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heffernan3heffernan3 Member Posts: 60 Arc User
edited July 2014 in The Academy
hey, i always though id wanted to ask how the STO storyline works?


i noticed a few things thats totally non-canon and though id ask.


1) Janeway destroyed the borg, how are they back?

2) the jemhadar retreated to the beta quadrant after there defeat, how are they attacking again?

3) janeway implemented a perfect weapon to defeat the Specis 8472 in Episode "Scorpion" why cant we 1hit them in Elite STFs?

4) again Janeway Brought back a Weapon to 1hit the borg known as "Transphasic-Torpedos" same as the "Ablative-Generator" minimizing damage to 0 from the Borg these systems Blueprints are in the computer core of the Voyager why is neither of 3) or 4) used in the recent Season9 Mission used by Tuvok to 1hit all the Borg/Species Ships altho it should still be implemented on the Voyager Ship.


if you have more similar stuff or anything else to add to the discussion, feel free...
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  • kimmymkimmym Member Posts: 1,317 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    1) She didn't destroy the borg, just severely hampered them. It has taken them some time to recover.

    2) Explained in the mission text, I will not spoiler it here, but there is an answer.

    3) It has been a great many years since that weapon was developed. Like all other technology it has been surpassed.

    4) They adapted.
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  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    heffernan3 wrote: »
    hey, i always though id wanted to ask how the STO storyline works?


    i noticed a few things thats totally non-canon and though id ask.


    1) Janeway destroyed the borg, how are they back?

    2) the jemhadar retreated to the beta quadrant after there defeat, how are they attacking again?

    3) janeway implemented a perfect weapon to defeat the Specis 8472 in Episode "Scorpion" why cant we 1hit them in Elite STFs?

    4) again Janeway Brought back a Weapon to 1hit the borg known as "Transphasic-Torpedos" same as the "Ablative-Generator" minimizing damage to 0 from the Borg these systems Blueprints are in the computer core of the Voyager why is neither of 3) or 4) used in the recent Season9 Mission used by Tuvok to 1hit all the Borg/Species Ships altho it should still be implemented on the Voyager Ship.


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    1. The Borg are back because players want to fight the Borg because most players are Trekkies and like the borg as bad guys. In-universe, they're back because even a Perfect Mary Sue Captain like Janeway can't stop the Borg permanently when a few drones are left, and the Federation council refuses to finish them off because politicians are stupid.

    2. People like fighting the Dominion. In-universe, it's because a lot of Jem'Hadar bred in the Alpha quadrant after the wormhole was closed off to the Dominion stayed in the Alpha Quadrant and/or went rogue after the Dominion retreat, and are now working with radical fascist Cardassian terrorists.

    3. Because frankly "Scorpion" was a stupid episode and it's not fair for players to have a weapon that 1-shots any and all Undine, especially when the Undine are supposed to be a tough fight.

    4. Because the Borg adapted, and because as said above "Scorpion" was a stupid and poorly-written episode clogged to the core with dumb character moves, blatant railroading, canon discontinuity, and deus ex machina, as was "Endgame" to only a slightly lesser extent. Also, it's not fun to play Borg missions if your ship is immune to everything the Borg throw at you AND can 1-shot unimatrix hive command ships.
  • kamenriderzero1kamenriderzero1 Member Posts: 906 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    1. It was never made canon exactly how big a blow Voyager dealt to the Borg.

    2. It was never established they'd all left in the first place.

    3. For the same reason many seemingly obvious things are not done, resources. Those torpedoes did not come easy nor cheap.

    4.They're the Borg. They adapt. The transphasic torpedoes in Endgame to the Borg were like a baseball team bringing out a pitcher that throws 150 MPH. He's going to rack up a huge amount of strikeouts at first, but eventually, people will learn to hit what's he's throwing.
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    heffernan3 wrote: »
    1) Janeway destroyed the borg, how are they back?

    It was left deliberately vague how much damage she managed to do in "Endgame". The Queen and the unicomplex were destroyed, but that's all we know for sure.
    heffernan3 wrote: »
    2) the jemhadar retreated to the beta quadrant after there defeat, how are they attacking again?

    Most of the Jem'Hadar in STO are Alphas that chose to stay behind in the Alpha Quadrant after the Dominion War ended. They work as mercenaries for the True Way.
    heffernan3 wrote: »
    3) janeway implemented a perfect weapon to defeat the Specis 8472 in Episode "Scorpion" why cant we 1hit them in Elite STFs?

    Like the Borg, the Undine adapted.
    heffernan3 wrote: »
    4) again Janeway Brought back a Weapon to 1hit the borg known as "Transphasic-Torpedos" same as the "Ablative-Generator" minimizing damage to 0 from the Borg these systems Blueprints are in the computer core of the Voyager why is neither of 3) or 4) used in the recent Season9 Mission used by Tuvok to 1hit all the Borg/Species Ships altho it should still be implemented on the Voyager Ship.

    Presumably the Borg adapted to the technology. Or perhaps the technology brought back in "Endgame" was destroyed per the Temporal Prime Directive, and the stuff in STO is just early attempts to replicate their success.

    If you have questions about the STO timeline, I recommend reading The Path to 2409. It's a complete history of everything that happened between Nemesis and STO.
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  • tmassxtmassx Member Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Star Trek can not have something like the canon on the reason that the story and screenplay written by various authors . Directors either know little about ST ( JJA ) or nothing (Stuart Baird). Space , distance and warp speed varies according to how it fits . Therefore, ST geek 's argument seems to me ridiculous.
    A canon of the STO can not talk at all, just look at the constantly additional Battlezone where you destroy hundreds of enemies over and over again , the Romulans have changed as the rebels from StarWars or Firefly , Orion prostitutes operate Qo'noS , the Federation had no scruples to use thalaron weapons or theta radiation, crazy dinosaurs with lasers on their heads .
  • dkratascodkratasco Member Posts: 585 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    1) Borg cannot be totally destroyed by physical damage. Even single probe hidden in some nebula etc. is enough to rebuild whole collective, and galaxy is really big place to hide such small object.

    3 and 4) It's more then 40 years after Voy/Nemesis all technology seen there ate more or less outdated. Undine had plenty of time to counter effect such weapon. Endgame technology is one of ST time paradox and it probably disappear after Voyager returned to Earth, no long voyage -> no need to go back from future with technology. What's more borg also had plenty of time to adapt to anything what hit it.
  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    reyan01 wrote: »

    And whilst I haven't seen 'Endgame' for a very long time, I'm sure the Queen made reference to the Borg having assimiliated and adapted the shuttle's tech.

    They only found it, and presumable it was destroyed with the Unimatrix. The ablative armor however was overcome by the borg, torps werent.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    heffernan3 wrote: »
    hey, i always though id wanted to ask how the STO storyline works?


    i noticed a few things thats totally non-canon and though id ask.


    1) Janeway destroyed the borg, how are they back?

    2) the jemhadar retreated to the beta quadrant after there defeat, how are they attacking again?

    3) janeway implemented a perfect weapon to defeat the Specis 8472 in Episode "Scorpion" why cant we 1hit them in Elite STFs?

    4) again Janeway Brought back a Weapon to 1hit the borg known as "Transphasic-Torpedos" same as the "Ablative-Generator" minimizing damage to 0 from the Borg these systems Blueprints are in the computer core of the Voyager why is neither of 3) or 4) used in the recent Season9 Mission used by Tuvok to 1hit all the Borg/Species Ships altho it should still be implemented on the Voyager Ship.


    if you have more similar stuff or anything else to add to the discussion, feel free...

    1. their main hub the unicomplex was destroyed with trillions of borg eliminated, the queen and a borg connection choking on a virus, borg beingborg adapted to the virus purged it in typical borg fashion and then just rebuilt, dont forget the borg have assimilated whole worlds in the past hundreds of cubes and spheres, several other transwarp hubs with billions more borg there. they were far from destroyed if you cared to notice.

    2. it wasnt the beta quadrant it was the gamma quadrant, again if you had cared to notice the battle to get to deep space 9 with late klingon reinforcements, sisko and the defiant made its way to ds9 to see the minefield come down, they went into the wormhole and sisko renegotiated his existance in life to remove the thousands of dominion reinforcements bythe prophets in the wormhole, 2800 establishes these reinforcements were simply in stasis by the prophets and were just released, so as far as these reinforcements are concerned the war isnt over. again do some research.

    3. the borg recreated the weapon from the borg nanoprobes that can destroy 8472 dna. fyi it can hit em and have no effect until the bioships charge up for an attack.

    4. that was a silly plot point to finish off the series as quick as possible, just more shoddy writing from the voyager writers. as far as taking it to the game. one word: balance.
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Some points nobody else seemed to cover:

    1. The complex destroyed was one of six such hubs the Borg possessed, and we saw other large complexes as well, some of which we know they lost to species 8472, along with completely assimilated planets. The Borg had at that point survived the destruction of two queens and whatever damage 8472 had done, the loss of another complex isn't going to destroy them.

    2. Everything in DS9 that disappeared in the wormhole eventually came out. A 200 year old Bajoran poet, for example.

    3. Arms race, no weapon is without countermeasures, and species 8472 is exceptionally good at countering invasive foreign objects. When Tuvok uses it in the FE, most of the ships survive, damaged but still able to intercept the Aquarius. They aren't even that badly damaged, most of the work cutting through them is done by one of those "hero buffs" recent FEs have started using, not Tuvok's torpedo.

    4. Same as 3, but this time, the show gives us the answer. The Borg queen said right in the episode "We will adapt to your torpedoes," to which future-Janeway agreed, except that by the time they did Voyager would have trashed the transwarp hub and it wouldn't matter anymore.

    As for the armor, the Borg had already adapted to that by the end of the episode. The last sphere did more damage to Voyager than the swarm of cubes that went before it, breaching the armor and the hull behind it. They'd already adapted to the pathogen, as well, leaving only the torpedoes, which they knew how to adapt to and have had ample time.
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