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firedawn2firedawn2 Member Posts: 4 Arc User
edited July 2014 in The Academy
Hello. I am new to STO and I wish I started playing the game sooner. I am currently a gold member and have started paying 3 month increments. The question I have is should I upgrade to the Lifetime membership this late in the game? 9 Seasons tells me this game has been out for sometime and 199 is quite an investment. My fear is that the game is replaced by a newer version or worse the community drops off. In my current fleet they aren't really progressing because they are rebuilding from previous seasons and some of their members left the game.

I am an avid MMORPG gamer and I understand cycles of rebuilding. However, i want to make sure it's not like WoW... on the way down. So in short, do you think the game will be viable for years to come? If so, in my mind it's worth it. However, if not, paying the 41.97 is fine for a year at 167.00+. If the game will be viable for longer then of course I would pay.

Thanks for helping me. I know you all have been in the community much longer and I am new. I appreciate your input ;)

-firedawn-
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  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I would say the game has at least 1+ years still in itself.

    Right now the devs are preparing the second major expansion which is scheduled for later this year.

    2+ years wouldn't be too unreasonable to assume as well. beyond that point is anybody's guess.
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  • shockwave85shockwave85 Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    If anything STO is on its way up. The first two years were a struggle, but F2P has done wonders for the game. We have a lot more players, and Cryptic is flush with cash and new staff leading to ever more impressive content. If you're subbing monthly now, your LTS would pay off after 14 months. The game will certainly be around that long. More than that though, LTS players get a whole bunch of veteran rewards and other LTS goodies dropped on us right away, which is where the real value is at. Notably:

    Ship, inventory and bank slots on all current and future characters
    Veteran and LTS exclusive costume pieces
    A special shuttle
    A really nice ship on each faction
    Automatic dilithium refinement and the ability to do a Doff assignment for a bit of extra refinement

    There's a ton of value that just gets dropped in your lap right when you sign up, without having to wait for it to "pay itself off" in terms of saving $15/mo. First time you log a character in after signing up for LTS, you will get deluged with notifications about all the stuff you just got.
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  • firedawn2firedawn2 Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Thanks so much for your kind and helpful insights. One more question, I have already paid for the next 3 months. If I did a LTS now, what happens to those 3 months? Did I basically just pay double? Or will I get something from the upgrade?
  • defalusdefalus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    firedawn2 wrote: »
    Thanks so much for your kind and helpful insights. One more question, I have already paid for the next 3 months. If I did a LTS now, what happens to those 3 months? Did I basically just pay double? Or will I get something from the upgrade?

    You'll get nothing extra from the upgrade besides the LTS benefits. :)
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  • nyniknynik Member Posts: 1,628 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I asked myself the same question years ago when I bought in too. People do it for different reasons of course. Nobody can predict the future, so I would say do not become solely swayed by the general sense of progress being made in the game as we go into the 2nd expansion, but think more about the financial side of things.

    Can you afford to write-off that sum of money in one go? If you can, or if you nearly can, then it will make the decision easier given the other benefits a Lifetime Membership provides to the time you spend on this game (especially if you enjoy multiple characters without re-speccing constantly). But if you can not, then perhaps the freedom a monthly subscription offers the best choice for you currently.

    Don't feel pressured by the sale. Make a financially sound decision based on your current and foreseeable circumstances.
  • shockwave85shockwave85 Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Yeah, LTS is forever so it's not like your 3 months get added on to the end or anything, and there's no mechanism I'm aware of to get a discount for monthly subs you've already paid ahead. If you let the sale pass, the LTS will go up to its regular price again, which would lose you more than the $30-45 you're losing in unused monthly subs.
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  • firedawn2firedawn2 Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    nynik wrote: »
    I asked myself the same question years ago when I bought in too. People do it for different reasons of course. Nobody can predict the future, so I would say do not become solely swayed by the general sense of progress being made in the game as we go into the 2nd expansion, but think more about the financial side of things.

    Can you afford to write-off that sum of money in one go? If you can, or if you nearly can, then it will make the decision easier given the other benefits a Lifetime Membership provides to the time you spend on this game (especially if you enjoy multiple characters without re-speccing constantly). But if you can not, then perhaps the freedom a monthly subscription offers the best choice for you currently.

    Don't feel pressured by the sale. Make a financially sound decision based on your current and foreseeable circumstances.
    Thank you very much for your input. It was very helpful. :D
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I paid $15 last week for a one month sub, so I am going to wait until July 9th to pay for the LTS so at least I "feel" like I got my $15 worth... If I only waited 6 days...

    An updated engine for the game would be great since it seems the current engine is being pushed beyond it's limits in PvE missions with a lot of players like Crystalline Catastrophe. The main issue is a lot of weapon fire (both player and enemy) are not being displayed. I know my weapons are firing even though I actually do not seem them because I can hear them fire and I can see my weapon power levels changing and the weapons themselves cycling.

    What's worse is when enemy fire is not being displayed. Yesterday in the elite version, my shield basically dropped from around 75% to 0% and my hull dropped from 100% to around 40% within 5 seconds. There were some Tholians around me and I was probably about 8km away from the Crystalline Entity, but there were no visual indications that I was being attacked other than the drop in shields and hull.
  • policestate76policestate76 Member Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    If anything STO is on its way up. The first two years were a struggle, but F2P has done wonders for the game. We have a lot more players, and Cryptic is flush with cash and new staff leading to ever more impressive content. If you're subbing monthly now, your LTS would pay off after 14 months. The game will certainly be around that long. More than that though, LTS players get a whole bunch of veteran rewards and other LTS goodies dropped on us right away, which is where the real value is at. Notably:

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    Dont think so. STO is on its way DOWN. No, we dont have more players now. In fact a lot of em are just leaving. New staff?? who you talking about?? they will never waste money on hiring new staff.. that is what everybody noticed since years ago. And thats the reason bugs are not fixed and the devs have hands full with anything they try to release. This is the way cryptic thinks and honestly it is a way to keep only rich people and people who wastes a lot of money in the game without even worrying about all the glitches the game has right now. Reasonable people and people with real lifes will be stop playing to find another game or because there is no sense anymore to keep playing a game so screwed up.

    And i dont think the game will be around more than 1 year.

    New people often forgets that there are so many glitches in this game that are increasing week after week and are not being fixed and they are making the game not funny anymore. And im talking about months, even years ago, not for the last few days lol. And people forget that the game engine is so limited that not much can be done right now without messing up everything again. And since cryptic seem to completely ignore this issue..

    So, no, i dont think a LFS is a good idea right now. As the op said, maybe years ago sure, but now.. dont even think on it. The next expansion its probably that it will be the last one, or almost the last one. If things doesnt change.. that is what i am afraid off.
  • blassreiterusblassreiterus Member Posts: 1,294 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Dont think so. STO is on its way DOWN. No, we dont have more players now. In fact a lot of em are just leaving. New staff?? who you talking about?? they will never waste money on hiring new staff.. that is what everybody noticed since years ago. And thats the reason bugs are not fixed and the devs have hands full with anything they try to release. This is the way cryptic thinks and honestly it is a way to keep only rich people and people who wastes a lot of money in the game without even worrying about all the glitches the game has right now. Reasonable people and people with real lifes will be stop playing to find another game or because there is no sense anymore to keep playing a game so screwed up.

    And i dont think the game will be around more than 1 year.

    New people often forgets that there are so many glitches in this game that are increasing week after week and are not being fixed and they are making the game not funny anymore. And im talking about months, even years ago, not for the last few days lol. And people forget that the game engine is so limited that not much can be done right now without messing up everything again. And since cryptic seem to completely ignore this issue..

    So, no, i dont think a LFS is a good idea right now. As the op said, maybe years ago sure, but now.. dont even think on it. The next expansion its probably that it will be the last one, or almost the last one. If things doesnt change.. that is what i am afraid off.
    So, you still try to claim that the game's on the way down... new name but not new point of view... Sorry, but even if it's your opinion, that doesn't mean anything aside from the fact that you seem to still want to claim that people can't make monetary decisions on their own...

    The LTS is an awesome investment.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,441 Community Moderator
    edited June 2014
    Dont think so. STO is on its way DOWN. No, we dont have more players now. In fact a lot of em are just leaving. New staff?? who you talking about?? they will never waste money on hiring new staff.. that is what everybody noticed since years ago. And thats the reason bugs are not fixed and the devs have hands full with anything they try to release. This is the way cryptic thinks and honestly it is a way to keep only rich people and people who wastes a lot of money in the game without even worrying about all the glitches the game has right now. Reasonable people and people with real lifes will be stop playing to find another game or because there is no sense anymore to keep playing a game so screwed up.

    And i dont think the game will be around more than 1 year.

    New people often forgets that there are so many glitches in this game that are increasing week after week and are not being fixed and they are making the game not funny anymore. And im talking about months, even years ago, not for the last few days lol. And people forget that the game engine is so limited that not much can be done right now without messing up everything again. And since cryptic seem to completely ignore this issue..

    So, no, i dont think a LFS is a good idea right now. As the op said, maybe years ago sure, but now.. dont even think on it. The next expansion its probably that it will be the last one, or almost the last one. If things doesnt change.. that is what i am afraid off.

    Another doomsayer. :rolleyes:
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  • jarodroto123jarodroto123 Member Posts: 1,337 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Dont think so. STO is on its way DOWN. No, we dont have more players now. In fact a lot of em are just leaving. New staff?? who you talking about?? they will never waste money on hiring new staff.. that is what everybody noticed since years ago. And thats the reason bugs are not fixed and the devs have hands full with anything they try to release. This is the way cryptic thinks and honestly it is a way to keep only rich people and people who wastes a lot of money in the game without even worrying about all the glitches the game has right now. Reasonable people and people with real lifes will be stop playing to find another game or because there is no sense anymore to keep playing a game so screwed up.

    And i dont think the game will be around more than 1 year.

    New people often forgets that there are so many glitches in this game that are increasing week after week and are not being fixed and they are making the game not funny anymore. And im talking about months, even years ago, not for the last few days lol. And people forget that the game engine is so limited that not much can be done right now without messing up everything again. And since cryptic seem to completely ignore this issue..

    So, no, i dont think a LFS is a good idea right now. As the op said, maybe years ago sure, but now.. dont even think on it. The next expansion its probably that it will be the last one, or almost the last one. If things doesnt change.. that is what i am afraid off.


    Considering how pessimistic all your posts about the game are, im surprised you still play
  • mackermomomackermomo Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    firedawn2 wrote: »
    Thanks so much for your kind and helpful insights. One more question, I have already paid for the next 3 months. If I did a LTS now, what happens to those 3 months? Did I basically just pay double? Or will I get something from the upgrade?

    Hey, I certainly would run that by Cryptic customer service in the subscriptions subsection. In the past dealing with Cryptic was absolutely a waste of time, but I did receive a prompt and quite helpful response just yesterday. Who would have guessed it possible? :eek:

    See if there is any way they could convert your paid subs to Zen. That would be quite nice and save you some money.

    The link below should get you to billing support. Good luck!

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/sign/in/?src=/supportredirect/app/ask&returnTo=ask%2Fp%2F100%2Fc%2F24&error=0
  • policestate76policestate76 Member Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    The LTS is an awesome investment.

    I really admire you guys. Making the op to waste 200€ because you guys cant even say the truth. Lol. I am not used to say bad things about STO, but i really dont like people to scam others to made em believe the game deserves another LFS. These players are the ones who are making the game worst day after day. A LFS is NOT NECESSARY, and its obvious that cryptic doesnt deserve any extra money , since they are not precisely doing a great job so far (and who says the opposite is blind, of course). Of course, now you will say, thats a lie, the game is amazing, blah bla blah, and this is the problem. And its ok, but for god sake dont tell people that a LFS is worthy, i dont know why people cant never be honest in these forums lol, they must be afraid of being banned or something lol.

    We should let cryptic know that we dont give a fxxx about all the wrong things in the game (that is what it seems and you guys are a clear example), and that they can just forget about using money to anything except release new stuff. Well, anyways that is what they are doing so far. But then, dont you dare guys of complain about anything at all, not the most little glitch. Not even costume glitches or graphic glitches. And dont even dare to complain about the lack of interest of the devs to fix the terrible performance of the game. Just "yes" to all, positive comments all the time, and thats it. Thats the way guys, come on!!.

    To the op -> Since i guess you will only hear to these guys, that dont have any idea, go on, and buy a LFS. You will not regret it lol. But seriously, 200$ is far too much money to invest in this game.. but if you are rich, go on. Its your decision, but think twice before you do it.
  • policestate76policestate76 Member Posts: 1,424 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Considering how pessimistic all your posts about the game are, im surprised you still play

    I dont know what you talking about :confused:, i love this game, but the only thing i cant tolerate is people pushing other people to waste so many money in this game. Its absurd. I enjoy this game what i can (but honestly day after day the fun is less and less) but i cant watch how people throw away money, specially in a game like this, when the world is so starving. Its like throwing the money into the trash. Because cryptic will never use that money to improve the experience of the players, only to make more strategies to keep winning more money. You guys will never understand, thats a shame, really.
  • firedawn2firedawn2 Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Thank you for your thoughts and opinions. I will weigh my options a bit longer before I make a decision. Best wishes.

    -firedawn-
  • jarodroto123jarodroto123 Member Posts: 1,337 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I dont know what you talking about :confused:, i love this game, but the only thing i cant tolerate is people pushing other people to waste so many money in this game. Its absurd. I enjoy this game what i can (but honestly day after day the fun is less and less) but i cant watch how people throw away money, specially in a game like this, when the world is so starving. Its like throwing the money into the trash. Because cryptic will never use that money to improve the experience of the players, only to make more strategies to keep winning more money. You guys will never understand, thats a shame, really.

    Go play SWTOR and come back and say that, and that is what i mean by pessimism,

    Definition: the tendency to expect the worst (straight from a dictionary)
  • earwigvr6earwigvr6 Member Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    In my honest an humble opinion I would NOT get the lifetime sub at this point.

    Only those that have rose tinted glasses for this game would suggest it was worth the money.

    Recent additions to this game have been very poor to say the least. New species tend to be annoying rather than challenging and as such the Q's to join them are totally empty. You can spend 30 mins or so waiting to play one of the latest additions.

    There are so many bugs that its now getting unfunny. Large maps such as CE and NWS where there are large numbers of ships are getting laggier and laggier. They never used to be so no idea what has changed.

    Season 9 was a total of around an hour or so playtime with the new missions and nothing more. Something you might expect every few weeks rather than 6 months or so ?

    Players are leaving this game left right and centre. When I first joined only a year or so ago I certainly noticed the difference in the volume of players. There has certainly been a decline, it's plain to see. Many people I used to spend hours each day playing with now log in once a week and then log out again....

    The game needs far more end game content to survive. There is only so much one can take of repeating the exact same thing over and over and over to get omega mks and others that you have 0 use for since you already have all the best gear.

    What might make the game more viable is if the difficulty rating was ramped right up, or the power creep cut in half. I don't want to be doing 20k dps in my escort or 40k dps in my Scimitar..... It makes everything to easy. I should also not be able to level a toon to 50 inside 3-4 days.....

    If it was to take a year or so to build up to a top level toon, then the lifetime might be worth it.

    But as it stands there is not enough content and it's all done far to quickly and easily...
  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    What this game needs is universal marks

    But you have to play new content such as new pve a certain number of times this then would allow people to play how they want and not be forced to play rubbish end game stuff to get marks of a certain type

    Maybe get some fun back into the game
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  • pet1e86pet1e86 Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I remember the same talk when the game first came out. " won't last a year" , " unfinished" , " bugs" etc etc

    4 years later its still going and they still doing expansions.

    As for the LTS, the perks to it are not really worth it IMO, i would much rather spend $200 on zen, buy upgraded bank , inventory space, then lots zen left to buy pretty much anything you want
  • forcemajeureforcemajeure Member Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    If you see a LOT of overly negative dumping by a person or two, you might want to check their other posts and see if they spend all their time whining about the same things.

    Keep in mind that some people hit end-game, then play the same content over and over again that may have a glitch for them, and then complain the game 'is full of bugs'.

    I've never played an MMO that did not have bugs hanging around from 1st year even 3 or 4 years into the game - it's the nature of the beast.

    I play LoTRO, TSW, MWO, others; none of them are bug free. STO for me, runs pretty smoothly with only the occasional crash or glitch (mostly on changing zone load screens).

    I started a free account, then fairly quickly decided there was so much to do and see in this game that it would be worth a life sub. This was about a year ago, paid the full price.

    Haven't regretted it for a second, even when I shift focus to another game for a while.

    As one commenter mentioned, only you know how long you stick with a game and whether $200 is 'in the budget'. For me the fact that I play multiple chars (in any game) stretches out the 'life' of the game for me.

    Given the list of many-year-old games on PWE's menu, I wouldn't assume the game is going away soon.

    As for the sub, you could consider talking to billing or support, cancelling your current sub for a partial refund, then life-subbing. Just make sure you can get it all done it time.
  • jarodroto123jarodroto123 Member Posts: 1,337 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    earwigvr6 wrote: »
    In my honest an humble opinion I would NOT get the lifetime sub at this point.

    Only those that have rose tinted glasses for this game would suggest it was worth the money.

    Recent additions to this game have been very poor to say the least. New species tend to be annoying rather than challenging and as such the Q's to join them are totally empty. You can spend 30 mins or so waiting to play one of the latest additions.

    There are so many bugs that its now getting unfunny. Large maps such as CE and NWS where there are large numbers of ships are getting laggier and laggier. They never used to be so no idea what has changed.

    Season 9 was a total of around an hour or so playtime with the new missions and nothing more. Something you might expect every few weeks rather than 6 months or so ?

    Players are leaving this game left right and centre. When I first joined only a year or so ago I certainly noticed the difference in the volume of players. There has certainly been a decline, it's plain to see. Many people I used to spend hours each day playing with now log in once a week and then log out again....

    The game needs far more end game content to survive. There is only so much one can take of repeating the exact same thing over and over and over to get omega mks and others that you have 0 use for since you already have all the best gear.

    What might make the game more viable is if the difficulty rating was ramped right up, or the power creep cut in half. I don't want to be doing 20k dps in my escort or 40k dps in my Scimitar..... It makes everything to easy. I should also not be able to level a toon to 50 inside 3-4 days.....

    If it was to take a year or so to build up to a top level toon, then the lifetime might be worth it.

    But as it stands there is not enough content and it's all done far to quickly and easily...


    The new species are kind of annoying, but there is no argument that the new FEs are the best quality missions in the game, add the voth ground battlezone and this arguments is over
  • earwigvr6earwigvr6 Member Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    You will also find those that are defending the LTS are the ones who actually have it. They spent a fortune and have to try and defend it in some sort of way.

    I am currently a gold member and have 6 month recurring sub.

    Considering the amount of Zen I have added to this game in the time I played it, I would have been better getting LTS all that time ago. But seeing now how little progress the game has made, how many people have left the game and are no longer playing, at this moment in times it's not right to try and say is worth it when it simply isn't ?

    I cannot understand how when season 9 introduced such a SMALL amount of new content it can be said to be worth it ?

    You really consider a story arc that is completed in less than 1 hour and some STF's that are unplayable due to the lack of interest in them is worthwhile to spend $200 ?

    And the reason why the BZ are as popular as they are is they are a far easier way to get the MK's needed without having to go through the annoying STF missions that were added and are empty...

    Tiny little bugs such as weapons gfx not being shown, tractor beams not being shown are sooo annoying. I cannot see sometimes when I am firing, I cannot see when I am caught in a tractor beam, but if I move the cam they pop back up....But then vanish again.... Really ? This has been going on for months now !

    Surely these basic things should be fixed before anything else ?
  • jarodroto123jarodroto123 Member Posts: 1,337 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    earwigvr6 wrote: »
    You will also find those that are defending the LTS are the ones who actually have it. They spent a fortune and have to try and defend it in some sort of way.

    I am currently a gold member and have 6 month recurring sub.

    Considering the amount of Zen I have added to this game in the time I played it, I would have been better getting LTS all that time ago. But seeing now how little progress the game has made, how many people have left the game and are no longer playing, at this moment in times it's not right to try and say is worth it when it simply isn't ?

    I cannot understand how when season 9 introduced such a SMALL amount of new content it can be said to be worth it ?

    You really consider a story arc that is completed in less than 1 hour and some STF's that are unplayable due to the lack of interest in them is worthwhile to spend $200 ?

    And the reason why the BZ are as popular as they are is they are a far easier way to get the MK's needed without having to go through the annoying STF missions that were added and are empty...

    Tiny little bugs such as weapons gfx not being shown, tractor beams not being shown are sooo annoying. I cannot see sometimes when I am firing, I cannot see when I am caught in a tractor beam, but if I move the cam they pop back up....But then vanish again.... Really ? This has been going on for months now !

    Surely these basic things should be fixed before anything else ?


    for me the Battlezone is one of the funnest places in the entire game with a decent team. I have had Lifetime for exactly two days (birthday gift) and have been defending it since long before that.

    What i consider to be worth $200 is the following:

    A free 2000 zen ship on every character (6 toons=$120 saved)
    3 free vet destroyers (assuming you use three pack prices=$50)
    3 free small craft ($15)
    4 respecs per toon (@6 toons=$120) plus one free per level for new toons.
    2 Free ship slots
    4 character slots
    account bank
    ec cap increase
    more inventory and bank slots
    automatic refining
    extra 1000 refined per 2 days/character
    priority login if the queues ever hit again
    Android BOFF for every toon

    even without adding the slots,bank and EC cap you are looking at $200 for $305 in stuff (33% savings)

    Season 9 had plenty of content, its just that they botched the rewards for the Undine Space Battlezone. Also the way things are working now, seasons arent as big as you have an X.5 update in between each, seems to be trending towards X.5 being a new/updated system
  • jarodroto123jarodroto123 Member Posts: 1,337 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    earwigvr6 wrote: »
    You will also find those that are defending the LTS are the ones who actually have it. They spent a fortune and have to try and defend it in some sort of way.

    I am currently a gold member and have 6 month recurring sub.

    Considering the amount of Zen I have added to this game in the time I played it, I would have been better getting LTS all that time ago. But seeing now how little progress the game has made, how many people have left the game and are no longer playing, at this moment in times it's not right to try and say is worth it when it simply isn't ?

    I cannot understand how when season 9 introduced such a SMALL amount of new content it can be said to be worth it ?

    You really consider a story arc that is completed in less than 1 hour and some STF's that are unplayable due to the lack of interest in them is worthwhile to spend $200 ?

    And the reason why the BZ are as popular as they are is they are a far easier way to get the MK's needed without having to go through the annoying STF missions that were added and are empty...

    Tiny little bugs such as weapons gfx not being shown, tractor beams not being shown are sooo annoying. I cannot see sometimes when I am firing, I cannot see when I am caught in a tractor beam, but if I move the cam they pop back up....But then vanish again.... Really ? This has been going on for months now !

    Surely these basic things should be fixed before anything else ?

    and on the bugs, the people making content and the people fixing bugs arent the same people, and are not transferable. And bug that are gamewide are VERY HARD to track down and tracking them down doesnt mean that you know right away how to fix it.
  • jaitillisjaitillis Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Unfortunately, I am limited from posting because I am apparently too new, so I hope no one minds my intruding into this similar thread.

    I too am a recent (obviously) subscriber considering the LTS option. My big concern is that I just hit Captain +5 and I've been playing only for a week and a half. The most alluring thing to me is the storyline quests, and I'm highly concerned that if I can run through the three factions' stories in a month, I'll then be left with very little to do.

    Unfortunately, I've been searching to see what I can do at max level, but trying to find answers has been an exercise in futility. So the question I have is simply is there 14 months worth of content to go through to make the LTS worth it? What awaits me once I hit top level and finish the existing storyline?
  • earwigvr6earwigvr6 Member Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Pretty much nothing awaits you if I am honest....

    You get one story addition every 6 months or so worth about an hour of your time and that is all.

    You are stuck in an endless grind of doing the same STF missions over and over and over as most of the Queues are empty as nobody wants to play them.

    If you like stories and such the foundry is a great place for you, but these are player made stories and have nothing to do with cryptic. The players themselves add more playability to this game that the devs themselves which is a very sad thing to say :-(

    As for bugs, I know they are different teams that deal with them but some of them are so simple and have been around for such a long time now that it's getting beyond a joke that they still exist.

    Little things like these....

    Weapons fire does not show up half the time.

    Tractor beams do not show up.

    STILL ! no kit module section in the exchange ? Can this be REALLY that hard to add ?

    I still have to reasign all my Doffs to some of my ships as they refuse to save when I select the save option

    Some tray items still do not stay either.

    To activate skills and powers I sometimes have to click on them several times or more. The box whites out for a split second as though it's activating and going into CD... But then reverts back to normal again ?

    These are only some of the smaller bugs that I can recall from playing today alone and all things that should be VERY easy fixes/additions to the game.

    If they spent less time revamping older missions to make them look prettier ? Or consolidating storylines to make them even shorter, or restyling ESD or adding these stupid summer events which is the SAME every year ! And spent more time fixing little bugs, adding polish to the game then less people would leave, more people would play and the game would go from strength to strength.

    And then,,,,, I could recommend a LTS and I would even likely take one out myself :D
  • adverberoadverbero Member Posts: 2,045 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    I'm going to be honest, Unless you are dead set on getting the LTS veteran rewards like the ships and uniforms I wouldn't go for the subscription

    By all means support the game with you money, But I seriously think $200 is a bit of a commitment to a game ( I'm not a doomsayer, I really do like this game and its recent changes, but you really can't tell what will happen 14 months from now can you?)

    And since its gone free to play its kind of easier in my opinion to play for free, and buy the services you do want from the store as and when you want them.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    jaitillis wrote: »
    Unfortunately, I am limited from posting because I am apparently too new, so I hope no one minds my intruding into this similar thread.

    I too am a recent (obviously) subscriber considering the LTS option. My big concern is that I just hit Captain +5 and I've been playing only for a week and a half. The most alluring thing to me is the storyline quests, and I'm highly concerned that if I can run through the three factions' stories in a month, I'll then be left with very little to do.

    Unfortunately, I've been searching to see what I can do at max level, but trying to find answers has been an exercise in futility. So the question I have is simply is there 14 months worth of content to go through to make the LTS worth it? What awaits me once I hit top level and finish the existing storyline?



    This is my 1st MMO ever, and based on your question it seems to be yours as well. Let me just say that there is no MMO out there (to the best of my knowledge) that is going to give you fresh new content to play every single day. Even MMOs that are strictly subscription based do not have that budget. If your sole intent is to simply play through the content, then you will be more or less be done with all the current content within 4 - 6 months assuming you play all three faction and you play the game relatively consistently.

    After the story missions are done there is basically "end game content". This can be considered a grind fest because what you are doing is grinding away for marks and other item drops from some of the elite STF (Space Task Force if I am not mistaken); an example would be a Borg BNP (Borg Neural Processor). These are used in the reputation system for better gear for your ship. This is completely optional; you do not need rep gear to complete any missions in the game except for a few of elite STF missions because they were made to be extremely difficult. Examples would be "No Win Scenario" and "The Breach Elite".

    You can also continue to play the game to get better quality Duty Offcers (Doffs) for your ship. Again, the Doff system and missions are completely optional. You do not need to have any Doffs at all. However, Doff missions to add a nice mix of missions you can assign to your crew that rewards with experience and sometime commodities and gear. Ranking up the various commendation levels in te Doff system does provide you with some rewards as well like higher quality Doffs.

    Generally speaking new content comes out every 6 month as a "season". Currently STO is in season 9. I started playing at the end of Jan 2014 which was season 8.5. It seems prior to season 8.5 a new season meant a few new story missions; among other things. However, currently each new season only offers one new "episode" or story mission and some multi-player missions that ties into that single story mission. If you do not grind / go after the reputation system, then quite literally you can play through all the new content in just a matter of days. Again, there are no MMOs out there that adds daily content to the best of my knowledge.

    Expansion 2 is coming out sometime this year. If it is anything remotely similar to Expansion 1, the Legacy of Romulus, then it should add a lot of free content to the game. However, I do not read the development blogs so I cannot say what might be part of that content. A popular phrase is:

    "Reading is OP, please nerf".
    OP = over powered

    For you, I recommend you do not purchase the LTS now. Just continue to play STO and determine for yourself if that is something you want to spend money on later when it goes on sale again. I think someone stated in a different thread that LTS generally goes on sale twice per year. At worse you need to wait 1 year though. If you decide that "end game" is not for you and you no longer want to continuously create different toons to play STO differently, then it's time to take a break or simply stop playing all together. At which point you will not have sunk $199.99 (or whatever currency) into a game that you think is no longer worth playing.

    Even if you really like the game and you do not mind buying the LTS, I highly recommend that you read though all the benefits you get as a LTS player. Keep in mind that you can play STO without having to spend any money whatsoever. All missions are free to play, all mission based content in Expansion 2 will be free to play. The only thing you need to spend money are on optional things that are not required in order to play STO. Example are costumes and more importantly ships. There are no missions that requires you to purchase a ship from the C-Store in order to play them.

    STO can be played totally for free. Never loose sight of that. However, if you believe the perks you get when you purchase the LTS is worth the price you pay, then by all means do so if you wish.
  • jaitillisjaitillis Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    No, my friend, not even close to my first. I have, however, long since burned out on the raid grind common to most MMOs and was truly unable to find any decent listing of content at top level.

    When I said months worth of content, I didn't mean fresh new content all the time, that's never going to happen on any budget. Though the foundry is about as close as we'll ever get. What I meant was the various timesinks and whether they were interesting. STFs, for example. I was able to find out they exist, but not really anything about them.

    I can fairly safely assume each player brings their ship and it's basically a multiplayer story mission. Unfortunately, though, that means I have little to no desire to actually play those. Not for any reason other than it feels untrue to the IP. You rarely see any multiple ship battles in Star Trek, the whole focus was on the crew coming together, not fleets of ships battling. If they made it where your party was the crew of a single ship and the away team, I'd be interested.

    The draws for the LTS for me are obviously the stipend, the reward ships, and the extra character/inventory slots. The rest of it is fairly blah.
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