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Let me clarify something. I did bug the issue that Marauder Boffs cannot change their costume. If/when this is fixed, they will still not be able to use the Odyssey or any other Starfleet uniform option. This is by design as these are intended to represent Federation races who have gone to work for the Klingons and therefore are not part of Starfleet, and so won't be wearing Starfleet uniforms.
Let me clarify something. I did bug the issue that Marauder Boffs cannot change their costume. If/when this is fixed, they will still not be able to use the Odyssey or any other Starfleet uniform option. This is by design as these are intended to represent Federation races who have gone to work for the Klingons and therefore are not part of Starfleet, and so won't be wearing Starfleet uniforms.
This makes, no sense, what so ever. If a Klingon "Marauder", decided to join Starfleet, he/she would still be issued a Starfleet uniform. Same goes in reverse, with a former Starfleet operative, now joining the KDF.
It makes perfect sense. What you said also makes perfect sense. The uniform choices/restrictions/omissions are just confusing and nonsensical at times.
Update for everyone! Adding this to the blog as well.
Q: Can my cross faction Bridge Officer wear the Odyssey/Bortasqu' uniform?
A: Yes! Mr Marrone and I just confirmed it, if you have your Diplomacy/Marauding cross faction BOff, you can indeed access the uniform for their corresponding fleet.
Make sure to try this on your Fed/KDF BOffs if you have reached top tier in Diplomacy/Marauding CXP and have claimed your cross faction Bridge Officer.
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~CaptainSmirk
Obviously, what you're saying is, this is incorrect. But it's also not intended that the boffs have zero customizability.
This makes, no sense, what so ever. If a Klingon "Marauder", decided to join Starfleet, he/she would still be issued a Starfleet uniform. Same goes in reverse, with a former Starfleet operative, now joining the KDF.
Except they can't wear the Starfleet uniforms, much to our annoyance. KDF boffs earned through Diplomacy CXP for Federation captains (such as a Gorn boff on a Fed ship) can only wear KDF uniforms and not anything from the Starfleet uniform sets, and in addition still use the KDF red beam-out effect even while the rest of the Away Team uses the blue Federation transporter effect.
Marauder boffs should get access to KDF uniforms just as Diplomacy boffs should use Starfleet uniforms. And if you're Romulan... well, you should be able to put your Diplomacy or Marauder boff in a Romulan Republic uniform.
Marauder boffs should get access to KDF uniforms just as Diplomacy boffs should use Starfleet uniforms. And if you're Romulan... well, you should be able to put your Diplomacy or Marauder boff in a Romulan Republic uniform.
I would be ok with this.
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It would be fair to all parties involved and allow captains/players to keep their bridge crews thematically appropriate. Why is that Gorn in a Starfleet uniform? Because he's a Starfleet officer. Why is that Andorian in KDF leathers? Because he's a member of the Klingon Defense Force. Etc.
The galaxy's a big place with trillions of people in it. The Federation alone has a population of over a trillion. There are always outliers, renegades, defectors, and people who were plain born on a colony or world that's in an opposing empire. I'm sure there are renegade Humans who are in the KDF or working as pirates and mercenaries, just as there are Orions who aren't members of the Syndicate and enlisted with Starfleet. So it's entirely fitting within the canon and universe to have this option for the boffs.
Let me clarify something. I did bug the issue that Marauder Boffs cannot change their costume. If/when this is fixed, they will still not be able to use the Odyssey or any other Starfleet uniform option. This is by design as these are intended to represent Federation races who have gone to work for the Klingons and therefore are not part of Starfleet, and so won't be wearing Starfleet uniforms.
That's all well and good, I'd be fine with them in KDF uniforms if possible, I just want to be able to do SOMETHING with them. and like was said, it was suggested in the post they'd be able to, so yeah there's some confusion
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Let me clarify something. I did bug the issue that Marauder Boffs cannot change their costume. If/when this is fixed, they will still not be able to use the Odyssey or any other Starfleet uniform option. This is by design as these are intended to represent Federation races who have gone to work for the Klingons and therefore are not part of Starfleet, and so won't be wearing Starfleet uniforms.
Perhaps you should clarify your clarification with the Odyssey and Bortasqu' Uniform News Article then as they are in contradiction.
For Odyssey Uniforms from the News Article
Klingon officers who have reached Rank 4 of their Marauding CXP status and claimed their enemy faction BOff from DS9, will be able to outfit their Starfleet faction Bridge-Officer in the Odyssey uniform.
For Bortasqu' Uniforms from the News Article
Starfleet officers who have reached Rank 4 of their Diplomatic CXP status and claimed their enemy faction BOff from DS9, will be able to outfit their Klingon Defense Force faction Bridge-Officer in the Bortasqu' uniform.
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
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...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
Let me clarify something. I did bug the issue that Marauder Boffs cannot change their costume. If/when this is fixed, they will still not be able to use the Odyssey or any other Starfleet uniform option. This is by design as these are intended to represent Federation races who have gone to work for the Klingons and therefore are not part of Starfleet, and so won't be wearing Starfleet uniforms.
Marauder boffs should get access to KDF uniforms just as Diplomacy boffs should use Starfleet uniforms. And if you're Romulan... well, you should be able to put your Diplomacy or Marauder boff in a Romulan Republic uniform.
The odyssey uniform is a STARFLEET uniform. Why would Klingons or romulans be able to wear it? That .makes no sense. Also, since we're talking cross faction, why are Klingon alligned doffs and boffs available on the fed exchange when we can't even use them? This is also an issue that makes no sense.
I'm equally confused as many others, Frost. Do you mean Smirk and the blog are wrong? Do you mean even after a potential bugfix, Marauder Boffs will still only be able to wear the one shirt?
I wouln't call the latter much of a fix. Sure it'd be great to actually customise said shirt, or hair, face. But I'd really like to get access to some uniforms for them. I don't really care if it's the BortasQu' or the Odyssey one, just some uniforms please. If you fix the customisation but we'll keep being locked to shirts and nothing else, it's still kinda pathetic. More so seeing the Diplomacy Boffs can wear pretty much any KDF standard outfits.
This area really needs clearing and fixing after the two years of being bugged.
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I'd be perfectly fine with KDF marauding boffs being able to wear KDF costumes, and Fed diplo boffs being able to wear Fed costumes. I'd love to see my Gorn boff in an Odyssey uniform.
Let me clarify something. I did bug the issue that Marauder Boffs cannot change their costume. If/when this is fixed, they will still not be able to use the Odyssey or any other Starfleet uniform option. This is by design as these are intended to represent Federation races who have gone to work for the Klingons and therefore are not part of Starfleet, and so won't be wearing Starfleet uniforms.
Uhm, so representatives of the Klingon Empire joining the Federation can wear Klingon uniforms? That is illogical thinking that is covering up an excuse for not wanting to address the issue, if this line of thinking was accurate then Diplomacy boffs would be locked as well. My Federation Gorn boff can wear a Klingon Empire uniform and a KLINGON EMPIRE BADGE:
The simplest fix would be to let these boffs wear whatever species specific outfits they come with and the outfits of their alignment (Fed allied Gorn wear Fed uniforms, KDF allied Ferengi wear KDF uniforms). And don't get me started on Jem'Hadar/Reman/Breen boffs!!
Sorry for the miss-information about the Fed Renegade BOffs using the Ody uniforms.
We are currently checking to see what the final result will be for these cross faction BOffs being able to access the uniforms ad we will get back to you as soon as we have a final answer.
Sorry for the miss-information about the Fed Renegade BOffs using the Ody uniforms.
We are currently checking to see what the final result will be for these cross faction BOffs being able to access the uniforms ad we will get back to you as soon as we have a final answer.
Thanks for your patience!
~CaptainSmirk
No worries dude, thanks for trying to get answers for us, it really is appreciated. You and Trendy and Bran before you have all been great at what you do, I don't really think I could handle it.
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What about allowing the Marauding Bridge Officers to use the Off Duty outfits? At least until something else gets made for them? It would allow us to customize them more then we can now at least.
What about allowing the Marauding Bridge Officers to use the Off Duty outfits? At least until something else gets made for them? It would allow us to customize them more then we can now at least.
Just my two cents or EC.
I'd be fine with that
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Diplomacy bridge officers are exchange officers, they dont "join the Federation", they are on a exchange like when Riker was exchanged with a Klingon Officer in a TNG episode.
Did Riker changed uniform? no ... did the Klingon changed uniform? no.
Marauding bridge officers are not Federation officers, they are simply people that joined up but they arent members of the KDF either, thus they dont wear either uniform (its like you saying a civilian contractor of Academi should be wearing the US Army uniform), likewise Breen dont wear any of the factions uniforms because they arent commissioned officers on either the KDF, RR or Starfleet.
Well I tried to find anything in game to support that diplomacy bridge officers are in fact exchange officers, all I could find was this:
Fairly vague, doesn't really specify if they're members of the KDF still or not, just says they're from the KDF... When you look at the reward list for tier IV diplomacy in the duty officer UI it only says 'Select a single Bridge Officer candidate from an enemy faction' and it says this for both diplomacy and marauding.
While there's literally nothing at all here the window is titled "Renegade Officer Assignment". So according to this marauding boffs are defectors... seems to me like the devs don't even know what's going on because no one took the time to sit down and write detailed descriptions and reasoning for anything with regard to these boffs.
So after that I realized I was going about things all wrong and went to what I know... duty officers. The diplomacy/marauding duty officers have fun little quotes that I guess are there to give them a light backstory... I don't know it was probably an afterthought, but they are revealing in some cases:
These Orion and Gorn officers seem more than willing to stick it to the Klingons, understandable seeing how they did invade/enslave their people according to STO lore. Now let's look at some KDF marauding duty officer quotes:
Well this Bolian doesn't like the Federation, that was a fairly common statement made with most of these doffs. A few mention they felt like they were free in the KDF, etc... then we have this guy:
This kitty wants blood, but is also a very tired kitty :P So are Diplomacy/Marauding doffs and boffs exchange officers, civilians working for the opposite faction, defectors? Well the Federation does have a policy allowing non-aligned species, hence why you see Ferengi running around ESD, so species that have had their planets annexed by the KDF and are forced to fight with them or against them could probably quite easily join the Federation. Now with regards to the Klingon Empire and nonaligned species you kinda reach a grey area, but when you look at Letheans.. they are basically mercenaries in the KDF according to lore, yet they can wear Klingon Uniforms??? So these marauding boffs aren't allowed because they are... not mercenaries?
All I do know is the fact that you can't edit anything on marauding boffs is obviously some kind of bug, if this weren't the case then the edit button in the tailor would be greyed out like it is with Breen/Remans/Etc.
And while you can argue that the Klingons would probably not want any Federation or unaligned species wearing their uniforms.... well I'll just leave these gems here:
I'm just grateful that marauders are finally getting looked at. While it would be nice if they had access to all the Fed options, I can live with off-duty outfits and the uniform choices that aren't actually uniforms like the Seven of Nine, T'Pol and counsellor outfits.
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Wait, so this might just actually be fixed? How long has it been? 2 years?
It'd be great but I doubt it. There seems to be too many layers of bugs to it.
For instance, I have the same trouble as OP, however I haven't even got 'arm attach' fields showing (on Tribble):
http://s2.postimg.org/felsmj8d3/screenshot_2014_07_08_18_27_15.jpg
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Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
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This makes, no sense, what so ever. If a Klingon "Marauder", decided to join Starfleet, he/she would still be issued a Starfleet uniform. Same goes in reverse, with a former Starfleet operative, now joining the KDF.
Obviously, what you're saying is, this is incorrect. But it's also not intended that the boffs have zero customizability.
Except they can't wear the Starfleet uniforms, much to our annoyance. KDF boffs earned through Diplomacy CXP for Federation captains (such as a Gorn boff on a Fed ship) can only wear KDF uniforms and not anything from the Starfleet uniform sets, and in addition still use the KDF red beam-out effect even while the rest of the Away Team uses the blue Federation transporter effect.
Marauder boffs should get access to KDF uniforms just as Diplomacy boffs should use Starfleet uniforms. And if you're Romulan... well, you should be able to put your Diplomacy or Marauder boff in a Romulan Republic uniform.
I would be ok with this.
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It would be fair to all parties involved and allow captains/players to keep their bridge crews thematically appropriate. Why is that Gorn in a Starfleet uniform? Because he's a Starfleet officer. Why is that Andorian in KDF leathers? Because he's a member of the Klingon Defense Force. Etc.
The galaxy's a big place with trillions of people in it. The Federation alone has a population of over a trillion. There are always outliers, renegades, defectors, and people who were plain born on a colony or world that's in an opposing empire. I'm sure there are renegade Humans who are in the KDF or working as pirates and mercenaries, just as there are Orions who aren't members of the Syndicate and enlisted with Starfleet. So it's entirely fitting within the canon and universe to have this option for the boffs.
That's all well and good, I'd be fine with them in KDF uniforms if possible, I just want to be able to do SOMETHING with them. and like was said, it was suggested in the post they'd be able to, so yeah there's some confusion
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Perhaps you should clarify your clarification with the Odyssey and Bortasqu' Uniform News Article then as they are in contradiction.
For Odyssey Uniforms from the News Article
For Bortasqu' Uniforms from the News Article
it's possible that Frost simply didn't know this was in the pipeline, but yes I agree that some clarification would be helpful at this point.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/6003273-odyssey-and-bortasqu%27-uniforms-coming-soon%21
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I'm unsure why you've quoted my post and then posted a link to the news article that I quoted from. Was that just for him to find the article easier?
Agreed 9,001%.
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I wouln't call the latter much of a fix. Sure it'd be great to actually customise said shirt, or hair, face. But I'd really like to get access to some uniforms for them. I don't really care if it's the BortasQu' or the Odyssey one, just some uniforms please. If you fix the customisation but we'll keep being locked to shirts and nothing else, it's still kinda pathetic. More so seeing the Diplomacy Boffs can wear pretty much any KDF standard outfits.
This area really needs clearing and fixing after the two years of being bugged.
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Uhm, so representatives of the Klingon Empire joining the Federation can wear Klingon uniforms? That is illogical thinking that is covering up an excuse for not wanting to address the issue, if this line of thinking was accurate then Diplomacy boffs would be locked as well. My Federation Gorn boff can wear a Klingon Empire uniform and a KLINGON EMPIRE BADGE:
http://i.imgur.com/T3jy6rL.jpg
Is that by design? Plus, does anybody remember this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rJvf2FWLlXk/UTkyvRJ030I/AAAAAAAACKo/dsVpAoPKamw/s1600/amatterofhonor199.jpg
Or this:
https://rindastartrekds9.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/32.jpg
The simplest fix would be to let these boffs wear whatever species specific outfits they come with and the outfits of their alignment (Fed allied Gorn wear Fed uniforms, KDF allied Ferengi wear KDF uniforms). And don't get me started on Jem'Hadar/Reman/Breen boffs!!
Sorry for the miss-information about the Fed Renegade BOffs using the Ody uniforms.
We are currently checking to see what the final result will be for these cross faction BOffs being able to access the uniforms ad we will get back to you as soon as we have a final answer.
Thanks for your patience!
~CaptainSmirk
yes that was my intent, sorry for the confusion.
No worries dude, thanks for trying to get answers for us, it really is appreciated. You and Trendy and Bran before you have all been great at what you do, I don't really think I could handle it.
Let us upgrade the Seleya Ceremonial Lirpa and Kri'stak Blade
Just my two cents or EC.
I'd be fine with that
Let us upgrade the Seleya Ceremonial Lirpa and Kri'stak Blade
Well I tried to find anything in game to support that diplomacy bridge officers are in fact exchange officers, all I could find was this:
http://i.imgur.com/3yeXgmt.png
Fairly vague, doesn't really specify if they're members of the KDF still or not, just says they're from the KDF... When you look at the reward list for tier IV diplomacy in the duty officer UI it only says 'Select a single Bridge Officer candidate from an enemy faction' and it says this for both diplomacy and marauding.
Now when I went to the marauding guy I got this:
http://i.imgur.com/y8Uyfow.png
While there's literally nothing at all here the window is titled "Renegade Officer Assignment". So according to this marauding boffs are defectors... seems to me like the devs don't even know what's going on because no one took the time to sit down and write detailed descriptions and reasoning for anything with regard to these boffs.
So after that I realized I was going about things all wrong and went to what I know... duty officers. The diplomacy/marauding duty officers have fun little quotes that I guess are there to give them a light backstory... I don't know it was probably an afterthought, but they are revealing in some cases:
http://i.imgur.com/JUG1bJT.png
http://i.imgur.com/to2sFav.png
These Orion and Gorn officers seem more than willing to stick it to the Klingons, understandable seeing how they did invade/enslave their people according to STO lore. Now let's look at some KDF marauding duty officer quotes:
http://i.imgur.com/aQ7Atzo.png
Well this Bolian doesn't like the Federation, that was a fairly common statement made with most of these doffs. A few mention they felt like they were free in the KDF, etc... then we have this guy:
http://i.imgur.com/CQqDX7R.png
This kitty wants blood, but is also a very tired kitty :P So are Diplomacy/Marauding doffs and boffs exchange officers, civilians working for the opposite faction, defectors? Well the Federation does have a policy allowing non-aligned species, hence why you see Ferengi running around ESD, so species that have had their planets annexed by the KDF and are forced to fight with them or against them could probably quite easily join the Federation. Now with regards to the Klingon Empire and nonaligned species you kinda reach a grey area, but when you look at Letheans.. they are basically mercenaries in the KDF according to lore, yet they can wear Klingon Uniforms??? So these marauding boffs aren't allowed because they are... not mercenaries?
All I do know is the fact that you can't edit anything on marauding boffs is obviously some kind of bug, if this weren't the case then the edit button in the tailor would be greyed out like it is with Breen/Remans/Etc.
And while you can argue that the Klingons would probably not want any Federation or unaligned species wearing their uniforms.... well I'll just leave these gems here:
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Q65l7RHUx2A/0.jpg
http://doena-journal.net/wp-content/uploads/episodes/ds9/292px-Quark_with_batleth.jpg
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