Cryptic CAN made difficult content, sadly though actions would suggest that their data then tells them that most players don't actually want difficult content, they just want to feel awesome.
Guilty as charged
Well, not really. But I dislike kabooming and do like feeling awesome, so it stands to reason that I'm not going out of my way to make it harder than it has to be.
Not that I build to do anything except please myself. Don't min-max. Don't run Elites on Elite difficulty. Don't PvP. Do load up on gimmick consoles 'cause I likes tricksy things, my precious...
Yeah, I figure the odds are high that I will both upgrade some ships to 5U and buy one or more T6's if I like them enough. Not really because I need to.
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Well, you must not have seen my posts then. Cause I figured Cryptic/PWE for the money grubbing blankedy blanks to do exactly what they are doing. Just look at their history of player-TRIBBLE moves and there should be no shock. Sure, they occasionally give away something for free (after sales of X drops to zero) but overall they have no respect for the players. And most players act like a beaten housewife and keep taking the abuse and keep giving Cryptic money.
We KNEW the T6 was going to be stronger. They SAID SO FROM THE START. So stop playing the I knew it all along BS. We ALL knew it, unless your a bleeding moron. The question was HOW MUCH. And honestly, what they proposed isn't bad at all...I'd be happier if they added a boff station with that console slot, but not bad at all.
And about a week ago or so I literally said "the tier 5 upgrade will be some hull and maybe a console."
Guess what? I was pretty much RIGHT. So everybody is all up in arms because the upgrade isn't exactly what a tier 6 is or even close which if you listened to the devs, they said this would be so.
The fact that everybody is shocked it's like this does actually make them bleeding morons as you say. Hell I'm shocked they are giving 4 out of 5 mastery levels.
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STB guys I fly with all the time just did Star Base 24 on elite with tier 2s, and another with tier 1s! Had fun doing it too!
O' GOD I miss those days. Now days people barely get thru them with fleet and lockbox ships. You should see the venom when I show in an ESTF with a T3 ship.
O' GOD I miss those days. Now days people barely get thru them with fleet and lockbox ships. You should see the venom when I show in an ESTF with a T3 ship.
STB on Starbase 24 is a pretty smoothly run operation. And the numerous times I ran it with them, it was such a fun TREK RP experience too.
I just don't grasp why people think their entitled to an upgrade at all let alone a free one, when no other tier level of ship has ever been able to be upgraded to anything more than it was when you bought it.
I guess the first mistake a lot of these people are making is viewing anything in those or any other game as an "investment". It is so not an investment. Any money you have, do or will spend on this or any other game is a short term expenditure for entertainment. New entertainment will come out at intervals and you will have to pay for that. Way the world works, save your self some grief, get used to it.
We do not want players to feel that their investment in the current ships is devalued by the expansion, and this is a very challenging thing to do for a game with four years of history since the last level cap increase.
Like it or not, Cryptic has now officially told us that Lockbox/Lobi ship (and to a lesser extent, fleet and C-Store ships) are "investments", and I think looking at it that way, the forum rage about the cost is understandable. I think there's a good argument that you should be right and these ships should *not* be considered investments, but that's not how Cryptic or the game economy developed. Therefore, here we are.
To me, what the T5-U versus T6 debate comes down to is whether or not a single BOFF power is worth more than a console slot. As we don't currently know how either will be implemented, there's a chance that some T5-U ships will be stronger and more competitive than a T6 ship, at least at first.
Well, not really. But I dislike kabooming and do like feeling awesome, so it stands to reason that I'm not going out of my way to make it harder than it has to be.
Not that I build to do anything except please myself. Don't min-max. Don't run Elites on Elite difficulty. Don't PvP. Do load up on gimmick consoles 'cause I likes tricksy things, my precious...
Yeah, I figure the odds are high that I will both upgrade some ships to 5U and buy one or more T6's if I like them enough. Not really because I need to.
There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with that bud, in fact 80-90% of the time I feel the same way. I play just for kicks, and sure love to feel awesomely powerful (hence I love my Galaxy X, I love how it's a ship that folks keep complaining about, yet for some strange reason I find really rather powerful. lol). I'm not complaining about players who don't want a big challenge, in fact I find games that are nothing but challenge really frustrating after a while and tend to quit to play something else. Heck, if I was as much of a challenge fan as I may have come across, why have I NEVER tried to PUG Hive Onslaught?
My aim was just to point out to people that the devs have now got a track record of NOT adding very challenging content, and are probably not suddenly going to start now. Lots of people seem to think that only they know the real facts, but the biggest fact, or truth, is that in the majority of MMOs the majority of players play in order to feel awesome, one way or another. They either want to be made to feel all powerful and heroic blowing up npc ships, or they want to do the same in PvP. The fastest way to turn a large game community into a small one is to make the content too challenging (ie. frustrating).
Others have already hit the nail on the head here. The only people who really have even the slightest reason to feel a little cheesed off are the PvP community, as they are the only ones who WILL feel any real negative impact from T6 and T5-U, and feel pressured to pay out. However it's pretty apparent, to me at least, that the PvP gamer isn't really the target audience for STO.
For everybody else, the ships they have haven't been nerfed or rendered obsolete in any way, unless they are a min maxer who has to have the best of everything (eg. me sometimes. lol), but that's a choice, nobody forces folks to min/max. T5 and fleet ships will continue to be just as useful in PvE content, all Scimitar teams will continue to roll through ISE as if they're just sneezing out brightly coloured death. The addition of T5-U and T6 is, truly, no different to when they added the Kumari, the Scimitar (and yeah, even the Romulans with the operative trait), the Avenger and the Mogh. It's no surprise though that people are getting so upset, they got upset with the release of those ships too... Yet folks are still happily using the Galaxy X, Excelsior, etc etc etc. Heck, I even saw a Defiant in ISE the other day (blowing up a lot, whilst trying to use strafing run tactics....).
Fear of change is a powerful motivator for anger it seems.
Me, I'm just not that bothered by it all, as I don't see the problem. It's really not that big a deal, and a lot of it will be "fixed" in a few months after release anyway, prompting more forum rage from folks who forgot that this is the cycle of new stuff in pretty much ALL MMOs, as the devs try to get things "right".
MMOs are, in my experience, like a constant beta test but without character wipes. Test servers are more like alpha testing, the real testing starts on official launch.
Like it or not, Cryptic has now officially told us that Lockbox/Lobi ship (and to a lesser extent, fleet and C-Store ships) are "investments", and I think looking at it that way, the forum rage about the cost is understandable. I think there's a good argument that you should be right and these ships should *not* be considered investments, but that's not how Cryptic or the game economy developed. Therefore, here we are.
To me, what the T5-U versus T6 debate comes down to is whether or not a single BOFF power is worth more than a console slot. As we don't currently know how either will be implemented, there's a chance that some T5-U ships will be stronger and more competitive than a T6 ship, at least at first.
Doesn't mean they're right. Which they aren't. When the game closes down, you'll be left with nothing. Hence, not an investment.
An investment has to have SOMETHING to show at the end of it, even if it's just on paper. When the game goes, all we'll have is memories, fond and otherwise.
Anyway. I look forward to my planned upgrades and flying my ships like I always do,.. while I evaluate if theres any T6 ships I like or think worth buying.
Carry on, carry on.
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Yes another tier 6 ship thread but this is something I feel NOBODY is asking besides me.
Yes many are ticked (me included) about the whole tier 5U thing. But I asked people this WEEKS ago when the tier 6 ships were first announced and everybody just didn't want to listen or simply have blind faith that their precious tier 5 ships wouldn't be outclassed.
So let me ask this again and it's a real simple question.
What would be the point of tier 6 ships if they were not a cut above or stronger in some way?
Seriously people what's the point?
When you answer that question like I did, you'll see that tier 5 ships were NEVER going to be as strong as tier 6.
I never expected the T5 ships to be like T6. But I was thinking they would be close. Like the T5 vs Fleet T5. They are very similar minus a few features. From what I read on the upgrades they was spot on to what I was thinking. They are still useable, not garbage, junk, or obsolete. Like many says they will be.
My biggest issue was solved on the regular missions, rep grinds, etc. As you can still do them without having to upgrade. So that is optional if you want it. So that helped my issue out.
As for the zen to spend, the company needs money to keep going. So the ones who wants the best, STFs, PVP won't have issues spending it to keep on playing like that. Myself I'm thinking on the upgrades, but now it will be at my own leisure.
As for the new T6 ships, I'm not sure on them. Unless I see something I really want. The Typhoon class could be a candidate. I would jump on that ship.
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if the T6 romulan cruiser looks good, i'll get it. if not, im just gonna keep steamrolling all the content in my fleet D'deridex, most likely the new content too
I agree with you. I figure if the new tier 6 ships are nice and shiny. I will get one like a car on a dealership's lot. If not I will stay with my tier 5U fleet excelsior. I have no problem paying a extortion fee just as long as the fleet excelsior gets a really nice upgrade. Even if it is a extra console slot or bridge officer slot. For now all we can do is hope.
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Guilty as charged
Well, not really. But I dislike kabooming and do like feeling awesome, so it stands to reason that I'm not going out of my way to make it harder than it has to be.
Not that I build to do anything except please myself. Don't min-max. Don't run Elites on Elite difficulty. Don't PvP. Do load up on gimmick consoles 'cause I likes tricksy things, my precious...
Yeah, I figure the odds are high that I will both upgrade some ships to 5U and buy one or more T6's if I like them enough. Not really because I need to.
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And about a week ago or so I literally said "the tier 5 upgrade will be some hull and maybe a console."
Guess what? I was pretty much RIGHT. So everybody is all up in arms because the upgrade isn't exactly what a tier 6 is or even close which if you listened to the devs, they said this would be so.
The fact that everybody is shocked it's like this does actually make them bleeding morons as you say. Hell I'm shocked they are giving 4 out of 5 mastery levels.
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O' GOD I miss those days. Now days people barely get thru them with fleet and lockbox ships. You should see the venom when I show in an ESTF with a T3 ship.
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
STB on Starbase 24 is a pretty smoothly run operation. And the numerous times I ran it with them, it was such a fun TREK RP experience too.
I think the EP disagrees with you:
Like it or not, Cryptic has now officially told us that Lockbox/Lobi ship (and to a lesser extent, fleet and C-Store ships) are "investments", and I think looking at it that way, the forum rage about the cost is understandable. I think there's a good argument that you should be right and these ships should *not* be considered investments, but that's not how Cryptic or the game economy developed. Therefore, here we are.
To me, what the T5-U versus T6 debate comes down to is whether or not a single BOFF power is worth more than a console slot. As we don't currently know how either will be implemented, there's a chance that some T5-U ships will be stronger and more competitive than a T6 ship, at least at first.
There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with that bud, in fact 80-90% of the time I feel the same way. I play just for kicks, and sure love to feel awesomely powerful (hence I love my Galaxy X, I love how it's a ship that folks keep complaining about, yet for some strange reason I find really rather powerful. lol). I'm not complaining about players who don't want a big challenge, in fact I find games that are nothing but challenge really frustrating after a while and tend to quit to play something else. Heck, if I was as much of a challenge fan as I may have come across, why have I NEVER tried to PUG Hive Onslaught?
My aim was just to point out to people that the devs have now got a track record of NOT adding very challenging content, and are probably not suddenly going to start now. Lots of people seem to think that only they know the real facts, but the biggest fact, or truth, is that in the majority of MMOs the majority of players play in order to feel awesome, one way or another. They either want to be made to feel all powerful and heroic blowing up npc ships, or they want to do the same in PvP. The fastest way to turn a large game community into a small one is to make the content too challenging (ie. frustrating).
Others have already hit the nail on the head here. The only people who really have even the slightest reason to feel a little cheesed off are the PvP community, as they are the only ones who WILL feel any real negative impact from T6 and T5-U, and feel pressured to pay out. However it's pretty apparent, to me at least, that the PvP gamer isn't really the target audience for STO.
For everybody else, the ships they have haven't been nerfed or rendered obsolete in any way, unless they are a min maxer who has to have the best of everything (eg. me sometimes. lol), but that's a choice, nobody forces folks to min/max. T5 and fleet ships will continue to be just as useful in PvE content, all Scimitar teams will continue to roll through ISE as if they're just sneezing out brightly coloured death. The addition of T5-U and T6 is, truly, no different to when they added the Kumari, the Scimitar (and yeah, even the Romulans with the operative trait), the Avenger and the Mogh. It's no surprise though that people are getting so upset, they got upset with the release of those ships too... Yet folks are still happily using the Galaxy X, Excelsior, etc etc etc. Heck, I even saw a Defiant in ISE the other day (blowing up a lot, whilst trying to use strafing run tactics....).
Fear of change is a powerful motivator for anger it seems.
Me, I'm just not that bothered by it all, as I don't see the problem. It's really not that big a deal, and a lot of it will be "fixed" in a few months after release anyway, prompting more forum rage from folks who forgot that this is the cycle of new stuff in pretty much ALL MMOs, as the devs try to get things "right".
MMOs are, in my experience, like a constant beta test but without character wipes. Test servers are more like alpha testing, the real testing starts on official launch.
Doesn't mean they're right. Which they aren't. When the game closes down, you'll be left with nothing. Hence, not an investment.
An investment has to have SOMETHING to show at the end of it, even if it's just on paper. When the game goes, all we'll have is memories, fond and otherwise.
Anyway. I look forward to my planned upgrades and flying my ships like I always do,.. while I evaluate if theres any T6 ships I like or think worth buying.
Carry on, carry on.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
I never expected the T5 ships to be like T6. But I was thinking they would be close. Like the T5 vs Fleet T5. They are very similar minus a few features. From what I read on the upgrades they was spot on to what I was thinking. They are still useable, not garbage, junk, or obsolete. Like many says they will be.
My biggest issue was solved on the regular missions, rep grinds, etc. As you can still do them without having to upgrade. So that is optional if you want it. So that helped my issue out.
As for the zen to spend, the company needs money to keep going. So the ones who wants the best, STFs, PVP won't have issues spending it to keep on playing like that. Myself I'm thinking on the upgrades, but now it will be at my own leisure.
As for the new T6 ships, I'm not sure on them. Unless I see something I really want. The Typhoon class could be a candidate. I would jump on that ship.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
So here's one for all you Klingons out there! What what!
A dirty yet honorable H-YOU-mahn in prison at Rura Penthe has a visitor. Afterward a most honorable guard asks the terran inmate who the visitor was. The inmate replies in a manner to pique the guard's innate sense of legacy honor and family values: "In my HOUSE, brothers and sisters I have none, but that man's father is my father's son." What's the relationship between the inmate and the visitor?
I agree with you. I figure if the new tier 6 ships are nice and shiny. I will get one like a car on a dealership's lot. If not I will stay with my tier 5U fleet excelsior. I have no problem paying a extortion fee just as long as the fleet excelsior gets a really nice upgrade. Even if it is a extra console slot or bridge officer slot. For now all we can do is hope.
None, and there would be no selling point or they would just release new T5 ships.