Flagships To Full T6?

reginamala78

We know they've said that with the release of the T6 ships, T5s will be upgradable to 'be competitive.' But I haven't heard anyone yet who thinks that means T5 ships will become full T6, more like T5.9. Its frustrating but in some ways it does make sense when you consider how many T5 and T5.5 ships are refits of refits of refits, based on spaceframes decades old. Even top-enders like the Vesta or the Scimitar are decades-old designs, and it could be easily argued that stuff like the Kumari or the Mogh or the Ar'kif or the Dyson Destroyers are experimental technologies designed to 'get the bugs out' and focus on specific features, rather than Utopia Planetia / Ty'Gokor's absolute top of the line.

What about the flagships though, the Odyssey and the Bortasqu?

Both of these ships are described as being the absolute best, the pride of their respective fleets and the results of their creators going all-out. And in game time they both only left drydock just a few months ago. In current performance however they already lag behind in a lot of ways, and with 'T5.9' that'll only become more pronounced.

So partly asking Cryptic, and partly seeing if there's support, why not cheat a little on the upgrade front, and creating the option to upgrade the Odyssey and the Bortasqu all the way to T6 with all the bells and whistles that come with. I wouldn't suggest free of course, but like a Fleet version (with associated costs) that is fully T6 instead of just the 5-enhanced we know is coming for other ships?

They're the flagships after all, bearer of the name Enterprise!

(One can hope, anyways)

yreodred

Sounds reasonable IMO
But we don't know what these T6 special abilities are, maybe it's some tholian thing?
Who knows.

At least the flagships should be T5.9999.

talonxv

yreodred wrote: »

Sounds reasonable IMO
But we don't know what these T6 special abilities are, maybe it's some tholian thing?
Who knows.

At least the flagships should be T5.9999.

No flagships should go to tier 6 straight up.

xiaoping88

The Scimitar is a flagship, too. :rolleyes:

reginamala78

xiaoping88 wrote: »

The Scimitar is a flagship, too. :rolleyes:

Heh, yeah but its 30 years old and only made the flagship cause it was the most powerful thing the Republic had access to, not a state-of-the-art design. Besides, its not like the Scimitar is in any danger of falling behind (unless the game suddenly switches from a combat focus to centering on moral and ethical dilemmas.)

grayfoxjames

I sign this petition for the flagships. Odyssey class has been officially sanctioned by CBS, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have a problem with this.

In fact if I have to pay Zen to make it a Tier 6.0 ship I would gladly. The Odyssey class can not be left behind.

starkaos

If the only difference between Tier 5.9 ships and Tier 6 ships is the special Tier 6 abilities, then the Flagships already have their own unique special abilities that no other ship will get.

meimeitoo

From one of Geko's recently published podcasts, it looks, to me, like none of our existing a T5 ships will get an upgrade.

Lockbox ships, at the very least, should get an upgrade-path, though.

rinkster

Narratively speaking, it makes less than no sense for these recent flagships not to have the ability to upgrade to T6.

Sadly, financially speaking, it makes no sense to give those ships an upgrade path that players will probably tolerate.

lianthelia

I personally expect that will only be upgraded to T5.75...

grayfoxjames

Financially speaking there are enough people that want their Tier V ships upgrades to VI...I see no reason why they can't make the Tier V C-Store ships fully upgradable for Zen purchase. There problem solved. Those who want the fancy new ships...Zen; those who want their C-Store Tier V ships to VI...Zen.

I'm happy with that.

azurianstar

Be nice if we knew more about what Tier 6 ships are supposed to be. Like if they are meant to be pure Batttleships, while the Tier 5 ships are more of the modern-day heavy cruisers / warships.

But if they aren't, then I see why not ships made in 2409/10 be automatically graduated to Tier 6. After all these ships still have that new starship smell, and to have them all of a sudden be obsolescent? Mind boggling. I'm not there is even an example of such a thing ever happening in military history.

orangeitis

I think that it's unreasonable to speculate on an assumption like this "tier 5.9" nonsense. Nothing Cryptic has said hints at this. In fact, there have been hints at the contrary, such as ship rebalance and the end to imbalance caused by power creep.

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macronius

No upgrade equals no new purchases for many people. I don't understand why they wouldn't have a monetary option to bring T5+ ships to T6. There aren't going to be nearly enough ships available on launch anyways. Also the Fed cruiser is hideous to many (Tron?).

If they do this they are shooting themselves in the foot and I look forward to having it blow up in their face in a spectacular fashion. Endless greed getting its comeuppance!

marcel314

About the scimitar "problem":
It's true that the scimitar is already an older design but the falchion
is supposed to be the republic equivalent of a flagship. The scimitar is more or less a prototype.

pulserazor

if you have been paying attention to the design trends, it would be clear to you that these new ships are going to have the promised 'unique powers' just like our current t5 ships do, like the Dyson Destroyers and all the romulan warbirds. So Todays t5 is going to compare to the t6's just like the t5's today compare to the Dyson Sci Destroyer.

Stop Panicing.

they told you the t5 ships would be competitive and they will. Use your head, they arent just going to relegate all the iconic ships to 'leveling' ships, its still gonna be Star Trek Online, not T6 Spaceships Online.

mhirtesc

I just wish I knew what sort of currency or materials would be required for any ship/weapon/item upgrade so I can start grinding for them now in the meantime.

erei1

mhirtesc wrote: »

I just wish I knew what sort of currency or materials would be required for any ship/weapon/item upgrade so I can start grinding for them now in the meantime.

Well, I won't talk about any leaks, since it's forbidden, but I'd say I'm pretty sure it will involve dilithium and maybe 1 or 2 resources that is currently not ingame and will likely be added with the expansion (hard to tell). No idea for the amount though, I suppose it will depend on many things.

OFC this is pure speculation, and absolutely not related to a leaked screenshot of an alpha version of the upgrade menu I may have seen.

And this is only about gear, not ships.

Also, please, don't spam my mailbox like last time

ghyudt

What's the point of making t6 ships if they're just going to upgrade the t5s to t6? It doesn't make any sense. I can see something like the Odyssey getting a refit and maybe retrofit version, but that's about it. And that shouldn't apply to the bundle, but to the fleet ship only. Upgradijg everything else to 5.5 sounds reasonable. It keeps older ships that players have gotten used to using in the game, while at the same time introduces something that's better, and that can be used if a player chooses too, its not necessarily a must. I pick my ships based on their looks or, like most of you, I grew up watching them in action on TV. I don't really care if the new ships are uber powerful or if they're so/so. If they look cool, I'll probably get one.

ddemlong

Simply because Cyrtic is a bunch of money grabbers and with constant power creep making many ships obsolete, I think everything will get screwed.

U want a T6, going to have to buy it.

havokreign

Flagships to Full T6?

orangeitis

ddemlong wrote: »

Simply because Cyrtic is a bunch of money grabbers and with constant power creep making many ships obsolete, I think everything will get screwed.

U want a T6, going to have to buy it.

They're NOT "money grabbers", and they're trying to SOLVE power creep.

ddemlong

orangeitis wrote: »

They're NOT "money grabbers", and they're trying to SOLVE power creep.

That truly is a funny statement.

mirrorchaos

reginamala78 wrote: »

We know they've said that with the release of the T6 ships, T5s will be upgradable to 'be competitive.' But I haven't heard anyone yet who thinks that means T5 ships will become full T6, more like T5.9. Its frustrating but in some ways it does make sense when you consider how many T5 and T5.5 ships are refits of refits of refits, based on spaceframes decades old. Even top-enders like the Vesta or the Scimitar are decades-old designs, and it could be easily argued that stuff like the Kumari or the Mogh or the Ar'kif or the Dyson Destroyers are experimental technologies designed to 'get the bugs out' and focus on specific features, rather than Utopia Planetia / Ty'Gokor's absolute top of the line.

What about the flagships though, the Odyssey and the Bortasqu?

Both of these ships are described as being the absolute best, the pride of their respective fleets and the results of their creators going all-out. And in game time they both only left drydock just a few months ago. In current performance however they already lag behind in a lot of ways, and with 'T5.9' that'll only become more pronounced.

So partly asking Cryptic, and partly seeing if there's support, why not cheat a little on the upgrade front, and creating the option to upgrade the Odyssey and the Bortasqu all the way to T6 with all the bells and whistles that come with. I wouldn't suggest free of course, but like a Fleet version (with associated costs) that is fully T6 instead of just the 5-enhanced we know is coming for other ships?

They're the flagships after all, bearer of the name Enterprise!

(One can hope, anyways)

maybe the "smaller" version of a command/flag ship. i remember geko writing something down on one of the official threads about the possibility of going beyond level 60, i mean he wasnt mincing words when he wrote that down, but its likely to be long distance towards the next level cap rise. for now we get a sort of 1st generation command ship maybe?

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18706971&postcount=86

orangeitis

skollulfr wrote: »

if they still have baseless space whales it will fail though.

a big factor in what causes imbalance in this game is the simple fact that agility is a multiplier for both offence and defence.
that being why slow ships fundamentally require more heals to stay alive than those that can get out of the way.

so if the trinity class based agility stats arent eliminated, all they are doing is rehashing the last 2 years.

You're invoking a false dichotomy. There are other alternatives, such as boosting hull/shield resistance/HP for the ships with less agility.

ddemlong wrote: »

That truly is a funny statement.

Yes, for those whom share your opinion, but can't back the claims up with evidence. Everything they've said so far is pointing to them trying to balance and eliminate power creep, and there's nothing to imply the level of greediness you're asserting them to have.

havokreign

One would think slower ships already sport increased stats and resists to compensate, just like how the majority of them (all cruisers and carriers im sure) have predominantly engineering stations to boot.

And whats with this upgrade to T5.5 stuff anyway? I must be misunderstanding something, because I thought the top tier was T5 and all those fleet ships were T5.5 refits?

That's not an upgrade, that's the status quo.

stomperx99

Why do peeps scream DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM before they even know anything???

orangeitis

stomperx99 wrote: »

Why does peeps scream DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM before they even know anything???

Because of unrealistic expectations, entitlement and paranoia.

havokreign wrote: »

One would think slower ships already sport increased stats and resists to compensate, just like how the majority of them (all cruisers and carriers im sure) have predominantly engineering stations to boot.

And whats with this upgrade to T5.5 stuff anyway? I must be misunderstanding something, because I thought the top tier was T5 and all those fleet ships were T5.5 refits?

That's not an upgrade, that's the status quo.

People that have said unrealistic expectations, entitlement and paranoia ignore the positive things the Cryptic representatives say and cherry-pick the neutral or negative things, sometimes even twisting them into things that weren't said at all.

jexsamx

The premise of this thread is flawed in that we don't actually know if there will be an effective difference between upgraded T5 and true T6.

Look, we know next to nothing about T6. There's no basis for assumption that upgraded T5 flagship classes won't perform on par with T6 ships. Other than some new powers that may or may not be worthwhile and a new class of BOff that will almost certainly be slottable in universal BOff seats, there's no reason to think your upgraded T5's will not perform on par with T6. Anything less would be stupid, and you all know that.

virusdancer

stomperx99 wrote: »

Why do peeps scream DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM before they even know anything???

From experience with Cryptic in the past...