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So, it's the "southern region" of the Delta Quadrant...

mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
edited August 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
First of all, this will be an important fact to remember (yes, it's fact, because they said it in the STLV presentation). Temper your expectations... we were never going to get 50,000-60,000 light years to explore.

Secondly... and my real point... why are we meeting the races from Voyager's first season, when we'll be in the territory of seasons six and seven (maybe five, too)? Yes, there's the astroid with Neelix (I hope it blew up :P)... but, Kazon and Ocampa? Really?
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  • strorusstrorus Member Posts: 328 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    We have Transwarp ability now :P
  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited August 2014
    strorus wrote: »
    We have Transwarp ability now :P

    And we don't turn into lizards or whatever, too! :P
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Humans are all over the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. What makes you think a Kazon or Talaxian cannot be all over the Delta Quadrant?
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited August 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Humans are all over the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. What makes you think a Kazon or Talaxian cannot be all over the Delta Quadrant?

    Because the Kazon were morons that stole their tech from the Trabe, and IIRC, the Talaxians were conquered and scattered. In both cases, it would seem like resources for these races would be rare.
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  • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    There's also the possibility that more Iconian space gateways are active in the Delta Quadrant, linking more distant sectors to one another, or that more species have accessed the subspace corridors belonging to the Vaadwaur.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I was thinking of this as well. Since those groups didn't have good ships then. However a lot can change in 30 years and Voyager did make a huge impact on the area. So that could spark a interest into building better tech.

    I'm sure they will explain a good bit in the story. As they will come up with something to tell what happened in the past 30 years.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Because the Kazon were morons that stole their tech from the Trabe, and IIRC, the Talaxians were conquered and scattered. In both cases, it would seem like resources for these races would be rare.
    The Kazon were the species that won the poll as to what Voyager species we wanted in the game, so they must not be disliked by everyone. :)

    As far as the Talaxians being scattered, what does scattered means? It means that it would make sense encountering them throughout the Quadrant, as they are now in many different places rather then one.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Because the Kazon were morons that stole their tech from the Trabe, and IIRC, the Talaxians were conquered and scattered. In both cases, it would seem like resources for these races would be rare.

    Kazon was the first group encountered by Voyager. I thought they was different and unique group to deal with. Even though they lacked knowledge and tech compared to Voyager. They still was a nasty threat to deal with.

    Granted they was unfit to be assimilated by the Borg. Thirty years could have change that. With them having like 15 sects, they could found peace. And really became something far better than they could been.

    We just have to see how the story is told once it goes live.
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  • xiaoping88xiaoping88 Member Posts: 1,493 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Humans are all over the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.

    No, they aren't. Only small parts of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants are even explored by the Federation.

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  • ussinterceptussintercept Member Posts: 627 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Humans are all over the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. What makes you think a Kazon or Talaxian cannot be all over the Delta Quadrant?

    Because Voyager ran into numerous technologiclly advanced races with powerful military presence after leaving the Kazons region of space? Because the Kazon was never seen by Voyager again?

    We can assume they can roll around space as they please. But we never saw it. And its not like Cryptic will do a good job of explaining it.

    The only thing Cryptic can go on is a Season 3 episode where Voyager runs into a lone colony of Ocampans on a space station. And a lone colony of Talaxians a LONG way from their territory. By the time the Voyager crew encountered them. They had been shot more then half way across Delta Quardrant space. Shaved 30 some odd years off their voyage by different things like Quantum Slip Stream and such...Technology none of which the Talaxians, Ocampans or Kazon had been shown to have.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mhall85 wrote: »
    First of all, this will be an important fact to remember (yes, it's fact, because they said it in the STLV presentation). Temper your expectations... we were never going to get 50,000-60,000 light years to explore.

    Secondly... and my real point... why are we meeting the races from Voyager's first season, when we'll be in the territory of seasons six and seven (maybe five, too)? Yes, there's the astroid with Neelix (I hope it blew up :P)... but, Kazon and Ocampa? Really?

    there needs to be official confirmation before you plant your flag in the wrong place.

    i tend to think its in the north of the quadrant but not far from the central area, all star trek maps show talax and ocampa near the edge of the other side of the quadrant, since the kazon, talaxians and ocampa are going to be involved it stands to reason that its going to be put between central and north of the map.

    with the federation building transwarp gates of their own, there could be several of these scattered about in different areas of different sectors to jump into other sectors around the sphere all connected is what im thinking.
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  • rekurzionrekurzion Member Posts: 697 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    farmallm wrote: »
    Kazon was the first group encountered by Voyager. I thought they was different and unique group to deal with. Even though they lacked knowledge and tech compared to Voyager. They still was a nasty threat to deal with.

    Granted they was unfit to be assimilated by the Borg. Thirty years could have change that. With them having like 15 sects, they could found peace. And really became something far better than they could been.

    We just have to see how the story is told once it goes live.

    Right, so we are to accept that they will be more formidable than Voth/Tholian/Undine? I doubt they will be push overs and with the level increase it would makes sense to give them new tech that is more powerful. But according to what we know of the Kazan that wouldn't make sense.

    And while new tech can be made in 30 years that's hardly enough time to replenish a population. I'm interested in X2 just to see how they pull this off.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,560 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Of course the Kazon are in the "southern section" of the quadrant. They're space hillbillies, aren't they? :D
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  • oldravenman3025oldravenman3025 Member Posts: 1,892 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    jonsills wrote: »
    Of course the Kazon are in the "southern section" of the quadrant. They're space hillbillies, aren't they? :D



    Ha. Ha. Ha. :rolleyes:
  • mattmiraclemattmiracle Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the Solanae Dyson was in the southern Delta quadrant and the Jenolen one was never specifically mentioned "where" in the Delta quadrant it was.

    If I am right, the Jenolen sphere could be closer to where the Caretakr took Voyager.

    Edit - Little more backup data.

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    So it is entirely possible that ...

    1. You enter the Solanae Dyson from Tau Dewa and get in the Southern Delta Quadrant.
    2. You take the Solanae Gateway from that Dyson to the Jenolan Dyson to get to the Central/northern edge of the Delta quadrant.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mattmiracle wrote: »
    Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the Solanae Dyson was in the southern Delta quadrant and the Jenolen one was never specifically mentioned "where" in the Delta quadrant it was.

    If I am right, the Jenolen sphere could be closer to where the Caretakr took Voyager.

    Edit - Little more backup data.

    From Memory Beta - http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Dyson_Sphere

    The Sphere was located in the Beta Quadrant. (DS9 reference: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Technical Manual)

    From STO Wiki - http://sto.gamepedia.com/Jenolan_Dyson_Sphere

    “A Step Between Stars”: Players arrive inside the Jenolan Dyson Sphere via an Iconian Gateway from the Solanae Dyson Sphere, and discover that the Jenolan sphere has traveled 50,000 light years into the Delta Quadrant. The player must then defend the sphere from an Undine invasion force.


    So it is entirely possible that ...

    1. You enter the Solanae Dyson from Tau Dewa and get in the Southern Delta Quadrant.
    2. You take the Solanae Gateway from that Dyson to the Jenolan Dyson to get to the Central/northern edge of the Delta quadrant.

    you can reference from beta all you like that isnt a source.

    yeah its taken 50,000 from its former position... where that was to somewhere around the central delta quadrant, again no idea where exactly, only to state its moved.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited August 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The Kazon were the species that won the poll as to what Voyager species we wanted in the game, so they must not be disliked by everyone. :)

    Oh, I never said they were *unliked*. :) I just said they were morons... a tongue-in-cheek comment on my part, just to point out they squandered many opportunities to become a real threat.

    If Kullah and Seska wanted to be taken seriously, then they would have landed on that planet with Voyager, taken the crew to the planet... and executed them. Terrible end to a series, of course, LOL... but I'm just analyzing them as a villain in the franchise. ;)
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Oh, I never said they were *unliked*. :) I just said they were morons... a tongue-in-cheek comment on my part, just to point out they squandered many opportunities to become a real threat.

    If Kullah and Seska wanted to be taken seriously, then they would have landed on that planet with Voyager, taken the crew to the planet... and executed them. Terrible end to a series, of course, LOL... but I'm just analyzing them as a villain in the franchise. ;)

    culluh wanted recognition and status, executing prisoners didnt strike me as something he is interested in doing very often if at all if it could be helped. culluh was smart but reasonable, however he wasnt nearly the tactical genius seska was. killing the voyager crew would of painted him to the rest of the quadrant as a monster, opposite his intended message of being a cunning leader with respect and honor.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    also... he might later decide he needed information from them... Hard to get data from a dead guy.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited August 2014
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    there needs to be official confirmation before you plant your flag in the wrong place.

    Uh... Al Rivera, Stephen Ricossa, Brad Stokan, and Thomas "TheCrypticCat" Marrone stood on stage in Las Vegas, and one of them said it would only be the southern region of the Delta Quadrant. (I was not there, so I can't say who... but, aside from Garrett Wang, who said two words for the entire panel... the only people on stage were Cryptic staffers.) The full audio of that panel can be found in episode 184 of Priority One Podcast.

    How much more "official" do you want?

    This "if it ain't in a dev blog, then it ain't true" idea has to stop... like it or not, Cryptic/PWE has decided to use other outlets besides their blog to share news. Dismissing that news simply because it wasn't spoon-fed to us gamers in a blog post (one that will likely come eventually, anyway, mind you) is silly.

    You can debate whether or not this is a good decision all you want, don't get me wrong... but, it won't do any good. And it doesn't change the fact that they came out and said we're only getting the souther portion of the Delta Quadrant.

    Space is big, too... just because we get the southern portion does NOT mean we're only getting one new sector block. :)
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  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Don't forget that they don't plan on releasing everything to us right away. They don't want us to burn through the story and ask for more right away. That's one reason why when it hits tribble, we're not getting the story bits right away so people can take their time to enjoy them.

    I'm guessing the plan is to release everything around the Solanae Dyson Sphere, then work the way up.

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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited August 2014
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    culluh wanted recognition and status, executing prisoners didnt strike me as something he is interested in doing very often if at all if it could be helped. culluh was smart but reasonable, however he wasnt nearly the tactical genius seska was. killing the voyager crew would of painted him to the rest of the quadrant as a monster, opposite his intended message of being a cunning leader with respect and honor.

    Didn't work out so well... :P ;)

    True, he wanted all of those things... but, he wanted power. *He* wanted to be the one to distribute the Federation tech to the rest of the Kazon sects... and, yes, *he* wanted credit for outsmarting Janeway for her perceived smugness.

    But his crew were outsmarted by a projection of light, and Starfleet's closest answer to Dexter Morgan. :P Oh, and some Talaxians... who only won because Voyager was sabotaged.
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  • atomictikiatomictiki Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    The Kazon were the species that won the poll as to what Voyager species we wanted in the game, so they must not be disliked by everyone. :)

    Cryptic got trolled hard with that stupid poll. More fools them for following it.
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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Didn't work out so well... :P ;)

    True, he wanted all of those things... but, he wanted power. *He* wanted to be the one to distribute the Federation tech to the rest of the Kazon sects... and, yes, *he* wanted credit for outsmarting Janeway for her perceived smugness.

    But his crew were outsmarted by a projection of light, and Starfleet's closest answer to Dexter Morgan. :P Oh, and some Talaxians... who only won because Voyager was sabotaged.

    Culluh wouldn't even of been a threat to Voyager without Seska, the guy was a complete moron , an apparent common trait amongst the Kazon. This is the species that thinks prison is a line on the floor you are not allowed to cross.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Uh... Al Rivera, Stephen Ricossa, Brad Stokan, and Thomas "TheCrypticCat" Marrone stood on stage in Las Vegas, and one of them said it would only be the southern region of the Delta Quadrant.

    hah! that means nothing until its actually in game.
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  • drogyn1701drogyn1701 Member Posts: 3,606 Media Corps
    edited August 2014
    The Krenim won the poll, not the Kazon.

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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Didn't work out so well... :P ;)

    True, he wanted all of those things... but, he wanted power. *He* wanted to be the one to distribute the Federation tech to the rest of the Kazon sects... and, yes, *he* wanted credit for outsmarting Janeway for her perceived smugness.

    But his crew were outsmarted by a projection of light, and Starfleet's closest answer to Dexter Morgan. :P Oh, and some Talaxians... who only won because Voyager was sabotaged.

    you seem to be missing the point or intentionally so. when you want to know more you let me know (like that will ever happen :rolleyes:).
    zipagat wrote: »
    Culluh wouldn't even of been a threat to Voyager without Seska, the guy was a complete moron , an apparent common trait amongst the Kazon. This is the species that thinks prison is a line on the floor you are not allowed to cross.

    he wasnt a moron, he knew what he was doing and how he wanted it done even using seska to get it, hes a good leader just a bad tactician, being that kazon were not actually trained in tactics over those 20 years, its not surprising. with a bit of learning he could become really good at it.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Northern region: http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/6007893
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  • jeffel82jeffel82 Member Posts: 2,075 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    mhall85 wrote: »
    Uh... Al Rivera, Stephen Ricossa, Brad Stokan, and Thomas "TheCrypticCat" Marrone stood on stage in Las Vegas, and one of them said it would only be the southern region of the Delta Quadrant. (I was not there, so I can't say who... but, aside from Garrett Wang, who said two words for the entire panel... the only people on stage were Cryptic staffers.) The full audio of that panel can be found in episode 184 of Priority One Podcast.

    How much more "official" do you want?

    I think it's entirely possible that the individual in question misspoke when he said, "southern."

    I also think it's a relatively trivial thing, and am content to wait and see what we get in the actual game.
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