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Say Something Positive About the JJverse

starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
edited August 2014 in Ten Forward
Because quite frankly complaining threads are a dime a dozen and complaining about JJ is like shooting fish in a barrel.

I'll start us off: First Star Trek film to win an Oscar.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,768 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    kirk interested in justice rather than vengeance for once
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  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Lense flares oh wait you want good things erm
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    Leonard Nemoy only coz he is Spock
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Carol Marcus /swoon
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  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Zachary Quinto makes a good Spock, Karl Urban makes a fantastic Bones.
  • belidosbelidos Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The only positive thing I can say about it is that I never have to ever watch that travesty again.
  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    I actually think Chris Pine does a good job as screwed-up Kirk. People are too busy comparing him to Prime Kirk and complaining to realize that the tragic aspect--what was lost in Kirk due to Nero's actions--is something that JJ and company likely were going for intentionally. It *should* evoke a sense of loss. There are certain scenes that really point to this--the immediate aftermath of Kirk's mind-meld with Prime Spock (based on what we saw with Spock and Picard, we know nuKirk would have picked up an echo of his Prime-Verse self), which clearly shook him, and the progressive falling-apart in Into Darkness. Maybe no one else sees it that way or agrees with me, but for me, even with the imperfections the JJVerse movies have, that aspect really has worked for me.

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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    stofsk wrote: »
    Zachary Quinto makes a good Spock, Karl Urban makes a fantastic Bones.

    Agreed on Bones...you can close your eyes and hear DeForest Kelly speaking.

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    edited August 2014
    Good music!
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    something positive hmm?

    1. jj is no longer heading crapverse.
    2. enough people realize its TRIBBLE.

    only positive things i can think of.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    gulberat wrote: »
    I actually think Chris Pine does a good job as screwed-up Kirk. People are too busy comparing him to Prime Kirk and complaining to realize that the tragic aspect--what was lost in Kirk due to Nero's actions--is something that JJ and company likely were going for intentionally. It *should* evoke a sense of loss. There are certain scenes that really point to this--the immediate aftermath of Kirk's mind-meld with Prime Spock (based on what we saw with Spock and Picard, we know nuKirk would have picked up an echo of his Prime-Verse self), which clearly shook him, and the progressive falling-apart in Into Darkness. Maybe no one else sees it that way or agrees with me, but for me, even with the imperfections the JJVerse movies have, that aspect really has worked for me.
    It's often missed by those who want to focus on lens flares (of all things!), but there should be a difference. NuKirk should be a mess. PrimeKirk was raised by a loving mother and a father who was a moderately heroic Starfleet officer. NuKirk's heroic Starfleet father died just after he was born; instead, he was raised by a mother who spent a lot of time offplanet, and a stepfather who (in a deleted scene, at least) was abusive and drove Jim's brother to run away.

    If he hadn't come out of that with some issues, that would have been even worse writing than the "let's throw away our FTL drive in order to escape the black hole" scene, or the "cold fusion means it freezes things, right?" bit from STID.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    jonsills wrote: »
    It's often missed by those who want to focus on lens flares (of all things!), but there should be a difference. NuKirk should be a mess. PrimeKirk was raised by a loving mother and a father who was a moderately heroic Starfleet officer. NuKirk's heroic Starfleet father died just after he was born; instead, he was raised by a mother who spent a lot of time offplanet, and a stepfather who (in a deleted scene, at least) was abusive and drove Jim's brother to run away.

    If he hadn't come out of that with some issues, that would have been even worse writing than the "let's throw away our FTL drive in order to escape the black hole" scene, or the "cold fusion means it freezes things, right?" bit from STID.

    Another thing about him that drives people nuts is his arrogance. This, too, has a fairly obvious explanation. Among other things Prime!Kirk lived through the deaths of ~300 fellow crew members on a mission when he was a lieutenant. His overwhelming self-confidence is tempered by years of experience that Alt!Kirk never had, so Alt!Kirk is full-blown arrogant because he's still young enough to believe himself invincible.
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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
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    stofsk wrote: »
    Zachary Quinto makes a good Spock, Karl Urban makes a fantastic Bones.

    ^^This. Chris Pine was far more subtle, but I can definitely see traces of Shatner's performance in his actions.

    Another positive: they gave Uhura a beefier part. About the only time previously that the character had a more substantial role from "hailing frequencies open" was when she was either singing or dancing.

    Sulu's fencing was used to good advantage.

    George Kirk. The Narada crew should have scanned for Kirk DNA first. Their mistake.

    Although some people are really angry about this point, the writers had the guts to destroy three iconic planets, radically altering the universe. I salute them for not taking the "easily reset" path. Watching Vulcan die was a shock only comparable to Spock's WoK death, or the destruction of the Enterprise in the third film. I just wish it had been Tellar Prime rather than Vulcan. :(
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    steamwright wrote: »
    Another positive: they gave Uhura a beefier part. About the only time previously that the character had a more substantial role from "hailing frequencies open" was when she was either singing or dancing.
    Oh, absolutely. Expanding Uhura's role was an extremely good decision.
    steamwright wrote: »
    Although some people are really angry about this point, the writers had the guts to destroy three iconic planets, radically altering the universe. I salute them for not taking the "easily reset" path. Watching Vulcan die was a shock only comparable to Spock's WoK death, or the destruction of the Enterprise in the third film. I just wish it had been Tellar Prime rather than Vulcan. :(

    Wouldn't have had the same impact. Simple fact is the Tellarites are far less of a franchise staple than the Vulcans.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Too many things for me to name. The JJ movies are great so far. I have far less ni9tpicks than I do praises for the movies.
    mirrorchaos wrote: »
    something positive hmm?

    1. jj is no longer heading crapverse.
    2. enough people realize its TRIBBLE.

    only positive things i can think of.
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  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    For better or for worse, the JJverse made Star Trek popular again. Especially as a theatrical film. Seeing a Star Trek movie in a theater that was actually packed and had an enthusiastic crowd is a wonderful thing.
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Starfleet-issue underwear shown to match the uniform :cool:
  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited August 2014
    altechachan wrote: »
    For better or for worse, the JJverse made Star Trek popular again. Especially as a theatrical film. Seeing a Star Trek movie in a theater that was actually packed and had an enthusiastic crowd is a wonderful thing.

    Best theater experience I ever had was premier night of The Undiscovered Country. I literally snagged the last seat in the room, and didn't care because everyone was laughing, and cheering, and having a grand time.

    marcusdkane wrote: »
    Starfleet-issue underwear shown to match the uniform :cool:

    All the better to sell Underoos with. :rolleyes:
  • admiralnatadmiralnat Member Posts: 22,432 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    The ships. The ships look great, especially the Dreadnought Class. :D
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    stofsk wrote: »
    Zachary Quinto makes a good Spock, Karl Urban makes a fantastic Bones.

    My favorite scene ...

    Permission to speak freely ...

    Of course ...

    ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR VULCAN MIND!

    Urban nailed it. The Spock-Bones dichotomy lives on.
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  • alexmakepeacealexmakepeace Member Posts: 10,633 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    It has protons in it.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    alexmakepeace wrote: »
    It has protons in it.
    Positrons, too, in the antimatter storage unit.
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  • alexmakepeacealexmakepeace Member Posts: 10,633 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    jonsills wrote: »
    Positrons, too, in the antimatter storage unit.

    I thought those were different names for the same thing?
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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Nope...a positron is an anti-electron, if I am not mistaken.

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    edited August 2014
    It's shiny. I like shiny things...
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    gulberat wrote: »
    Nope...a positron is an anti-electron, if I am not mistaken.
    You are not mistaken. It's the only antiparticle of which I'm aware that isn't called "anti[normal particle]".

    Electrons carry a negative charge, while protons are positive; positrons carry a positive charge, while antiprotons are negative.
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  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    It may have lacked some of the more subtle moral fables that the TV series is know for, but it achieves a sense of action and drama that movies goers demand

    In this sense it has renewed mainstream interest in the franchise, I can't imagine modern mainstream movie watchers enjoying a new TMP style movie
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  • alexmakepeacealexmakepeace Member Posts: 10,633 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    jonsills wrote: »
    You are not mistaken. It's the only antiparticle of which I'm aware that isn't called "anti[normal particle]".

    Electrons carry a negative charge, while protons are positive; positrons carry a positive charge, while antiprotons are negative.
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  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 36,106 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Personally, I think it is well-cast (Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban and Chris Pine in particular), has great visuals, and good writing (mostly).

    If I have to pick one complaint, it's that Kirk does seem like an ***hole in the first film, but they use that to develop him further in the second film, where he goes from the arrogant pr**k at the start of the film to a responsible adult at the end.

    As for the JJprise... Okay, I wasn't a fan at first, mainly because of the bussard collectors, but it grew on me (especially once I realised there is a PrimeVerse precedent for it (i.e. the Excelsior-Class)). It's probably one of my favourite designs, next to the Sovereign, Galaxy and Defiant.
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    ryan218 wrote: »
    Personally, I think it is well-cast (Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban and Chris Pine in particular), has great visuals, and good writing (mostly).

    If I have to pick one complaint, it's that Kirk does seem like an ***hole in the first film, but they use that to develop him further in the second film, where he goes from the arrogant pr**k at the start of the film to a responsible adult at the end.

    As for the JJprise... Okay, I wasn't a fan at first, mainly because of the bussard collectors, but it grew on me (especially once I realised there is a PrimeVerse precedent for it (i.e. the Excelsior-Class)). It's probably one of my favourite designs, next to the Sovereign, Galaxy and Defiant.
    Not picking, but how're you comparing the JJprise to the Excelsior? :confused: I can't see much similarity between them :confused:
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