuable. If it is more valuable, it should take fewer units of it to buy 1 Zen.
  • psygn0sispsygn0sis Member Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    szim wrote: »
    Yeah those Tac cubes are getting scarier by the minute. How long till a video shows up in which 5 guys are doing Infected Elite in their shuttles in under 5 minutes I wonder? ;)

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    edited September 2014
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  • kozar2kozar2 Member Posts: 602 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    170 ish in the short run as people upgrade then a spike to 225 or so at DR launch when people all realize they need Zen for new ships.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I welcome a decrease in Dilithum : Zen exchange rate. That means I can get more Zen for the refined dilithium I have been stockpiling. I am feeling an itch to buy more Doff slots for my toons, and maybe some additional inventory slots. Plus it will decrease the amount of Zen I need to purchase to get some T6 starships, but I am waiting for more T6 ships to be released. The Guardian Cruiser looks okay I guess... at least it looks better than the Intel ships... But I want a T6 BoP.
  • oberzensoroberzensor Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I think soon the people that had hoarded zen after DR was annouced will realize they should have hoarded dil instead. At least I hope so :D
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    stoleviathan99 wrote: »
    My hunch is around 90 dilithium per Zen (a level it used to comfortably trade at) before rebounding over the weekend as people get a feel for the system.

    Gooood, I have around 5 million Dilithium ready and waiting! :D
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  • maskedmarvel1maskedmarvel1 Member Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Is zen about to take a hit in the dil xchange ? dammit , I just traded 1m dil at 184 this morning , that will teach me to pay attention to whats happening
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