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talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
edited August 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Yes another tier 6 ship thread but this is something I feel NOBODY is asking besides me.

Yes many are ticked (me included) about the whole tier 5U thing. But I asked people this WEEKS ago when the tier 6 ships were first announced and everybody just didn't want to listen or simply have blind faith that their precious tier 5 ships wouldn't be outclassed.

So let me ask this again and it's a real simple question.

What would be the point of tier 6 ships if they were not a cut above or stronger in some way?

Seriously people what's the point?

When you answer that question like I did, you'll see that tier 5 ships were NEVER going to be as strong as tier 6.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The only people who really need the "best of the best" are PvPers, collectors/completists, and egomaniacs.

    My Fleet has literally taken T3 ships into ESTFs and won. It is what we do on Fleet nights - outclassed ESTF runs. We used to do T1 Exploration runs, but we cannot do those any more.

    So the real question is will we need T6 ships do to the upcoming content, or do we need T6 ships because our ego demand we get them? My bet is that I will be able to do the upcoming content with my T5.5 ship, but only time will tell.

    But even then I do plan on buying a T6 or two, and probably upgrading some of my T5.5s. Not all of them, but some of them. I do not really care about the costs. As I came to realize a long time ago: I spend more money a month at Starbucks buying latte and scones then I do on the game. I do not mind drop $20-$30.00 a month on a game if I feel it is worthwhile to me. I spend far more then that on other hobbies.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Why do I need a T6 ship when Cryptic can't make hard content.

    Hell Cryptic has not even given me a reason to buy a Fleet ship besides just wanting that extra slot for OCD reasons.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The only people who really need the "best of the best" are PvPers, collectors/completists, and egomaniacs.

    My Fleet has literally taken T3 ships into ESTFs and won. It is what we do on Fleet nights - outclassed ESTF runs. We used to do T1 Exploration runs, but we cannot do those any more.

    So the real question is will we need T6 ships do to the upcoming content, or do we need T6 ships because our ego demand we get them? My bet is that I will be able to do the upcoming content with my T5.5 ship, but only time will tell.

    But even then I do plan on buying a T6 or two, and probably upgrading some of my T5.5s. Not all of them, but some of them. I do not really care about the costs. As I came to realize a long time ago: I spend more money a month at Starbucks buying latte and scones then I do on the game. I do not mind drop $20-$30.00 a month on a game if I feel it is worthwhile to me. I spend far more then that on other hobbies.

    STB guys I fly with all the time just did Star Base 24 on elite with tier 2s, and another with tier 1s! Had fun doing it too!
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  • imadude3imadude3 Member Posts: 825 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    if the T6 romulan cruiser looks good, i'll get it. if not, im just gonna keep steamrolling all the content in my fleet D'deridex, most likely the new content too :D
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    Yes another tier 6 ship thread but this is something I feel NOBODY is asking besides me.

    Yes many are ticked (me included) about the whole tier 5U thing. But I asked people this WEEKS ago when the tier 6 ships were first announced and everybody just didn't want to listen or simply have blind faith that their precious tier 5 ships wouldn't be outclassed.

    So let me ask this again and it's a real simple question.

    What would be the point of tier 6 ships if they were not a cut above or stronger in some way?

    Seriously people what's the point?

    When you answer that question like I did, you'll see that tier 5 ships were NEVER going to be as strong as tier 6.
    What is the point of moving from several dozens of endgame ships to moving to 5 or 6?
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  • carcharodon1975carcharodon1975 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    Yes another tier 6 ship thread but this is something I feel NOBODY is asking besides me.

    Yes many are ticked (me included) about the whole tier 5U thing. But I asked people this WEEKS ago when the tier 6 ships were first announced and everybody just didn't want to listen or simply have blind faith that their precious tier 5 ships wouldn't be outclassed.

    So let me ask this again and it's a real simple question.

    What would be the point of tier 6 ships if they were not a cut above or stronger in some way?

    Seriously people what's the point?

    When you answer that question like I did, you'll see that tier 5 ships were NEVER going to be as strong as tier 6.

    Well,people thought the difference between the T5 upgrade and T6 would be somewhat similar to the difference between T5 and Fleet T5 ships.....but in reality it's more like the difference between a free T4 ship and a Fleet T5 with c-store consoles.And in no way the added Zen cost for the upgrade is remotely reasonable for what people are getting.

    This is what Cryptic calls "taking care of the players'....

    People...Cryptic/PWE is NOT your friend,they will do everything they can to suck your wallets dry,even if they have to lie and cheat to get to your money.

    Say NO! to the upgrades.....say NO! to T6.....DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY,VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!!!!
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    STB guys I fly with all the time just did Star Base 24 on elite with tier 2s, and another with tier 1s! Had fun doing it too!
    Yeah. :) Our Fleet does this type of stuff all the time. We have regular Smallcraft nights, T1 nights, T2 nights, etc. We are just out having fun.

    When we used to do the T1 exploration zone nights there would be like 50 of us moving across a zone in unison. It was so cool because it looked like a giant armada moving toward some huge battle. That is the one thing I really miss about the loss of the exploration zones. :)
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mustrumridcully0 wrote: »
    What is the point of moving from several dozens of endgame ships to moving to 5 or 6?

    Because it wouldn't make PWE as much money as just putting out stronger ships. Come on now, you know the answer.
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    as I have said in another post I can except the t6 ships being introduced and I can except the fact that t5 ships even after the upgrade will never be quite as good as t6 ships and im ok with all of that.
    what I will never except is that some t5 ships will have to pay an upgrade fee when others will not especially when the ones that are having to pay for the upgrade are the ones who have paid already for the ships.
    they should either all be free to upgrade or not bother with the upgrade at all, nobody should have to pay for this especially if you have paid before to get the ship.
    its bad enough to have to pay for one ship but when you are having to upgrade 3 or 9 ships from a bundle the cost is exsessive to the extreme.
    who in their right mind would pay 10000zen for 9 ships then have to pay 4500zen-9000zen to upgrade them.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    bobbydazlers wrote: »
    what I will never except is that some t5 ships will have to pay an upgrade fee when others will not especially when the ones that are having to pay for the upgrade are the ones who have paid already for the ships.
    Keeping in mind that Lockbox ships were paid for too - and in many cases paid far more for then a C-Store ship.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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  • ussinterceptussintercept Member Posts: 627 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The only people who really need the "best of the best" are PvPers, collectors/completists, and egomaniacs.

    Let me remind everyone. This guys opinion is just that an opinion. If people aiming for the top ships are egomaniacs...What does that make you?
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The only people who really need the "best of the best" are PvPers, collectors/completists, and egomaniacs.
    Or people that want to try the new [REDACTED] boff, and the new starship traits, the new boff layout...

    Are you trying to appear more stupid than you are on purpose ?
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    Or people that want to try the new [REDACTED] boff, and the new starship traits, the new boff layout...

    Are you trying to appear more stupid than you are on purpose ?
    If you only want to "try it" you can do that on Tribble for free. You are not required to spend money to try it.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • bones1970bones1970 Member Posts: 953 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The only people who really need the "best of the best" are PvPers, collectors/completists, and egomaniacs.

    My Fleet has literally taken T3 ships into ESTFs and won. It is what we do on Fleet nights - outclassed ESTF runs. We used to do T1 Exploration runs, but we cannot do those any more.

    And people that want to set records (couse there is nothing else to do !!)
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    talonxv wrote: »
    Yes another tier 6 ship thread but this is something I feel NOBODY is asking besides me.

    Yes many are ticked (me included) about the whole tier 5U thing. But I asked people this WEEKS ago when the tier 6 ships were first announced and everybody just didn't want to listen or simply have blind faith that their precious tier 5 ships wouldn't be outclassed.
    I think you're confusing "blind faith" with skepticism and reasonable expectations.
    talonxv wrote: »
    So let me ask this again and it's a real simple question.

    What would be the point of tier 6 ships if they were not a cut above or stronger in some way?

    Seriously people what's the point?
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    talonxv wrote: »
    When you answer that question like I did, you'll see that tier 5 ships were NEVER going to be as strong as tier 6.
    That's why they can gain the power levels of tier 6 ships then as T5u ships.

    I'm not sure what your point with all this is regardless.
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  • wildweasalwildweasal Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The only people who really need the "best of the best" are PvPers, collectors/completists, and egomaniacs.

    .

    Being all 3 I approve this message MOAR SHIPS!!!! Oh and did anybody notice how they made sure to say twice future t6 ships may NOT HAVE the extra bells and whistles ? I fail to see what all the tears are for good lord it's not that bad to be in a t5u ship most good pvpers will face roll you in in a t 4 ship
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2
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    edited August 2014
    First off darn another tread like it is one not enough.... that said what noncense you are blabering about OP if you follow the shows you know the devs said clearly "We make sure that your ships will not be outclassed"thats what almost every dev said if you don't believe me watch stoked or priority one to confirm it...

    Ships will not be outclassed or worthless in any way....

    If you do read the blogs you noticed that almost every tier 5 will be able to get the learning curve this means when you progressing true the tiers the ship will adapt and the end result is that your ship wll end at tier 6 only the new ship may have an unique slot not all of them but some will...

    So realy start reading before writing.... and for one I welcome this change and hope we will soon have lvl 70 to our doorstep... have fun guys...
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Keeping in mind that Lockbox ships were paid for too - and in many cases paid far more for then a C-Store ship.

    durr, that's why I said anyone who has paid...

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    valoreah wrote: »
    When you spent that money previously, you got what you paid for. There was no guarantee or promise that it would never change. You wanted the T5 ship, you got the T5 ship. You'll still have it after X2 goes live too. You got what you paid for and nothing was changed with it.

    im sure you would be happy if you were asked to pay $90 to upgrade $100 worth of ships.
    especially when a free ship gets a free upgrade.
    as far as I am concerned that was a total waste of 10000zen as I shall never play them again, I might as well stick with my upgraded free ones.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • hpgibbshpgibbs Member Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    This just goes to show that you can never make everyone happy. They release the t6 announcement, everyone screams doom. The announce the bug ship is a free upgrade, everyone is mad. The release a massive list of free upgrades and minor paid upgrades, still everyone screams doom. It's a business, they have to make decisions that won't totally kill them yet also make money to continue developing the game. They're offering exactly what everyone wanted, upgradable system to tier 6.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    bobbydazlers wrote: »
    durr, that's why I said anyone who has paid...
    You were complaining about some ships getting a free upgrade, but those ships were paid for as well. Even if you bought a Lockbox ship on the Exchange - where I bought all of mine - someone used Zen in the process.

    The only free ships in this game are the ones Cryptic has given you. Every other ship has been paid for by someone.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • ussinterceptussintercept Member Posts: 627 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    wildweasal wrote: »
    Being all 3 I approve this message MOAR SHIPS!!!! Oh and did anybody notice how they made sure to say twice future t6 ships may NOT HAVE the extra bells and whistles ? I fail to see what all the tears are for good lord it's not that bad to be in a t5u ship most good pvpers will face roll you in in a t 4 ship

    Is it really? Do we have evidence yet that at T5U will be able to truely be competitive with T6? Or is this just you trying to convince yourself that you didnt waste your money on ships that are no longer relevant at Endgame?
  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    You were complaining about some ships getting a free upgrade, but those ships were paid for as well. Even if you bought a Lockbox ship on the Exchange - where I bought all of mine - someone used Zen in the process.

    The only free ships in this game are the ones Cryptic has given you. Every other ship has been paid for by someone.

    I never said your lockbox ships were free.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

  • kavasekavase Member Posts: 771 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    What's the point of T6 exactly? It's designed to specifically benefit Cryptic and to increase potential profits(in the short run). It won't really offer anything to the players in reality. Content normally goes with what the player is doing in terms of strength so if the player gets stronger, so too *SHOULD* the content or Elements.

    Sorry to say but I've been here one too many times with MMOs 'increasing' whatever it is, if it be terms of your equipment or you level, it's the same result. It provides a quick fix for income to the game but causes major problems in the long run as there is further disconnect with game balance and already, this game has major issue in that department.

    There is just no way STO should have increase player levels or provide T6 ships in its current form, it's just not going to bold well after a couple months after release.
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  • captainransomcaptainransom Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    hpgibbs wrote: »
    This just goes to show that you can never make everyone happy. They release the t6 announcement, everyone screams doom. The announce the bug ship is a free upgrade, everyone is mad. The release a massive list of free upgrades and minor paid upgrades, still everyone screams doom. It's a business, they have to make decisions that won't totally kill them yet also make money to continue developing the game. They're offering exactly what everyone wanted, upgradable system to tier 6.

    You summed it up perfectly. :D
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    bobbydazlers wrote: »
    I never said your lockbox ships were free.
    Do you read your own posts?

    You were complaining about how some ships get a free upgrade and others do not. Lockbox ships get the free upgrade because they are generally far more expensive then C-Store ships. There are people who have paid hundreds of dollars to get a Lockbox ship. There is a defined difference in the cost between a C-Store ship and a Lockbox ship. Because of that defined difference Lockbox ships get a free upgrade.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • therealhippotherealhippo Member Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    valoreah wrote: »
    When you spent that money previously, you got what you paid for. There was no guarantee or promise that it would never change. You wanted the T5 ship, you got the T5 ship. You'll still have it after X2 goes live too. You got what you paid for and nothing was changed with it.


    ^This. A thousand times this. I haven't read the ins and outs of this game particular EULA, but it is standard practice for games that have digital unlocks are precisely that, an unlock. Everything is still the property of PW/Cryptic. You just paid to unlock it for play.

    You own nothing and you are owed nothing in return. Now cough up for your latest 'shiny' and say thank you like a good boy/girl/alien/android.
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    hpgibbs wrote: »
    This just goes to show that you can never make everyone happy. They release the t6 announcement, everyone screams doom. The announce the bug ship is a free upgrade, everyone is mad. The release a massive list of free upgrades and minor paid upgrades, still everyone screams doom. It's a business, they have to make decisions that won't totally kill them yet also make money to continue developing the game. They're offering exactly what everyone wanted, upgradable system to tier 6.

    I don't consider $90 minor

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

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