How would a Miranda pet work?

rickdanko

I can understand a shuttle as a pet, but shuttles were built to land and support their own weight in a gravity environment. Miranda's weren't.

So if there was a bay for the Miranda frigate, would it be resting on the floor on it's nacelles?

I suppose you could keep it in a shuttle bay with no gravity, but then the crew would have a hard time getting aboard the Miranda when they needed to.

Sure, the Miranda crew could do a bulk beam in, but that takes energy, which would probably be at a premium in the middle of a battle.

peetapipmac

I think the zero G hanger works, just with a grav-plated gang plank.

reginamala78

Or it wouldn't actually dock inside the ship. Rather the mothership serves as a command ship, supply depot, and assists with repairs, like a mobile starbase as part of a squadron, with the small ships transiting under their own power alongside. BoPs and Fer'jai don't look like they'd actually fit inside their respective carriers, so why would a hypothetical Centaur have to worry about it?

hravik

Docking arm and hull clamps.

angrytarg

Mirandas are cruisers, they are starships in their own right. They wouldn't dock anywhere and be "carried". Just like the BoPs who aren't carried either they would be called in by their command vessel like reginamala78 said. Everything else doesn't make sense.

warmaker001b

OP, in a game where everyone has a chance to:

Fly Species 8472 ships
Fly Dominion ships
Fly any non-Faction ships, period
Use Thalaron weapons
Play a Starfleet that is nothing at all like in the TV shows & movies
Go on a mission for Starfleet to have you kill innocent doctors and medical researchers, even after they're begging for their lives.
Play as Hippie Romulans

... and you're worried how a Starfleet designed ship can be used by Starfleet? :rolleyes:

noblet

Is Cryptic going to add a Miranda pet? Aquarius or Defiant would have made more sense.

ltdata96

noblet wrote: »

Is Cryptic going to add a Miranda pet? Aquarius or Defiant would have made more sense.

The Aquarius is perfect for this issue, it's pretty small even compared to a Defiant.
Edit: The Aquarius is also one of the few Starfleet designs (and definitely the only Frigate/Escort design) that was actually designed to operate from a hangar- /docking bay.

To the Mirandas, why would you launch those from a hangar? They were already outdated before the Dominion war (in which they were only used as cannon fodder). And they are way too big. And you don't want to build a hangar for a ship that's underperforming for the current standards anyways.

desertjets

Ditto on the Miranda et al being too big to be frigate pets. If the feds get a full fledged non-kitty carrier with frigates and has low-mid-high options I think it should be some combo of the Aquarius, Saber and/or Defiant -- though I don't think the Defiant should be a pet.

jaguarskx

Meh...

Just make a model Miranda for ground combat. It can buzz around your head like a drone.

noblet

desertjets wrote: »

Ditto on the Miranda et al being too big to be frigate pets. If the feds get a full fledged non-kitty carrier with frigates and has low-mid-high options I think it should be some combo of the Aquarius, Saber and/or Defiant -- though I don't think the Defiant should be a pet.

Why not? There's the bug pet.:cool:

ltdata96

noblet wrote: »

Why not? There's the bug pet.:cool:

The Miranda is about 200-250m in length, and the bug is smaller than a defiant (~150m), so i wouildn't compare a Miranda to a bug

raptor63549

So don't carry the miranda. Have it show a warp in animation when deployed.

noblet

ltdata96 wrote: »

The Miranda is about 200-250m in length, and the bug is smaller than a defiant (~150m), so i wouildn't compare a Miranda to a bug

I was replying to his comment about the defiant. That's what quote is for.

admiralq1732

Defiant is too powerful to be a Frigate pet. so Miranda or sabre

angrytarg

raptor63549 wrote: »

So don't carry the miranda. Have it show a warp in animation when deployed.

This. Actually, all carriers should work like this when not using shuttles. And shuttles shouldn't last ten seconds against a starship. So, the most sensible solution would be to change all carriers into command ships with an deploy-able escort of frigates/raiders and change al shuttles into gimmick abilities. It would make much more sense.

ltdata96

noblet wrote: »

I was replying to his comment about the defiant. That's what quote is for.

Problem is you quoted the Miranda part of the post as well...

Anyways, nvm then

doffingcomrade

Miranda pets would fly next to you in formation and attract aggro, blowing up impressively next to you so you can look awesome. Didn't you see how this worked on the show?

desertjets

The Saber is pretty tiny, almost Defiant sized. A fair bit smaller than the Miranda variants. But I say no to the idea of a Defiant pet because it was a hero ship and it doesn't feel fitting to have it popped out of a carrier to be eaten alive.

angrytarg

desertjets wrote: »

The Saber is pretty tiny, almost Defiant sized. A fair bit smaller than the Miranda variants. But I say no to the idea of a Defiant pet because it was a hero ship and it doesn't feel fitting to have it popped out of a carrier to be eaten alive.

The USS Defiant was a hero ship and she got destroyed as well. The Defiant class was a concept for an "expendable" escort ship, similiar to a B'Rel BoP. Originally designed to fight Borg (the only reason for the pulse phasers ("cannons" in STO) was a fast rotating frequewncy to avoid adaptation) but mothballed and later reactivated to act as an interceptor/defensive platform for space stations the class is really not what a lot of fans make of her.

I think her unique purpose is indeed to be able to be docked at stations and serve as a mobile defense. As a starship, the Defiant as a frigate is outperformed by the Sabre or Norway classes, possibly even by the Miranda successor Steamrunner.

But I don't think the Defiant would make a good "hangar pet" ( :rolleyes: ) - if any, Cryptic's Aquarius would be the best for the job. I would prefer to not see a full Starfleet carrier. Instead, the ship should feature one or two separatable Aquarius class pets.

noblet

edalgo wrote: »

Well the Miranda and Saber are truly independent starships.

The Aquarius and Defiant are smaller and less capable of long term missions. They also are smaller and have landing struts. Much easier to stow.

Defiant pets don't have to be OP. Just make them similar to the JHAS pets off the JemDread.

Exactly. Pets don't have to be the same as player ship. To say Defiant is too strong to be a pet is like saying Bug ship has lower stats than Defiant.