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Are the Oddy, Bort and Scim being replaced with new T6 flagships?
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Because it makes no sense to me that the current "flagships" of each respective faction be left at T5 (or T5U at best) when we have a whole new better tier of ship coming out.
Is the intention to replace these classes with new vessels to serve as their respective faction flagships? If not they should be given a bump to full T6, not T5U.
Is the intention to replace these classes with new vessels to serve as their respective faction flagships? If not they should be given a bump to full T6, not T5U.
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There is more to being a Flagship than just being a frontline ship. The Flagship is also a symbol. Its not something to be traded in the minute something new comes along.
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They're just ships. They're years old. They're still good for what they are -- except the Bort. That just sucks.
The Oddy will remain the flagship until it's destroyed in combat. Then another ship may come forth. That doesn't change how things work. Newer ships have come out that put the Oddy to shame.
And... at the time the Bort was the ONLY new KDF ship in YEARS. That's the only real reason it was made a flagship, but the dropped the ball in every aspect of the ship's design and it is a terrible flop. It has since, rightfully, been superceded with better ships and designs that players actually WANT and USE.
Neither of these designs has any special mert simply because, once (years ago), they were labeled as "flagships."
I'm upset as most about the stupid T6 changes, but let's can the whole "Flagships are special and should be T6!!!" chants, shall we? That's a false argument.
What the OP means is that the Bortasqu, Oddy and Scim deserve to be T6 right from the start, that they don't require a refit to be made T6.
In universe, the Oddy and Bortasqu have only been around for one year.
Well, not replace but they could add a set of T6 flagship refits to the C-store (a la the Regent Class or Galaxy X) at some point in the future. New customization bits (to make it apparent that they've been upgraded) new consoles, new layouts, and all they would have to do for the Enterprise-F, Bortasqu, and Lllise..thingy is to say they've spent a bit of time in dock getting extra fins or nacelles nailed on.
It would incidentally make for good First Contact day or 5th anniversary release.
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There are no free ships that are eligible for upgrade, that means only the anniversary editions don't count.
Recheck the list.
No, the fact is they were only held back to T5 to fit in STO's then current endgame - now we are at T6, they can be put to where they belong.
Every Oddy deserves to be T6 - and I don't have an Oddy.
Unlike the ships we fly, the Enterprise-F is graced with impenetrable plot armor and powerful deus ex machina abilities. IT is the flagship, not the Oddy sitting in my spacedock.
At no time is it ever truly in danger of being destroyed, until Cryptic decides that the plot armor has to go.
Also, it has Captain Shon and his epic crew. Remember when we get his special "Hero power" during Sphere of Influence? Imagine a bridge officer roster filled with guys like THAT.
So, no. I have no problem with the idea that a T6 ship might be better than an Odyssey. It's still not a flagship with plot armor. Same goes for the other factions' flagships.
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Yes, just an Odyssey. Why not a T6 Odyssey refit? Its a popular ship and people will probably be keen on a new one that takes advantage of the new abilities (and fixes some of the problems with the old configuration, even aesthetically.)
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Tier 4 supposed to be mainly TNG-Era ships
Tier 5 is post TNG-Era - Pre 2409 ships
and Tier 6 is 2409 / 2410 Starships.
So it boggles the mind why brand new starships that's still got that new starship smell, outdated immediately after they launched? The Regent, the Avenger, Odyssey, Bortasque, the Falchion, and other 2409 ships should be Tier 6 ships.
Not saying they should have all the Tier 6 goodies, instead I suggest there bet two types of Tier 6 ships. The new with the BOFF and all the new goodies, and the old that don't have the post-Dyson innovations. That way you introduce a 4th type of playstyle that isn't Cruiser/Escort/Science Ship.
Because it is a brand new design of Starfleet Cruiser for the 25th Century, unlike the Sovvy and Galaxy which are 24th Century ships, ex-flagships and no longer the best, and so are T5 and deserve to be T5.
Have you ever paid attention what this ships can do?
The Enterprise for example does Torpedo High Yield III and Torpedo Spread III along with Gravitywells and other nifty stuff.
It throws Tricobalt devices from the front and Aft section along with the regular torpedos and still sporting alots of beams on the broadsides.
I dont think a player controlled Odyssey is capable of all that.
Curios to see the ships layout and BoFF configuration but I am pretty sure its top notch and far above our current T5.5.
Therefore T6. Issue solved.
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Well actually isn't that the split between T6 and T5-U? The former gets the new boffs (with space to put them) and the starship trait at that exclusive mastery level 5 and the latter gets a comparable stat upgrade, including 4 mastery levels, but no trait or specialist boff space.
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STO is an ever evolving game. New things come out, that make older things not as badass. Happens in EVERY MMO that's out there. Even WoW. One day you're top tier badass, the next an expansion launches and now you're leveling again. It happens.
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The Odyssey Class is supposed to be the Federation's new state of the art cruiser. In terms of STO lore, it was only launched a year ago.
Therefore a FULL T6 version should be made available.
It's a brand new design from last year. This year they came out with T6 technology.
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That is irrelevant when the Oddy and Bortasqu are barely a year into their life - they were held back to fit in STO's T5 endgame out of universe, and now we are onto T6, we can put them back where they belong.
Starfleet's new state of the art cruiser should not become yesterday's news after a year.
It was also launched before the federation found a great bit spherical super weapon floating free in space for anyone to rummage through. The original design is outdated. So, lets have a refit that does incorportate those recent technological advances with what WAS state of the art "one" year ago in game time. Its an easy c-store sell (people like these ships) and it would allow the chance to improve their original setups and design
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Its beyond state of the art, the Oddy, the Scim (even if it doesn't need an upgrade) and the Bortasqu are where state of the art wishes it was.
It's not yesterday's news...it can be upgraded to T5U.
and sometimes in real life that's how things happen. Something is state of the art one year and not the next.
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In any case, I really hope they will offer a full T6 Odyssey some way or another...I would pay for it.
I just don't want to stop flying my Odyssey in order to get all the T6 bells whistles on a new design.
I have grown attached to the Oddy's design as it feels (to me) like a 25th equivalent of the Galaxy. It's the only non-canon design I have truly come to love (and maybe also the Vesta which comes from Trek lit).
I just don't want to be forced into buying one of the new designs in order to get full T6.
Not in Star Trek - these ships are intended for over a century of service at least, these 3 will still be active service when the Ent-J is being designed.
You probably won't in time. You look at any of the iconic T5 ships that hasn't had a refit yet (ex. Galaxy-X, Vesta) and there you have a perfect candidate for a T6 re-release. How fast those will come though will probably depend on development schedules so I wouldn't plan on using the specialist boffs in space on something distinctly ST until later (unless they tie old customization options into the new ships (ex. defiant with the T6 escort, FED heavy cruiser with T6 cruiser, Mogai with T6 warbird, Vorcha with T6 battlecruiser, ec.t). T6 stargazer might be the first thing we get after all...)
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