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earwigvr6earwigvr6 Member Posts: 293 Arc User
edited August 2014 in The Academy
So all my ships that I have ALREADY bought using real hard cash from the Zen store I will have to PAY AGAIN in order to still be able to use them ?

Please tell me how this is fair ?

I have to say I am pretty disgusted by this and am likely not to put another penny into this game the way things are going.

Money grabbing appears to be getting worse and worse and the gameplay follows suit and gets worse and worse...

I cannot see my ship firing anymore and maps are becoming laggy and unresponsive due to all the added TRIBBLE to ships lately, bubbles floating around all overt the place and so on..... But I am expected to pay again for a ship I have already bought in order to be able to use it ?

Yeah sure....

Also I know you can still use the ships, but they are going to be at a severe disadvantage to the T6 ships....

It would have been far better to pay for an upgrade to Lockbox ships would it not ? Would that not have been the fairer way to do things ?

I rarely log in and play these days as the game is just a walk in the park with the power creep. Any elite STF can be done in a matter of minutes, with only Hive taking a while longer, but still no real challenge. I was hoping the new expansion would shed some new light on a game that I "Used" to love and enjoy, but this really is a bit of a brick wall for me and one I don't think I feel like climbing over :-(
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  • forcemajeureforcemajeure Member Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    No, the ship you already paid for you get to keep, at no additional cost.

    The ship you would pay to upgrade to is actually a better ship, with more abilities, an extra console slot, and tougher. It is also an account unlock so it upgrades any other ships of that type you may own.

    I seriously can't believe the whining and negativity generated by portions of the community on this.

    "We want new content, new ships, new races, new stuff. But we want all our current stuff to remain top of the line, for free, forever."

    Many ship upgrades are free. Others are account unlocks for a reasonable price. STO is a business, they need to generate income, or you will have NOTHING, zero, zip, nada to play. Buying a ship once doesn't pay their bills forever.

    Would I prefer a slightly lower price? Sure, why not? Will I carefully choose which ships to upgrade and which to leave T5? Of course. Will my monthly zen stipend cover all the ships I want to upgrade? Easy, just takes a couple months.

    Apparently tantrums is the new way of communicating customer feedback. Probably why devs don't spend much time in forums in general.
  • lhoygowlhoygow Member Posts: 311 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I'm ok with it, I'm expecting the T6 ships to cost 3000 zen vs the 2500 for T5, so it is fair and reasonable to expect a 500 zen charge to keep your T5 competitive. What would not be fair and reasonable is for the cheaper T5 ship to have stats of a T6. Now this is based on the T6 being more expensive, if they are in fact the same cost then I would side with you.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The ship you would pay to upgrade to is actually a better ship, with more abilities, an extra console slot, and tougher.
    Its half an upgrade at full cost. T5+fleet+T5FU is $30-40 of zen and you only get half the features of a T6 ship. T6 plus fleet upgrade (because cryptic isnt going to walk away from *that* Dil sink) is going to be even more powerful and the $30-40 expenditure will have been dead-ended. Rational self-interest for them and for us, its a TRIBBLE deal.

    Lookit there's an escape valve you can buy T6 ships and retire your T5s...

    Door #3 says, if I have to start over, do it somewhere else.
  • gendou#6914 gendou Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I think the argument is that you're not being forced to pay again to keep using them.
    They're the exact same ships you've had for the last however many years. Nothing is being taken away from them, and you're not losing anything that you have right now.

    However, if you want those same ships to remain competitive in the new content, you will have to pay a small fee.

    ... now, all of that having been said - I agree with you to some extent.
    If they continue charging $20-$25USD for spaceships, they should upgrade those ships for free.
    And not this half-assed T5U thing they've posited - full upgrade to T6, with traits and Bridge Officer abilities. If "not all T6 ships get the new class of BOff," then not all upgraded ships should have it either - but the ones it would make sense for, they should get it.

    STO is unique in having the 'spaceship' conceit. They need to recognize that these ships we've paid real-world money for are not like raid gear in other MMOs - that would be the space sets and fleet gear we've ground out over time. That's another issue for another day.

    But these ships are more like unique classes or races that players can pay for, and by charging money for them, there was and remains an expectation that they will continue to be not just useable but useful and competitive.

    The developers need to rethink the direction they're taking the game with this expansion with regards to the current offering of C-Store ships. At the very least, the entire upgrade system needs to be reconsidered.
  • gagocashgagocash Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    earwigvr6 wrote: »
    So all my ships that I have ALREADY bought using real hard cash from the Zen store I will have to PAY AGAIN in order to still be able to use them ?

    Please tell me how this is fair ?

    I have to say I am pretty disgusted by this and am likely not to put another penny into this game the way things are going.

    Money grabbing appears to be getting worse and worse and the gameplay follows suit and gets worse and worse...

    I cannot see my ship firing anymore and maps are becoming laggy and unresponsive due to all the added TRIBBLE to ships lately, bubbles floating around all overt the place and so on..... But I am expected to pay again for a ship I have already bought in order to be able to use it ?

    Yeah sure....

    Also I know you can still use the ships, but they are going to be at a severe disadvantage to the T6 ships....

    It would have been far better to pay for an upgrade to Lockbox ships would it not ? Would that not have been the fairer way to do things ?

    I rarely log in and play these days as the game is just a walk in the park with the power creep. Any elite STF can be done in a matter of minutes, with only Hive taking a while longer, but still no real challenge. I was hoping the new expansion would shed some new light on a game that I "Used" to love and enjoy, but this really is a bit of a brick wall for me and one I don't think I feel like climbing over :-(
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  • donluiningdonluining Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Perhaps they need money to keep the game going? I hope we all realize that without money STO will cease to excist?
  • admiralcarteradmiralcarter Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Hello.

    You dont want to pay again? Then dont!
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  • adwynythadwynyth Member Posts: 369 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Seriously? Another thread on this subject?
    Well, this one's different. It's HIS. And it's in a different place. That makes it distinctive, and somehow useful.</sarcasm>
  • dragnridrdragnridr Member Posts: 671 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    donluining wrote: »
    Perhaps they need money to keep the game going? I hope we all realize that without money STO will cease to excist?

    Then why not charge for the expansions and give us what we want? I would rather pay $20 for a new expansion and get what I want than get a free expasion while flying a half-assed upgraded T5-U ship.

    "Pay for the T6 ship then.." I still probably will, but there is still life left in the T5 ships that WON'T get the chance at getting upgraded. The regular Obelisk was a viable carrier, but since it's getting sidelined because it was an "Episode reward" despite being LIMITED TIME ONLY, the Dyson ships along with the other event ships gets free upgrades.

    If they do one type of ship, they need to allow upgrades for ALL ships.
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  • edlemmingedlemming Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    earwigvr6 wrote: »
    So all my ships that I have ALREADY bought using real hard cash from the Zen store I will have to PAY AGAIN in order to still be able to use them ?

    You still can use them ;) so you dont have to pay anything. Just to get them Upgradet you need to pay. But you also need to pay when you want a fleet version of a ship so calm down its no drama :) nothing realy changed ^^
  • gagocashgagocash Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    edlemming wrote: »
    nothing realy changed ^^
    Wrong, all your gear and ships are old and outdated now, they are no longer ENDGAME like before. this has changed. we have lost now our endgame stuff, thats it. its gone. all the hard work, time and money we have spend for the game, its all gone now.
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  • edlemmingedlemming Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    gagocash wrote: »
    Wrong, all your gear and ships are old and outdated now, they are no longer ENDGAME like before. this has changed. we have lost now our endgame stuff, thats it. its gone. all the hard work, time and money we have spend for the game, its all gone now.

    Thats normal when a MMORPG increases the lvl cap. Its the way this kind of games evolves. If you wanna farm BIS gear and then be done with it this is the wrong type of game for you
  • gagocashgagocash Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    edlemming wrote: »
    Thats normal when a MMORPG increases the lvl cap. Its the way this kind of games evolves. If you wanna farm BIS gear and then be done with it this is the wrong type of game for you
    The upgrades should be free for everyone who already bought his zen ships and the upgrades should be full upgrades to T6. why do we have to pay 2 times for the same ship, only because of a small half-assed upgrade? we already have bought our zen ships, why charge us twice? do they really think i will pay 285$ upgrade costs for my for free farmed 47 ships and 10 shuttles? lol
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  • edlemmingedlemming Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    gagocash wrote: »
    The upgrades should be free for everyone who already bought his zen ships and the upgrades should be full upgrades to T6. why do we have to pay 2 times for the same ship, only because of a small half-assed upgrade? we already have bought our zen ships, why charge us twice? do they really think i will pay 285$ upgrade costs for my for free farmed 47 ships and 10 shuttles? lol

    Why should they be free? You payed for a Product and recieved it. Its like you buy now a BMW and in 2 years the new Modell comes out and you could expect them to give you a free upgrade. Also lets face in 3-4 Month after Season 10 is out most prolly nearly everyone who regulary play will have at least 1 T6 ship.

    Also as you said you farmed them for FREE. So they didnt made money for something they had to pay someone to modell / texture etc.

    As stated before you still can use them. The only thing that changes is that they aint state of the art anymore. What a drama. Instead of hating the upgrade system try to look forward to the changes etc. we gonna get.
  • tucana66tucana66 Member Posts: 710 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I have to wonder: If Cryptic/PWE had made a significant investment/upgrade in PvP for STO, what would the conversation be?

    Some people want a chance to upgrade their ships (even if they've previously paid for them in C-Store purchases, etc.) for PvP. That's NOT me; I rarely PvP. But it makes me curious if there were new PvP functionalities, maps, etc., then would we complain as much about the T5U costs?

    Just something to think about.
  • mrbucbuckmrbucbuck Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    T5U......that's alot of "my" ships to upgrade.....Crytic has finally done it, CB. They have effectively figured out how to make even more money----our money. I just need more tier 6 ship slots.....:rolleyes:
  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    edlemming wrote: »
    Thats normal when a MMORPG increases the lvl cap. Its the way this kind of games evolves. If you wanna farm BIS gear and then be done with it this is the wrong type of game for you

    Normal MMORPG's don't make you pay a real money based currency for top end gear and character progression.
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