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daflapindaflapin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited June 2014 in The Academy
Just a little help here please

I've been grinding dilithium, bought a new weapon and sheild but I'm getting my derriere hand to me.

Any advice to a complete noob on what to do once you hit 50?
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  • varthelmvarthelm Member Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    without knowing what you're flying, how it's fit, Bridge officers, duty officers it would be hard to give advice.

    Assuming PVE, high quality gear is nice but STF's and such can be run with generic blues and free options from episodes and such quite competently. In short, what type of stuff you are using is more important than the quality. Once you have a solid gameplan, then quality gear can take you to the next level of effectiveness.

    I'd suggest doing some online research into how others built their ships, but not just copy what others did...look for why they did it and see if it fits how you want to fly.

    Oh...unless you're talking ground..but still some of the same applies. Ground is often tougher though.

    Good luck :)
  • daflapindaflapin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Thanks for the info. Sounds like I'll be studying hard on how to get better
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Generally it depends on what you are playing.

    If you are playing elite STF missions, then it is understandable that you are getting creamed because the difficulty has been increased for season 9. In a way it is good because it makes those mission more challenging. I blow up a bit more often now than in season 8.5, but that's okay since I like the challenge.

    The ship I fly only has equipment that can be obtained from the main mission and on the Exchange for 200k ECs or less (sometimes less than half that).
  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Check your Traits tab. If you haven't slotted any then your life will be a bit harder than if you did. And did you spend all of your available Skill Points?


    Now that you're 50 it's time to start grinding the reputations. You'll get some of the better gear and traits in the game from there. It's your choice which to tackle first but many people will recommend the Omega rep first since it has good gear and you'll probably be doing a lot of STFs at end-game anyway.

    Until you get that good reputation gear, you should consider picking up the Solanae or Jem'Hadar sets from the story missions to hold you over. They're very good for free sets.
    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Episode_replay

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  • grouchyotakugrouchyotaku Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    daflapin wrote: »
    Thanks for the info. Sounds like I'll be studying hard on how to get better

    One of the things you can do is to find a nice Fleet to join. The better Fleets can provide lots of good experience and advice to a new player, as well as other perks...
  • kapla1755kapla1755 Member Posts: 1,249
    edited June 2014
    daflapin wrote: »
    Just a little help here please

    I've been grinding dilithium, bought a new weapon and sheild but I'm getting my derriere hand to me.

    Any advice to a complete noob on what to do once you hit 50?

    If you are asking about ground you can PM in game and I can see if I can help out some as ground sfts are my preference.

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  • daflapindaflapin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Check your Traits tab. If you haven't slotted any then your life will be a bit harder than if you did. And did you spend all of your available Skill Points?


    Now that you're 50 it's time to start grinding the reputations. You'll get some of the better gear and traits in the game from there. It's your choice which to tackle first but many people will recommend the Omega rep first since it has good gear and you'll probably be doing a lot of STFs at end-game anyway.

    Until you get that good reputation gear, you should consider picking up the Solanae or Jem'Hadar sets from the story missions to hold you over. They're very good for free sets.
    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Episode_replay

    Thanks for that! That is some great help
  • daflapindaflapin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    One of the things you can do is to find a nice Fleet to join. The better Fleets can provide lots of good experience and advice to a new player, as well as other perks...

    Even though i'm a LTS, I play this SUPER casually. I really don't want to disappoint other people
  • daflapindaflapin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Thank you everyone for helping me out! I really appreciate it
  • tardes13tardes13 Member Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    You don't say if your problem is ground, space or both.

    Part of your problem is that the game increases the difficulty of your enemies as you level.

    In any case, you need to choose your gear carefully. For space, read this:

    http://hilbertguide.com/

    If you still have problems after that, come back on forums with a more targeted approach, ask and learn strategy for a specific stf or type of missions.

    On STFs, look at your team mates and try to learn from what they're doing.

    Umm ... and stay away from your enemies. This is a general advice. Until you figure out what's happening, run a lot and hit if you can.

    Not rocket science to use evasive maneuvers. Probably better than being dead.

    At the core of your problem seems to be that you keep betting on the fact that your enemies will die before you do. And losing that bet ...
  • drazursouthclawdrazursouthclaw Member Posts: 223 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    daflapin wrote: »
    Even though i'm a LTS, I play this SUPER casually. I really don't want to disappoint other people

    As long as you make both of those things clear, a casual-friendly fleet shouldn't have a problem. I joined my fleet ages ago and have, to this day - after nearly two years, still only done 5 STFs.

    (STFs are the endgame multiplayer missions you have do to earn the stuff to buy the borg-related gear, if you didn't know. Stands for 'Special Task Force'.)

    I have BARELY had to change my single-player, no-good-equipment-having, don't-always-want-to-chat ways.

    Just don't join a hardcore guild and you should be fine. If not, you can leave and try another fleet! Over and over and over again, until you find one that fits.

    If you're considering a fleet, ask them what your responsibilities will be. Mine said: "Not much. Just log in with at least one character from your account within every 2 weeks, and you should be fine."

    Not exactly the "You must do at least 5 STFs with at least 3 other fleetmates per day, and donate at least 50% of your EC to the fleet starbase projects, and also don't ever be rude on chat and don't mouth off in the forums" that I was expecting.

    Another thing, too - make sure you're in the right fleet for you before you start throwing resources at the fleet starbase projects - if you're in the position of wanting to leave, many fleets will not give you a refund, of any measure. Which is fair enough, I reckon.

    In any case, best luck with it, and welcome to the game! :D
  • breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    daflapin wrote: »
    Thanks for the info. Sounds like I'll be studying hard on how to get better

    These are a few of the handier links I keep on my favorites list for reference or just plain tinkering:

    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Main_Page
    For information on the actual items(Space and Ground), sets, doffs, boff abilities, captain traits, etc that you can use to set up your ship. You can also look at a breakdown of how the skill ranks affect your performance, and check out what ships you can get.

    http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/search.php
    Lets you search what other players have tried out and built. Includes information on payload, skill points, traits, etc. Also allows you to set up your own mock-ups so that you can plan out what you want to grind for, if you don't want to use someone else's setup.

    https://home.comcast.net/~amicus/Skill%20Point%20Effects.htm
    A quick table of the various Space skills and how they actually affect your abilities. Note: The listed DR%'s for the Armor skills assume no other sources of DRM, which is unlikely to be the case and overstates the benefits. Not perfect, but useful nonetheless.

    I added a few sub-categories to what I copy/pasted from a response I'd posted elsewhere, but those are useful if you really want to do your homework ;)

    Creating a mock-up of your build in the Skillplanner is handy for getting advice or feedback if you are interested. Even if you don't want to post it here or in the Builds, Powers, and Game Mechanics section, you can always use the link you get when saving a mock-up to ask Fleetmates for advice. As previously mentioned, there are Fleets out there built for casual or even teaching purposes, which is definitely a good place to start.
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  • deianirrahdeianirrah Member Posts: 236 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Until you get that good reputation gear, you should consider picking up the Solanae or Jem'Hadar sets from the story missions to hold you over. They're very good for free sets.
    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Episode_replay
    And to chime in on that, a shameless plug to my own thread that might be useful in addition to the already very good advice given by the other players:

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=998011

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  • daflapindaflapin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Once again, thank you very much. This is a great community!
  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    u may as well check out the sticky threads in the pvp-subforum.
  • knightdmosaic170knightdmosaic170 Member Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    From my own Experience, I'll say this.

    Rep's:
    While people are going to say do the Omega rep first, don't. If you can't hang in simple stuff the Borg will rip you apart. Start out with Nukara and Romulan Rep's. The daily Rom patrol and CE/CEE are Easy marks and don't require any build that's hard core. Plus, with the easier rep system it's decent if not slow dilithium. You can also get the Nukara Particle Converter and Rom Zero Point Energy console at tier 2 on both which will help allot in an early build.

    Otherwise, save your Dilithium, put it up and use it on those two console's first. The Nukara one especially if your going beams. When it comes to Omega, and my logic, I am not going in unless I can contribute usefully. At the time you have those two console's you should have decent enough gear to to put up a decent fight. Not a great one, but a useful one. Then work the Omega rep. Do the Omega Rep as you feel more comfortable with your ship build and skills.



    Market Gear:
    While you can use the gear you picked up, it will be at random. Invest some EC on the market for gear. Doing the Romulan Daily Patrol and a Foundry Farming Mission once a day will fetch you a decent amount of EC. My word of advice is buy Tetryon. Yes, I know people are going to say it's bad. However, it's dirt cheap and easy to get blue and purple level gear. You run a farming mission and daily patrol you'll pull in at least a million a day. This will get you some Rare/Blue Tetryon Cannon/Array's easy. The Tetryon weapon's and Tac Console's are a place holder until you can get the gear you want to get. Mark XII Rare Tetryon Beam Array's are more useful than Common Mark XI Phaser Beam Array's.

    Plus, with the new rep system you always have a small chance of getting a Rom Plasma are Tetryon ship weapon from the boxes. Which ever one you choose, save it or equip it. Free Purple XI Rom Plasma is good when you don't have access to fleet gear and high end stuff. So, run cheap Tetryon for awhile, plan your build and save up for the future. If neither of those work for you, run sphere of Influence for the Antiproton Beam Arrays and Omni Directional. All you'll have to buy is Antiproton Tac Console's which at Common level or cheap.



    Experiment:
    I am not going to point you in the direction of reading something. Mainly because what works for me might not work for you. This game allows for vast option's and tactic's. Don't get locked into someone else's build logic. So, I'll say this. Don't be afraid to blow up. Experiment with different ship's, abilities, and gear. Find something that works for "YOU." While a ship's weapon's, BOFF layout, abilities, and console's may work for another. You may just find that you struggle twice as hard and blow up just as much.

    By just trying out different methods of blowing things up in this game you'll learn what abilities work for you, what BOFF layout's work for you, and just how squishy or how slow you want to be in combat. (A reason why to start with the Rom and Nukara Rep's first. They are more forgiving than the Borg and the people that you may play with.) I am not saying don't read up on others build's. Do so and learn from it. However, your going to want to play in combat your own way. So, don't be afraid to take a risk.



    PvE Queue's:
    Short and simple thing I learned quick early on. If you feel your not ready or your ship isn't don't do it. Don't go stumbling into Infected Conduit Elite without a clue doing no damage. I don't care if the Optional Fails. However, there is a hateful group of people out their that won't hesitate to let you know what a giant newb you are if you go blasting the gate or focusing on sphere's only to die ten seconds later. Then come back and blow up all over. So, I shall lay down the things I do when I was new to any Queue/STF.

    1. YouTube: Their are lots of video's on YouTube of someone running which ever one you may be interested in. Look it up, watch it a few times and get an idea of what to expect.

    2. Guide's: If Visual is confusing you can always read up on one. STO Academy has walkthrough's and other site's as well. Google a Queue and you'll find a walkthrough for it. I always found them very useful before I dived in.

    3. Follow a Player: When I started any new STF or other Queue I followed the best player or player's. I'd fire my weapon's, do what damage I could and help them out. If you still don't have a complete clue, follow someone a second time. Learn the pattern of PvE action your in by following people that do it daily. If you've read up on it or looked it up as well it will be an even better help.

    4. Don't be afraid to fail: The first run of anything you do is going to be bad. Your going to blow up and if your doing an Elite it's going to be often. Your probably going to even get some hateful words every now and then. Don't let it get you down. Keep running it. You'll get better with each time that you do.



    Free Ship Gear:
    People praise the Borg set. Good for them. However, since your having trouble just surviving that is a distant dream. Free gear is your ticket to taking a better beating. Like someone mentioned down below, with link provided, Solanae or Jem'Hadar set's are very good. Solanae is great. I ran it for quite awhile on my Fed. Plus, if you run Sphere of Influence enough you can have Antiproton Beam Array's, Omni Directional, and a nice warp core. Another nice hold over combo if you don't want to waste money on the Market.




    Otherwise, all I can say is find a good social fleet and don't get caught up in the DPS Race. The first, a good fleet, can help you in any way you can imagine. Provide answer's to your question's, give advice, and help you run some PvE Queue's. It also give's you a reason to keep playing. Not to just donate stuff but to also just talk to someone. What's not more fun than playing PvP, fighting a losing battle, and laughing it up the entire time in fleet chat? This game will get boring. Eventually your going to want to talk to someone.

    The second, DPS Chasing, is a quick way to hating the game. I did it on my second character and ended up hating her. I always wanted better number's to the point the game was no fun. So, I deleted her. I also deleted along with her a full array of Fleet Phaser Beam Array's, Fleet Excelsior, Fleet Console's, and Borg set. I don't regret it. However, I lost allot of work. Aim to contribute and be useful in anything you do in a group. Having high DPS is good. However, don't get caught up in the number's. My Romulan Engineer in a Mirror Dhelan can pull 6'000 to 7'000 and take a beating as much as she give's. The build isn't finished; however, I'm at a good spot. Sure, the number's will get higher as I add on but it's not my focus. I can pull my weight in anything I enter. That's really the only mindset you need. Be able to pull your weight in a group. If you can do that your good.
  • jarodroto123jarodroto123 Member Posts: 1,337 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    daflapin wrote: »
    Even though i'm a LTS, I play this SUPER casually. I really don't want to disappoint other people

    Thats really no problem, if you do want to join a fleet for help/having people to talk to/perks and not have to play an amount of time or all, and contribute however little you want you can contact me ingame @jardroto123 or my first officer @commanderdecius for an invite to my fleet Undine Task Force. *end recruitment speech about how i like to help people* :D
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Make sure you understand defensive BO skills. Tactical team, shield and hull heals are huge. Resist all armors help when getting started. Power levels are huge... shield regens faster, weapons do more damage, science powers work better with aux, engines get you in and out of the fight.

    Tactics matter too. Slapping a bunch of aoe 360 beam arrays on an ungeared ship, flying up the middle and opening up a can on 30 NPCs is a good way to die. You can't do that yet. Try dual beam banks or cannons and focus fire one at a time, or only aoe once its "safe". A big gravity well can make 20 things mad too, once they escape it, or if you are in range trying to aoe them and they are all shooting back.... Focus fire one ship, when its about to blow, GW it and let its explosion hit the others... much safer. If you are low, get out of range (use evasive and do a 360 at full burn, get out, heal, come back in). Use GW to destroy enemy missiles; many are invisible and can one-shot anyone on a crit, esp borg cubes. Dont sit in the enemy GW/whatever, or boss aoe bombs like crystal or scimitar green nuke. Keep moving, going slow or stopping under fire is bad.

    Practice... set your game difficulty to max and do some solo content, like the daily romulan mark fight missions. When those are no longer a risk to you, you are good enough to handle elite STFs.
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited June 2014
    daflapin wrote: »
    Just a little help here please

    I've been grinding dilithium, bought a new weapon and sheild but I'm getting my derriere hand to me.

    Any advice to a complete noob on what to do once you hit 50?


    the main thing add romulan -threat consoles in your science console slots...........most of the people aroud you are thats why you are drawing the agro and dying
    Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
    Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
    Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng

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