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Can we expect equal number of T6 ships for all factions?
suaveks
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So, basically, since most, if not all the canon ships are already in the game and at T5, we can safely assume T6 ships are going to be all original Cryptic designs.
The ships are going to be created from scratch with the Delta Rising expansion and future release schedule in mind. There's no pressure of "we want this canon ship in the game ASAP!" or any other priorities like that.
As such, can we expect that all factions are going to be given an equal treatment? It's always been FED, FED, FED and more FED, with the KDF getting a mere copypaste of FED ships at best (Mogh), and ROM having the lowest number of playable ships of all factions.
Yet during STLV there were four ships shown - a FED Escort, FED cruiser, KDF Raptor and a ROM Warbird. Even before the launch FED seems to be getting a priority once again, although I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions prematurely, as it's still too early to judge.
So I'd like to request an equal treatment be given to all factions. For every FED T6 ship there shoud be a KDF and ROM T6 ship added. Preferably not of the same class and layout, as there really should be some kind of difference between the faction's designs. Let's say, FEDs get a new Cruiser one month, next month KDF get their Raptor, and then after a month ROM get their Science Warbird, for example. Delta Rising with it's level cap increase and the introduction of Tier 6 should be a fresh start, and an opportunity for all factions to finally be treated equally. I strongly hope this would be the case.
The ships are going to be created from scratch with the Delta Rising expansion and future release schedule in mind. There's no pressure of "we want this canon ship in the game ASAP!" or any other priorities like that.
As such, can we expect that all factions are going to be given an equal treatment? It's always been FED, FED, FED and more FED, with the KDF getting a mere copypaste of FED ships at best (Mogh), and ROM having the lowest number of playable ships of all factions.
Yet during STLV there were four ships shown - a FED Escort, FED cruiser, KDF Raptor and a ROM Warbird. Even before the launch FED seems to be getting a priority once again, although I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions prematurely, as it's still too early to judge.
So I'd like to request an equal treatment be given to all factions. For every FED T6 ship there shoud be a KDF and ROM T6 ship added. Preferably not of the same class and layout, as there really should be some kind of difference between the faction's designs. Let's say, FEDs get a new Cruiser one month, next month KDF get their Raptor, and then after a month ROM get their Science Warbird, for example. Delta Rising with it's level cap increase and the introduction of Tier 6 should be a fresh start, and an opportunity for all factions to finally be treated equally. I strongly hope this would be the case.
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Already confirmed. They're moving in a new direction with all-original ships with X2.
Thankfully they claim your older iconic T5's will remain competitive via an upgrade system, though they'll lack some bells and whistles, such as access to this new class of BOff.
I'm inclined to believe them when they say "competitive" because they've acknowledged before that T6 in and of itself would be game suicide. They wouldn't introduce it without ensuring our existing T5's could be made comparable. I expect it to be monetized, but I doubt it'll be more than a 500 zen thing.
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Did you not hear the part about how your existing T5's will totally still be competitive?
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As far as Cryptic using canon designs for Tier 6 ships, what canon designs? There are no 25th Century canon ship designs that Cryptic could use. The Enterprise-J is 26th Century and too big for player use. The only thing that Cryptic can do is release Tier 6 refits like the Galaxy-X refit, Prometheus Refit, and Sovereign refit. Although, these are not what the OP is asking for.
I'm waiting to see what their definition of "competitive" is. Because we heard it all before and "competitive" could mean our T5 ships can equip MK14s. But if we have to pay to upgrade like with Fleet ships, then I'll pass. I've had enough of the greed.
Afraid this is a given, since there is no canonical ships that could even be defined as fitting in Tier 6. Because the post Nemesis ships we seen were the Dauntless (Azati Prime), the Rhode Island (which Cryptic made into a T2+ ship), the Vod'leH (Negh'var refit), the Yellowstone Runabout, the Enterprise-J, and the time ships.
But honestly, I'm not impressed with Cryptic's T6 ships, they really do not scream Federation nor Klingon to me. The Romulan ship seems passible, but lacks the Romulan elegance in their designs like their blended curved hulls. No offense to the ship teams, but I seen better fan designs that fit better in the STO Era than these alien designs (and I mean alien, not even the canonical future designs were so alien).
Be nice, but if I recall them commenting at Las Vegas, that the Federation is going to get more of the attention.
You're being obtuse. A bunch of T1's running ISE in 45 minutes is not even remotely competitive with a bunch of T5's that can do it in less than 5 minutes.
If you want to leave, just leave.
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There's no way it'll be something as simple as just being able to equip Mk XIV items. Existing lower-tier ships can already do that with Mk XII's, but that doesn't make them "competitive". You'd be an idiot to think thery won't include an upgrade mechanic that's actually an upgrade, even if it still isn't quite on par (T5.75-ish?), and you'd realize you were being an idiot if you could see past your pessimism for a moment.
I can't fault you on passing on a monetized upgrade, though. You already have to pay twice to get a Fleet C-Store ship complete with console. A third layer onto that would be kinda silly. I'd be willing to pay it because lol LTS stipend but I don't blame anyone for throwing their hands up and giving up at the prospect.
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I don't see how the definition of competitive is at all subjective on this matter.
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It's whether or not that treatment will continue. And honestly I feel that they will probably continue on their current trend of primarily Fed ships and lockbox ships in the long-term, tier 6 or not.
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You're doing this on purpose. If you're not going to attempt to use common sense and rational thought, then I'm done with you.
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The KDF ship looks like a slightly modified Vorcha, so that's about as Klingon as you can get with a made up ship. I agree with the Fed comment, that thing just looks blocky and angular, nothing like what you'd expect from the UFP. It looks like the a Tholian interpretation of the Prometheus. The Romulan design looks like an older design rather than a more futuristic one, but at least it fits with the faction.
Realistically, and I say this as a KDF player, the feds are the priority, it just makes business sense, so I support it.
The being said hopefully they give the KDF and Rommies a tier 6 verison of the major lines.
So for KDF for example, a tier 6 Raptor, Battle Cruiser, BoP, Carrier, Gorn Support Ship, Orion Flight Deck Cruiser, Nausicaan Escort, and possibly a Feklyri Carrier.
Can i dream for a T6 ferasan carrier / flight-deck carrier?
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Its not just STO that is Fed Centric. Star Trek in general has always been Fed Centric. Most franchises that have factions tend to fixate on the one Hero faction.
Some franchises with factions do give equal spotlight time to their factions, such as StarCraft, Battletech, and maybe Warhammer, but for the most part the one Hero Faction tends to get more love.
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Sure...Competitive. Keep drinking the kool-aid.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
To add to what you're saying. The "hero" is a matter of perception, forced on the viewer by the writer, director, producer, editor. Star Wars, the Rebels were the bad guys. A group of rebels attempting to overthrow the existing government.