Google dictionary. eth·nic cleans·ing. noun. the mass expulsion or killing of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group in a society.
Now, go reread the path to 2409, volumes 25-26, and take a close look at what they tried to pull in the Hromi Cluster. I used "ethnic cleansing" to describe it because it's the closest term available.
And that TRIBBLE J'mpok was proud of it. Let me tell you, I will be cheering when Worf finally gets the stones to chop J'mpok's damn head off.
Feds should have fought on the KDF side then. Might have had more of a chance to avoid all that stuff.
FYI: the Undine wanted everyone dead from the start, but the Federation chose to displace on the Klingon Empire AFTER the Klingons took the necessary steps to protect the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. KDF are the heroes on STO. Feds are the Nevil Chamberlains.
you feddies obviously wont be happy until youre given qonos itself.
i would be fine if cryptic gave you the ability to enter qonos and beam down provided you and your ship are targetable.
Yes ... this please!
""I would rather suffer the end of Qonos a thousand times than let a single Fed step foot on it!"
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Already happened. They were inside the great hall as part of the celebration of the saving of qo'nos.
Please. Cryptic episodes aren't canon. In my little corner of Qonos the Feds are still to be shot on sight! Don't mess with this Cryptic ... don't you dare ... ever!
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
you feddies obviously wont be happy until youre given qonos itself.
i would be fine if cryptic gave you the ability to enter qonos and beam down provided you and your ship are targetable.
according to canon thats gonna happen anyway. and a previous post above that about an armistice that i doubt considering there has to be teamwork between the groups in an alliance vs the iconians. they have been meddling in everything since the 2360's, and they are the cause for the second alliance to fail between the empire and the federation, why should the alliance not resume where it left off as if the iconian plan didnt work the way they wanted.
its time to allow feds on qo'nos and klinks on esd assuming high enough diplomatic rank first.
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Please. Cryptic episodes aren't canon. In my little corner of Qonos the Feds are still to be shot on sight! Don't mess with this Cryptic ... don't you dare ... ever!
If Cryptic episodes aren't canon, then neither is this Klingon/Federation War. So the two are still best buddies and the Klingons are due to join the Federation in 90-190 years. That's canon.
This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
The war hasn't ended for players that haven't yet reached end game or for anyone doing repeat missions, so I'm thinking it wouldn't be realistic. If the game had been written with everyone as allies from the start, no problem, but with the game as it is, it just doesn't work.
Agreed. If I were a new player just arriving at ESD for example I would be a little confused if I saw KDF characters running around the place. I suppose with high diplomacy you could swing it, if you didn't mind loads of newbies asking why you are at ESD with a war going on.
There is always DS9 and Dyson Joint Command. I'd include New Romulus but it lacks ship facilities, which is annoying. I'd likely spend a bit more time there if it didn't.
Nah, I would prefer to be able to visit the Romulan command center with my fed/kdf characters first since Romulan can visit all of their allies locations.
Maybe another fleet project? Another embassy on each world but you can't leave it? Kdf would get a fed styled building and the Feds get a Kdf styled building.... They don't even have to be buildings, they could be space stations located within each others space.
Fought against who? the Gorn? the Gorn that were as much as a victim of the Undine?
Victims until they became part of the Klingon Empire. No victor. No vanquished <--- it's a stupid way to wage war, unless your overall goal is to keep hostilities going. The ruling Gorn political parties were changed and the overall strength of the Klingons AND the Gorn increased following the victory of the Klingons against them. Both benefited. Both united against a common foe. That's a good thing.
Fought on the same side that very "honorable" used bombing on peace conferences hosted by the Federation? Fight along side the KDF against Federation citizens on the Hromi Cluster?
Feds seem to have multiple Undine-based security breaches and bungles. In contrast, the Klingons don't.
...the whole "Undine" was a excuse ... a really pathetic excuse for expansionism, after all do explain how does Hromi Cluster becoming Klingon territory have any relevance to the Undine.
Because this is all the Klingon-Federation War was all about ... the Hromi Cluster, not the Undine.
And if Feds had been pro-active and fought as tenaciously as the Klingons, they might have saved themselves from a ton of trouble from Undine infiltrators, as well as the Klingon Empire which was willing to fight and kill their enemies. Klingons are committed to victory. Most Feds are not. Coincidentally enough, this way of thinking has been demonstrated time and again in both PvP AND PvE within the past 4yrs. It's exactly why I went KDF.
You know what?
Next time try to actually make a point.
Uh...take your own advice, kid. I didn't even break an internet-sweat.
Oh hey, you want to beam into the Qo'noS system, explore the planet and wonder around? There's an easy-peasy and really fast solution for that - make a friggin' KDF char! That wasn't so hard, eh?
Otherwise please keep your troll-fiesta contained to ESD. This game doesn't need to get any more idiotic than it already is.
The war is over. We're war-time allies against the people who split us. It's time to improve relations to the point where we can visit each other. Of course there's a way to fix instances. If you haven't completed the story arc on at least one of your toons, then you won't beam into a zone where people have completed it.
Also, to visit the other's homeworld, you must be level 4 diplomacy.
the war is over. beam on over to baghdad and tell em all about your lvl4 diplomacy lol
if they ever do allow feddies on qonos they really need to make you lot targetable so i (and every npc in sight) can extend the proper kdf hospitality
the war is over. beam on over to baghdad and tell em all about your lvl4 diplomacy lol
if they ever do allow feddies on qonos they really need to make you lot targetable so i (and every npc in sight) can extend the proper kdf hospitality
wow, you really would make for a bad relations officer
Hang on, Wouldn't this be a little confusing to new players who are still at war with them in their own timeline.
Having random enemy troops wander round your capital is a bit odd no?
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The war is over. We're war-time allies against the people who split us. It's time to improve relations to the point where we can visit each other. Of course there's a way to fix instances. If you haven't completed the story arc on at least one of your toons, then you won't beam into a zone where people have completed it.
Also, to visit the other's homeworld, you must be level 4 diplomacy.
No, I think you're missing the point. This is Star Trek. In Star Trek you don't have a crapload of Starfleet Officers parading around Qo'noS. In Star Trek you don't have entire Klingon brigades marching in Starfleet Academy. It's bad enough with Romulans everywhere.
Your suggestion breaks the lore and immersive elements of the Star Trek universe, and for what? Because you're too lazy to make a KDF char. to look around with?
I could accept there being story line missions that take you through the places you want to see now that there is an alliance again, but open access to the other factions main hubs? Nope.
How many are there, like 2 or 3 places that are not shared and you can't visit in the game? What do you think happens there that is so different and interesting to warrant this?
And by now, the vast majority of players have T4 diplomacy or marauding anyway.
OP, sounds fun but I honestly don't want the idiotic political debates of ESD zone chat to come anywhere near our capital city. Keep the trolls contained on ESD please.
No i suggest you read what I said again, If as a new player you are wandering around your hub, and another player wanders past who has level 4 diplomacy, its going to be a bit odd
Unless theres some segregation of players who have and have not progressed through the Story line theres still going to be a potential cross over of players who have not played the FE that unites the factions and those who have level 4 diplomacy, which by now is a lot of people.
It simply makes no sense for Starfleet officers to wander round The Klingon homeworld without express invitation and a security Escort
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No i suggest you read what I said again, If as a new player you are wandering around your hub, and another player wanders past who has level 4 diplomacy, its going to be a bit odd
Unless theres some segregation of players who have and have not progressed through the Story line theres still going to be a potential cross over of players who have not played the FE that unites the factions and those who have level 4 diplomacy, which by now is a lot of people.
It simply makes no sense for Starfleet officers to wander round The Klingon homeworld without express invitation and a security Escort
If only Cryptic would bring back the bug which let KDF raid ESD! That would be progress.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Fair enough I missed that post, All the same its unlikely they are going to put in the work to segragate the hubs between your episode progress, which is likely to be buggy and difficult
And In my opinion you'd still need express permission to visit, an end to hostility doesn't equate to drop by any time you feel like it, Its a Military Intilation and the seat of the High Council/ Starfleet command liaison ( Admiral quinn as described by the transporter officer)
as shpoks said, its fair enough to have missions set there for specific purposes, but an any time drop into the zone doesn't feel right in terms of immersion
And robs factions of the unique hubs they posses
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Fair enough I missed that post, All the same its unlikely they are going to put in the work to segragate the hubs between your episode progress, which is likely to be buggy and difficult
And In my opinion you'd still need express permission to visit, an end to hostility doesn't equate to drop by any time you feel like it, Its a Military Intilation and the seat of the High Council/ Starfleet command liaison ( Admiral quinn as described by the transporter officer)
as shpoks said, its fair enough to have missions set there for specific purposes, but an any time drop into the zone doesn't feel right in terms of immersion
And robs factions of the unique hubs they posses
that's why it should be limited to the Klingon Homeworld rather than their space station. It could be unlocked by a mission to see the High Chancellor. The Klingons would have their version to speak with Admiral Quinn.
The mission would be granted once meeting two criteria.
No, I think you're missing the point. This is Star Trek. In Star Trek you don't have a crapload of Starfleet Officers parading around Qo'noS. In Star Trek you don't have entire Klingon brigades marching in Starfleet Academy. It's bad enough with Romulans everywhere.
Your suggestion breaks the lore and immersive elements of the Star Trek universe, and for what? Because you're too lazy to make a KDF char. to look around with?
I could accept there being story line missions that take you through the places you want to see now that there is an alliance again, but open access to the other factions main hubs? Nope.
How many are there, like 2 or 3 places that are not shared and you can't visit in the game? What do you think happens there that is so different and interesting to warrant this?
And by now, the vast majority of players have T4 diplomacy or marauding anyway.
I have to disagree.
If we are talking the Original Series era, I'd be inclined to agree.
But during the days of the Khitomer Accords? I suspect Imperial citizens were more than welcome in Federation territory. And vice versa. Minus any high security areas, of course.
For me, it's a matter of convenience for my KDF character. She doesn't have the luxury of a social hub in damned near every sector, like my RRF and Starfleet characters. And I reserve the freighter call for "absolutely need-only" due to the long cool down.
And truth be told, allowing her to use the bank at Starbase 39 is no more immersion breaking (what little there is) than continued unrestricted access to Deep Space Nine (a Federation starbase) long after the 2800 storyline is over and done with.
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FYI: the Undine wanted everyone dead from the start, but the Federation chose to displace on the Klingon Empire AFTER the Klingons took the necessary steps to protect the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. KDF are the heroes on STO. Feds are the Nevil Chamberlains.
Yes ... this please!
""I would rather suffer the end of Qonos a thousand times than let a single Fed step foot on it!"
- Judge Aaron Satie
Already happened. They were inside the great hall as part of the celebration of the saving of qo'nos.
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Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Please. Cryptic episodes aren't canon. In my little corner of Qonos the Feds are still to be shot on sight! Don't mess with this Cryptic ... don't you dare ... ever!
- Judge Aaron Satie
according to canon thats gonna happen anyway. and a previous post above that about an armistice that i doubt considering there has to be teamwork between the groups in an alliance vs the iconians. they have been meddling in everything since the 2360's, and they are the cause for the second alliance to fail between the empire and the federation, why should the alliance not resume where it left off as if the iconian plan didnt work the way they wanted.
its time to allow feds on qo'nos and klinks on esd assuming high enough diplomatic rank first.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
If Cryptic episodes aren't canon, then neither is this Klingon/Federation War. So the two are still best buddies and the Klingons are due to join the Federation in 90-190 years. That's canon.
Agreed. If I were a new player just arriving at ESD for example I would be a little confused if I saw KDF characters running around the place. I suppose with high diplomacy you could swing it, if you didn't mind loads of newbies asking why you are at ESD with a war going on.
There is always DS9 and Dyson Joint Command. I'd include New Romulus but it lacks ship facilities, which is annoying. I'd likely spend a bit more time there if it didn't.
Maybe another fleet project? Another embassy on each world but you can't leave it? Kdf would get a fed styled building and the Feds get a Kdf styled building.... They don't even have to be buildings, they could be space stations located within each others space.
Victims until they became part of the Klingon Empire. No victor. No vanquished <--- it's a stupid way to wage war, unless your overall goal is to keep hostilities going. The ruling Gorn political parties were changed and the overall strength of the Klingons AND the Gorn increased following the victory of the Klingons against them. Both benefited. Both united against a common foe. That's a good thing.
Feds seem to have multiple Undine-based security breaches and bungles. In contrast, the Klingons don't.
And if Feds had been pro-active and fought as tenaciously as the Klingons, they might have saved themselves from a ton of trouble from Undine infiltrators, as well as the Klingon Empire which was willing to fight and kill their enemies. Klingons are committed to victory. Most Feds are not. Coincidentally enough, this way of thinking has been demonstrated time and again in both PvP AND PvE within the past 4yrs. It's exactly why I went KDF.
Uh...take your own advice, kid. I didn't even break an internet-sweat.
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Otherwise please keep your troll-fiesta contained to ESD. This game doesn't need to get any more idiotic than it already is.
The war is over. We're war-time allies against the people who split us. It's time to improve relations to the point where we can visit each other. Of course there's a way to fix instances. If you haven't completed the story arc on at least one of your toons, then you won't beam into a zone where people have completed it.
Also, to visit the other's homeworld, you must be level 4 diplomacy.
if they ever do allow feddies on qonos they really need to make you lot targetable so i (and every npc in sight) can extend the proper kdf hospitality
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wow, you really would make for a bad relations officer
Having random enemy troops wander round your capital is a bit odd no?
No, I think you're missing the point. This is Star Trek. In Star Trek you don't have a crapload of Starfleet Officers parading around Qo'noS. In Star Trek you don't have entire Klingon brigades marching in Starfleet Academy. It's bad enough with Romulans everywhere.
Your suggestion breaks the lore and immersive elements of the Star Trek universe, and for what? Because you're too lazy to make a KDF char. to look around with?
I could accept there being story line missions that take you through the places you want to see now that there is an alliance again, but open access to the other factions main hubs? Nope.
How many are there, like 2 or 3 places that are not shared and you can't visit in the game? What do you think happens there that is so different and interesting to warrant this?
And by now, the vast majority of players have T4 diplomacy or marauding anyway.
read what I said again, then get back to me
No i suggest you read what I said again, If as a new player you are wandering around your hub, and another player wanders past who has level 4 diplomacy, its going to be a bit odd
Unless theres some segregation of players who have and have not progressed through the Story line theres still going to be a potential cross over of players who have not played the FE that unites the factions and those who have level 4 diplomacy, which by now is a lot of people.
It simply makes no sense for Starfleet officers to wander round The Klingon homeworld without express invitation and a security Escort
I've already said that... like i said, read again
- Judge Aaron Satie
I would love that!
I went to high school, can't smell worse than a bunch of grade nines at week's end all using axe (14-15 year old kids)
Fair enough I missed that post, All the same its unlikely they are going to put in the work to segragate the hubs between your episode progress, which is likely to be buggy and difficult
And In my opinion you'd still need express permission to visit, an end to hostility doesn't equate to drop by any time you feel like it, Its a Military Intilation and the seat of the High Council/ Starfleet command liaison ( Admiral quinn as described by the transporter officer)
as shpoks said, its fair enough to have missions set there for specific purposes, but an any time drop into the zone doesn't feel right in terms of immersion
And robs factions of the unique hubs they posses
that's why it should be limited to the Klingon Homeworld rather than their space station. It could be unlocked by a mission to see the High Chancellor. The Klingons would have their version to speak with Admiral Quinn.
The mission would be granted once meeting two criteria.
Level 4 diplomacy
completing the story arc
I have to disagree.
If we are talking the Original Series era, I'd be inclined to agree.
But during the days of the Khitomer Accords? I suspect Imperial citizens were more than welcome in Federation territory. And vice versa. Minus any high security areas, of course.
For me, it's a matter of convenience for my KDF character. She doesn't have the luxury of a social hub in damned near every sector, like my RRF and Starfleet characters. And I reserve the freighter call for "absolutely need-only" due to the long cool down.
And truth be told, allowing her to use the bank at Starbase 39 is no more immersion breaking (what little there is) than continued unrestricted access to Deep Space Nine (a Federation starbase) long after the 2800 storyline is over and done with.
That's my opinion. Others will differ.