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Solved problem for fed raiders

hpgibbshpgibbs Member Posts: 395 Arc User
edited August 2014 in Federation Discussion
How about a new lockbox/Cstore/lobi or whatever ship usable for all factions not an event. They put out the Breen Plesh Brek and that didn't help the issue.
A maquis raider
All universal stations, 1Cmdr, 2LtCdr, 1Lt
.79 shield modifier
4 fore, 2(3) aft
Turn rate 20
2 devices
25,000 base hull
+10 to cannons
+15 to weapons
Raider flanking
Can equip dual cannons
It'll silence the Feds wanting raiders, and provide a good ship for all other factions.
5 tactical consoles
1 science
3 engineering
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  • reynoldsxdreynoldsxd Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    How can you solve a problem that isn't there?
  • rosetyler51rosetyler51 Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    You almost had a yes from but then you goofed with the console layout. I don't think I have ever heard of an endgame ship with one of any kind of console, soooooo. Let's move that tac console to sci.
  • hpgibbshpgibbs Member Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The forum problem of threads upon threads of fed raiders.
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  • fatman592fatman592 Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I don't know that Feds really want raiders to begin with... maybe they do though.

    The way I see it, a Fed ship needs enough HP to survive being a target. KDF ships need enough damage/surprise to overcome the HP of the target. Builds and experience determines the edge given in the fight. If a ship fails to meet those two necessities, they don't get used in PvP.

    Neither side would want that ship. Anyway, the Xindi and Hirogen Escorts have satisfied many a Fed in terms of speed and raw damage potential.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,007 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I'd say make it a 4/2/3 layout as well, plus the +15 weapon energy should go into aux. Why? A maquis ship should never be able to cloak, but it should encourage you to go for mask energy singature skills, maybe even granting a bonus on those. That would make a bit of sense.

    Of course the maquis doesn't exist anymore, but sine STO doesn't know rhyme, reason nor time or space - the idea actually has merrit. After all, cross-faction radiers are already a thing. Otherwise I'd vote for no.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    hpgibbs wrote: »
    The forum problem of threads upon threads of fed raiders.

    It's very naive (no insult intended, please don't take it as such) to think that something would ever solve the problem of thread over thread over thread of Fed. whineage over everything, except for the game shutting down.
    Cryptic could give them the world and they'd still whine for Mars.
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  • hpgibbshpgibbs Member Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    rosetyler51 wrote: »
    You almost had a yes from but then you goofed with the console layout. I don't think I have ever heard of an endgame ship with one of any kind of console, soooooo. Let's move that tac console to sci.

    Sounds like a good idea, I was just TRIBBLE shooting out there
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  • hpgibbshpgibbs Member Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    shpoks wrote: »
    It's very naive (no insult intended, please don't take it as such) to think that something would ever solve the problem of thread over thread over thread of Fed. whineage over everything, except for the game shutting down.
    Cryptic could give them the world and they'd still whine for Mars.

    No insult taken. I know how the forums are, never is anyone satisfied or happy. Doesn't mean we can't be optimistic to shut a few of them up, right?
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    fatman592 wrote: »
    I don't know that Feds really want raiders to begin with... maybe they do though.

    The extreme rarity of Plesh Breks suggests that they don't.
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  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    rosetyler51 wrote: »
    You almost had a yes from but then you goofed with the console layout. I don't think I have ever heard of an endgame ship with one of any kind of console, soooooo. Let's move that tac console to sci.

    lol you haven't played a klingon ship then, look at the c store mogh for the latest example.


    and a 4 3 weapon layout is better then the best KDF BoP they got 4 2 and not any of them have 5 tac consoles. even the tier 5 Brel bop only has 3 tac consoles.

    after years of begging from the kdf to fix our Bop and make it viable again this ship described by the OP would just be a slap in the face.
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  • hpgibbshpgibbs Member Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    The extreme rarity of Plesh Breks suggests that they don't.

    Well you don't see many chell gretts, corvettes, cruise liners either. The event ships aren't the best (though not bad, and I'm not saying you can't do great with them) but with it being the only option, it kind of turns people off to the idea. And the Plesh Brek is really a glass cannon, and a lot of people aren't great with those, and you know how many pugs are. If they can't build a cruiser to last in ISE, how will they make a glass cannon last any longer?
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  • corelogikcorelogik Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The problem doesn't need to be solved as it doesn't exist. Fed's don't have Raiders because the concept of "Raider" goes against the ideals of of the Federation. End of problem.

    Problem solved.
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  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    simply put, **** off.
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  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    tehbubbaloo wrote: »
    simply put, **** off.

    i wish we could thumbs up or thums down posts here LOL this gets a thumbs up from me LOL
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan
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    edited August 2014
    rosetyler51 wrote: »
    You almost had a yes from but then you goofed with the console layout. I don't think I have ever heard of an endgame ship with one of any kind of console, soooooo. Let's move that tac console to sci.
    bugship, one science console
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  • sle1989sle1989 Member Posts: 552 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    If Feds get any kind of Cstore Raider they should just put the non fleet Aquarius in the Cstore with the Raider buff. If they do that the HoH'SuS should be put in the Cstore as well (Perhaps each can even have a discount if you own the appropriate Bortasqu' or Odyssey).
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    rosetyler51 wrote: »
    You almost had a yes from but then you goofed with the console layout. I don't think I have ever heard of an endgame ship with one of any kind of console, soooooo. Let's move that tac console to sci.

    Actually, that's the exact console layout the Scimitar uses.

    EDIT: Strike that. Scimmy's got a 5/2/3 layout.
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  • wilbor2wilbor2 Member Posts: 1,684 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I had a maquis raider modal when i was a kid i liked it but i think in DS9 they used them as fighters.
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    shadowfang240 wrote: »
    bugship, one science console
    War and Tactical Bortasqu' variants also have one sci console.

    Other 9-console ships with 1 Science console are the anniversary Bortas and the C-Store Avenger and Mogh. All three have 4 Tac/4 Eng/1 Sci.

    IMO, a better option for a raider would be the Aquarius, which shares a lot of features with the HoH'SuS.
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan
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    edited August 2014
    mandoknight89 wrote: »
    War and Tactical Bortasqu' variants also have one sci console.

    Other 9-console ships with 1 Science console are the anniversary Bortas and the C-Store Avenger and Mogh. All three have 4 Tac/4 Eng/1 Sci.

    IMO, a better option for a raider would be the Aquarius, which shares a lot of features with the HoH'SuS.
    i knew there had to be others

    the bugship was just the first one that came to me
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  • dsarisdsaris Member Posts: 374 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    IMO all of the "light" Fed Escorts should be reclassed as Raiders.

    Defiant, Aquarius, Saber, etc. You could really even include the Andorian if you want. True these ships are (generally) more durable than the KDF Raiders but they lack the inbuilt cloak.

    Actual Escort status should go for the bigger and more durable ships.

    Akira, Prometheus, Tempest, etc. as these ships have generally similar characteristics to the KDF Raptors.
  • dknight0001dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542
    edited August 2014
    You want to classify them as raiders remove a rear weapon and a good chunk of hull.

    Seriously the Defiant is one of the most powerful Escorts in the game, it should not get a Raider bonus.

    To the OP you can't take the pro of the Fleet Norgh's BOFF layout without taking the con of it's Console layout.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The only real 'problem' regarding the idea of 'Fed raiders' is that nobody wants to pay the costs for the advantages of a 'Raider'-type ship, but still want all the benefits.

    IF they ever release a Fed raider, don't automatically expect it to have all the same toughness as a newer top of the line escort and all that fun stuff, as if the devs have any sense left, it will be balanced out somehow with the extras you have for it.
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  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Without wanting to troll, what was the problem with FED raiders again?
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  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I used my Plesh brek for everything, was my first ship to break 20k dps with cannons.

    Also first ship I did wave 10 nws in

    I'd trade it for a norg but before fper and the contortrix..it was my go to ship...was able to get creative with my builds instead of purely min/maxing the stations I was given. my biggest complaint was the commander tactical, was detrimental for my really crazy ideas
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  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Instead of a maquis raider, why not have that layout on a new cryptic designed ship along the same lines as an Akula class . A 2410 redux of the Akula, if you will.
    The way I see it, the feds would be making a ton more light cruisers and the like than dreadnaughts. It wouldn't make much sense to have a maquis raider as a fed ship anyway.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan
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    edited August 2014
    captainoblivous wrote: »
    Instead of a maquis raider, why not have that layout on a new cryptic designed ship along the same lines as an Akula class . A 2410 redux of the Akula, if you will.
    The way I see it, the feds would be making a ton more light cruisers and the like than dreadnaughts. It wouldn't make much sense to have a maquis raider as a fed ship anyway.
    why would it not make sense for a federation ship design to be used as a federation ship?

    the maquis raider was originally federation, according to its MA article
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    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"

    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
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  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    shadowfang240 wrote: »
    why would it not make sense for a federation ship design to be used as a federation ship?

    the maquis raider was originally federation, according to its MA article

    Afaik, it was a civilian ship that simply had weapons etc grafted on, rather than being a purpose built fleet vessel.
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  • kapla1755kapla1755 Member Posts: 1,249
    edited August 2014
    hpgibbs wrote: »
    No insult taken. I know how the forums are, never is anyone satisfied or happy. Doesn't mean we can't be optimistic to shut a few of them up, right?

    You would have better luck using a roll of duct tape :P
    starswordc wrote: »
    The extreme rarity of Plesh Breks suggests that they don't.


    Plesh brek Heavy raider
    Hull Strength: 29,700

    Fleet Hosus BoP
    Hull: 27,225

    B'rel retrofit
    Hull: 24,750

    wiki may have the numbers outta date after the raider boost of 10%?

    hpgibbs wrote: »
    Well you don't see many chell gretts, corvettes, cruise liners either. The event ships aren't the best (though not bad, and I'm not saying you can't do great with them) but with it being the only option, it kind of turns people off to the idea. And the Plesh Brek is really a glass cannon, and a lot of people aren't great with those, and you know how many pugs are. If they can't build a cruiser to last in ISE, how will they make a glass cannon last any longer?

    Raiders are supposed to be glass cannons its kinda the point, strike hard and fade away if needed, if they can't make the "Heavy Raider" work then they would hate a true standard raider. I fly Plesh Breks, Chel Gretts, Risian corvettes, and Risian cruisers on a regular basis including STFs and CCE but I do see less Plesh Breks that any of the rest. Supposedly they are going to give the Aquarius the raider bonus or some other bonus to bring it up to par as it is the closest to a true raider and not sure I have ever seen anyone fly one of those.

    Frankly its easier to roll a KDF alt if they just wanna fly a raider as has been stated numerous times over numerous threads or back to the duct tape. :P
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    kapla1755 wrote: »
    Plesh brek Heavy raider
    Hull Strength: 29,700

    Fleet Hosus BoP
    Hull: 27,225

    B'rel retrofit
    Hull: 24,750

    Fleet B'rel Hull: 27,225 (same as Ho'Sus)

    although I understand that wasnt your point
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