Cryptic please reduce the prices on the rep stuff !!!
Almost gut a nightmare from missions chasing me waaaah, no serious.
It's fine that you removed the Mark X and XI and that we keep the Mark XII from the rep system but then reduce the prizes also !!!
Undine Groundshield 500 Undine Marks 9000 Dilithium 40.000 EC
An Undine console 750 Undine Marks I believe over 10.000 Dilithium and a lot of EC
This is just Crazy and if your team is fast enough you maybe get 150 Mark per RUN.
If you're Unlucky and the team is to slow you maybe get 35 Marks
So I ask you please reduce the prices I don't mind reps but this is just stupid !!!
Also the Dilithium Exchange whats the meaning with that why in earths name this is so High ?
:mad:
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
That actually sounds less than the other reps in terms of dilithium costs. Doesn't phase me though, I'mma dillionaire....no...not really, but with over 100k dil across 5 characters, doesn't sound so bad.
iI basically solved issue by quitting the game, they literally out did themselves with the worst season they could possibly come up with. yes thats right cryptic, you have gotten all th money your going to get from me or my time eventually maybe the rest of the suckers will catch on, but im done with sto have been almost a month now. SO LONG SUCKERS.
I have to disagree. I think that the costs involved in the rep gear is pretty much spot on. It's meant to be end game gear, not something you pick up very quickly. It should take more effort to get the high end stuff.
That said, it's already pretty easy to get and it really doesn't take much time. A few days/weeks of casual play to get end game gear is pretty relaxed. I used to play FFXI where several people I knew played hardcore for 5 years and never finished an end game set. What we have now is pretty damn good.
Personally, I think the mark costs are a little high/ too few marks seem to be given for basically anything other than the Omega STFs, the dil rewards with omega helps as well. Just seems to make other missions not worth the effort.
The recent daily bump helps. And it seems they agree to some extent with the boost to Romulan marks which are coming.
It's not that hard, honest! I've been playing the Undine rep since it first started. I'm partway through Tier 4, building up enough Marks to get the last of the weapon/console 4-part set and getting the Warp Core.
The only thing that needs a real bump is the Romulan marks and that's tomorrow.
iI basically solved issue by quitting the game, they literally out did themselves with the worst season they could possibly come up with. yes thats right cryptic, you have gotten all th money your going to get from me or my time eventually maybe the rest of the suckers will catch on, but im done with sto have been almost a month now. SO LONG SUCKERS.
lol, yet you're still here...lurking...waiting for that moment when you can jump up and say "I QUIT!"
Either the forums are really really interesting or you're slightly obsessed.
I will agree that I don't like that they did away with the lower tier sets for reps.
But dil? I cant process the stuff fast enough. This game is raining dil.
Agreed, I can easily get more dil ore than can be refined per day. There have been times I've just topped even trying to get dil ore because I have so much of it I could spend the next month doing nothing but refining ore each day and not run out of ore to refine.
Most of my toons except my new science are at T5 on all reps but Undine, on Undine one is at T4 and about 22k points from T5 (the other two have thousands of marks saved up, but I'm justing waiting to start them when I can get the sponsorship tokens for it from my one about to reach T5). And of coure once you've maxed a rep out, it tends to become a dil farm, so at this point in time all the space mark and procs/implants/whatever on my Rom/Borg/Nukara/Dyson just turns to dil.... heck one pass going through KSE, CSE, and ISE already gets you enough marks to convert 4k worth of dil ore. Pop off and fo a Dyson ground run and you can pass the 8k point.
Cryptic please reduce the prices on the rep stuff !!!
Almost gut a nightmare from missions chasing me waaaah, no serious.
It's fine that you removed the Mark X and XI and that we keep the Mark XII from the rep system but then reduce the prizes also !!!
Undine Groundshield 500 Undine Marks 9000 Dilithium 40.000 EC
An Undine console 750 Undine Marks I believe over 10.000 Dilithium and a lot of EC
This is just Crazy and if your team is fast enough you maybe get 150 Mark per RUN.
If you're Unlucky and the team is to slow you maybe get 35 Marks
So I ask you please reduce the prices I don't mind reps but this is just stupid !!!
Also the Dilithium Exchange whats the meaning with that why in earths name this is so High ?
:mad:
I agree, also the refine limit drives me crazy ... 1 piece of gear can cost up to 36000 dilithium ( refined ) ... but i can only refine 8k a day... so even if i farmed my a$$ off i still need to wait ages due to the refine... so can we either get a reduce of price OR let us use ORE to buy reputation gear...
i understand the refine limit because of ZEN exchange.. but please let us use dilithium ORE for Reputation and Fleet projects.... its so sick...i have plenty of ore and can use it somewhen in the future only for my projects....
"Timegating" passes for content in STO, just so you know
The PVE in the game isn't difficult, lacking depth. Timegating is used to make you play longer and make it seem like there's more to do, when there actually isn't.
Dil refining, timegating of missions and instances, etc.
All designed to slow you down, all designed to stretch everything out with the same content.
I have to disagree. I think that the costs involved in the rep gear is pretty much spot on. It's meant to be end game gear, not something you pick up very quickly. It should take more effort to get the high end stuff.
That said, it's already pretty easy to get and it really doesn't take much time. A few days/weeks of casual play to get end game gear is pretty relaxed. I used to play FFXI where several people I knew played hardcore for 5 years and never finished an end game set. What we have now is pretty damn good.
i will admit that cryptic was nice enough to give us the reputation hourly boxes(and also the daily ones from leveling the rep) which can give good stuff, even through they tend to give ground weapons more often than not, but if you do them long enough, you not only get a bit of dil, you can also get a full setup(maybe not the best of the best, but still pretty great for something that is virtually free).
i do however believe they should lower the prices on the dil store MK XI weapons(since they're no longer optimal by far, considering rep MK XII and fleet stuff), and also lower the space set price, we're getting WAAAAY too many space sets IMO, but the price remains the same(and to make things worse, they removed MK X borg gear, which one could use as a cheap(and relatively good) set until they got something a little better, or maybe just a maco/KHG shield.
i think they should drop the price of each space set piece to 15.000 dil, or at the very least, implement a system that allows the first space set a new player gets through the reputation system to be half-price to help them.
I agree, also the refine limit drives me crazy ... 1 piece of gear can cost up to 36000 dilithium ( refined ) ... but i can only refine 8k a day... so even if i farmed my a$$ off i still need to wait ages due to the refine... so can we either get a reduce of price OR let us use ORE to buy reputation gear...
i understand the refine limit because of ZEN exchange.. but please let us use dilithium ORE for Reputation and Fleet projects.... its so sick...i have plenty of ore and can use it somewhen in the future only for my projects....
Ages? at 8k per day that only is 5 days for a piece of gear, 9 days for 2 pieces. 14 days for a three-piece set of gear.
Cryptic please reduce the prices on the rep stuff !!!
Almost gut a nightmare from missions chasing me waaaah, no serious.
It's fine that you removed the Mark X and XI and that we keep the Mark XII from the rep system but then reduce the prizes also !!!
Undine Groundshield 500 Undine Marks 9000 Dilithium 40.000 EC
An Undine console 750 Undine Marks I believe over 10.000 Dilithium and a lot of EC
This is just Crazy and if your team is fast enough you maybe get 150 Mark per RUN.
If you're Unlucky and the team is to slow you maybe get 35 Marks
So I ask you please reduce the prices I don't mind reps but this is just stupid !!!
Also the Dilithium Exchange whats the meaning with that why in earths name this is so High ?
:mad:
Ummm. You're doing it wrong? A good Undine Space Zone run can net you 330+ marks (including the 55 daily bonus), minimum 50k ec from vendor drops, and a nice bit of dil. Supplement the battlezone into your normal dilithium routine and in 2 - 3 days you'll have enough resources for whatever piece of equipment you wanted. The only thing you can't have is instant gratification.
Not that I'm short of dil, but I do gotta chuckle at how people worry about the marks and not the real-money-equivalent in cost. Figure a 4-piece set at 32,500 each piece, if you bought that much dil it'd cost $2.15 per piece. Then they give everyone 3 characters to start with, and then they try and encourage us to buy the new sets with each season with 'unlock this special ability to neutralize the new obnoxious thing.' So at $2.15 per piece, all our gear over all our characters, how much money does that add up to? And yet some people act like a few hundred marks is the sticking point. Heh.
"Timegating" passes for content in STO, just so you know
The PVE in the game isn't difficult, lacking depth. Timegating is used to make you play longer and make it seem like there's more to do, when there actually isn't.
Dil refining, timegating of missions and instances, etc.
All designed to slow you down, all designed to stretch everything out with the same content.
Well since i have a slight idea how psychology and the human mind works it only gives frustration if you have "the cash ready" but need to sit ingame waiting for time to pass...by logic a person would loose interest after a time and might just play something else " to fill the timegap" and maybe stays at that other game or even just finds some other hobby...
of course we as trek-fans* would not leave easily like that especially not if we have spent aload of work but at some point of senseless waiting also we would leave... and that would make bad business for cryptic...
im not saying i will leave but i have left because of waiting.. then i played 2 years other games and returned to STO because of the new content.
Same goes for fleet "if" people join my fleet they ask me how long it takes to get to tier 5... and when i tell them that they just need to do some math considering 1 project uses 20 hours and you need XYZ porjects...its taking a huge load of time.. even with a load members... due to project time...
Well since i have a slight idea how psychology and the human mind works it only gives frustration if you have "the cash ready" but need to sit ingame waiting for time to pass...by logic a person would loose interest after a time and might just play something else " to fill the timegap" and maybe stays at that other game or even just finds some other hobby...
of course we as trek-fans* would not leave easily like that especially not if we have spent aload of work but at some point of senseless waiting also we would leave... and that would make bad business for cryptic...
im not saying i will leave but i have left because of waiting.. then i played 2 years other games and returned to STO because of the new content.
Same goes for fleet "if" people join my fleet they ask me how long it takes to get to tier 5... and when i tell them that they just need to do some math considering 1 project uses 20 hours and you need XYZ porjects...its taking a huge load of time.. even with a load members... due to project time...
Personally I supplement my time between rep gear leveling/time-gating with fleet-holding building, or assisting fleet-mates in leveling new toons.
I will agree that I don't like that they did away with the lower tier sets for reps.
But dil? I cant process the stuff fast enough. This game is raining dil.
Its not the Dilithium its the high cost off marks that I find ridiculous !!!
Did the mission with the undine about 200 times and still don't have enough to get a Shield, Armor or anything in that matter.
It's too expensive !!!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
It's not that hard, honest! I've been playing the Undine rep since it first started. I'm partway through Tier 4, building up enough Marks to get the last of the weapon/console 4-part set and getting the Warp Core.
The only thing that needs a real bump is the Romulan marks and that's tomorrow.
If you have the time yes, but I gut a business and family so the few hours I play and chat with the fleet is not much, but Cryptic seems to forget there are playing people with fulltime jobs and don't have the time to do some things.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
im pretty sure i can work the rep stuff without incident, but my main issue are the marks to some reps, tholian mark gather is a pain where as omega and dyson are not.
If you have the time yes, but I gut a business and family so the few hours I play and chat with the fleet is not much, but Cryptic seems to forget there are playing people with fulltime jobs and don't have the time to do some things.
and?
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Alright it's simple I level up to T5 all projects and then I get marks to make stuff right ?
Well maybe I'm doing it wrong highest I get from one evening with the 3 missions is 340 marks so I could do it in two or 3 nights but one thing is for sure if I would be devoted like that I think I can fill out divorce papers at the end of the month.
So it takes you a bit longer but it's the same problem with fleet projects it's far too expensive for most players and thats for a game not really fun.
I play other MMO's they just gut a cash shop if you want it you buy it in the cash shop NO GRINDS. It's pretty expensive from the Cash SHop but I don't care I really want it I just buy it.
If they would have that in STO all problems would be solved !!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
(Getting my walking stick out and shaking it at the younguns!)
End game gear in many MMO's is hard to get! it should be hard! It used to be hard getting the omega gear, damn I'd love to see some people try something similar to that now!
Wow you have to play hard 5 days in a row to get an elite piece of gear!:rolleyes:
I think we all have it too easy with the rep system! Dil is the only limitation, and even then unrefined dil is flooding into peoples wallets!
you can effectively refine 250,000 to 288,000 Dil a month! If you're making your 8k a day! Which isn't hard.
As for marks, yes Nukara has always been slower to get marks, but the others drop lots! (especially with the changes to Romulan reps, bare in mind Epo farming was always there!) half an hour to an hour a night will net you 200 to 300 easily!
(Getting my walking stick out and shaking it at the younguns!)
End game gear in many MMO's is hard to get! it should be hard! It used to be hard getting the omega gear, damn I'd love to see some people try something similar to that now!
Wow you have to play hard 5 days in a row to get an elite piece of gear!:rolleyes:
I think we all have it too easy with the rep system! Dil is the only limitation, and even then unrefined dil is flooding into peoples wallets!
you can effectively refine 250,000 to 288,000 Dil a month! If you're making your 8k a day! Which isn't hard.
its already easy lol, it just very repetitive(mostly due to the mark requirements), MMOs are already repetitive by their own nature, anything that diminishes that a bit, its an improvement.
A rep console costs 500 marks, 15k dillithium and 30k ec. The ec aren't even worth mentioning.
I'm currently doing the Undine rep on two characters. Both of them will use the entire Undine space stuff. Every day I do Undine Infiltrator, keep enough marks to slot the next daily project for the next day and the rest goes into an item project.
So far they have bought 2 pieces of the 500 mark space set and the deflector without me doing anything but one daily each day. Hardly expensive or time consuming.
A rep console costs 500 marks, 15k dillithium and 30k ec. The ec aren't even worth mentioning.
I'm currently doing the Undine rep on two characters. Both of them will use the entire Undine space stuff. Every day I do Undine Infiltrator, keep enough marks to slot the next daily project for the next day and the rest goes into an item project.
So far they have bought 2 pieces of the 500 mark space set and the deflector without me doing anything but one daily each day. Hardly expensive or time consuming.
I agree. Do the space battlezone and you'll have around 150 marks in the end, in less than 20m. And when it's working (soon tm), you can expect a reward for completing T5 rep, which is always huge (and pretty much enough for an item).
As for the dil, you can make a large sum of it when they do a special event (cce, MIU), or you can do a bunch of borg stf, keep the mark/processor, wait for the dil WE and trade everything including contrabands (4K contraband reward is quite nice).
50K dil from the event, 50k dil from t5 reward, and I personally did 20K dil from the dil we, and I wasn't home, barely playing enough to trade my marks.
That's more than enough to claim a complete set, and some.
Now, if your pockets are burning and you can keep more than 10K dil at once, you can't really blame cryptic.
Dil is pretty much only used for endgame gear and fleet project. You can also use it for zen, but in the end, you have to make a choice, and priorities.
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Personally, I'm happy about it as I had been sitting on some zen and...well...now you know where I got my dilithium lol.
I hope it gets higher personally. I need more dilithium. much much more.
That said, it's already pretty easy to get and it really doesn't take much time. A few days/weeks of casual play to get end game gear is pretty relaxed. I used to play FFXI where several people I knew played hardcore for 5 years and never finished an end game set. What we have now is pretty damn good.
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The recent daily bump helps. And it seems they agree to some extent with the boost to Romulan marks which are coming.
But dil? I cant process the stuff fast enough. This game is raining dil.
It's not that hard, honest! I've been playing the Undine rep since it first started. I'm partway through Tier 4, building up enough Marks to get the last of the weapon/console 4-part set and getting the Warp Core.
The only thing that needs a real bump is the Romulan marks and that's tomorrow.
lol, yet you're still here...lurking...waiting for that moment when you can jump up and say "I QUIT!"
Either the forums are really really interesting or you're slightly obsessed.
Agreed, I can easily get more dil ore than can be refined per day. There have been times I've just topped even trying to get dil ore because I have so much of it I could spend the next month doing nothing but refining ore each day and not run out of ore to refine.
Most of my toons except my new science are at T5 on all reps but Undine, on Undine one is at T4 and about 22k points from T5 (the other two have thousands of marks saved up, but I'm justing waiting to start them when I can get the sponsorship tokens for it from my one about to reach T5). And of coure once you've maxed a rep out, it tends to become a dil farm, so at this point in time all the space mark and procs/implants/whatever on my Rom/Borg/Nukara/Dyson just turns to dil.... heck one pass going through KSE, CSE, and ISE already gets you enough marks to convert 4k worth of dil ore. Pop off and fo a Dyson ground run and you can pass the 8k point.
LOL to dat......
and also... Aren't I Quite Thread/Post against the Forum rules???
I agree, also the refine limit drives me crazy ... 1 piece of gear can cost up to 36000 dilithium ( refined ) ... but i can only refine 8k a day... so even if i farmed my a$$ off i still need to wait ages due to the refine... so can we either get a reduce of price OR let us use ORE to buy reputation gear...
i understand the refine limit because of ZEN exchange.. but please let us use dilithium ORE for Reputation and Fleet projects.... its so sick...i have plenty of ore and can use it somewhen in the future only for my projects....
The PVE in the game isn't difficult, lacking depth. Timegating is used to make you play longer and make it seem like there's more to do, when there actually isn't.
Dil refining, timegating of missions and instances, etc.
All designed to slow you down, all designed to stretch everything out with the same content.
i will admit that cryptic was nice enough to give us the reputation hourly boxes(and also the daily ones from leveling the rep) which can give good stuff, even through they tend to give ground weapons more often than not, but if you do them long enough, you not only get a bit of dil, you can also get a full setup(maybe not the best of the best, but still pretty great for something that is virtually free).
i do however believe they should lower the prices on the dil store MK XI weapons(since they're no longer optimal by far, considering rep MK XII and fleet stuff), and also lower the space set price, we're getting WAAAAY too many space sets IMO, but the price remains the same(and to make things worse, they removed MK X borg gear, which one could use as a cheap(and relatively good) set until they got something a little better, or maybe just a maco/KHG shield.
i think they should drop the price of each space set piece to 15.000 dil, or at the very least, implement a system that allows the first space set a new player gets through the reputation system to be half-price to help them.
Ages? at 8k per day that only is 5 days for a piece of gear, 9 days for 2 pieces. 14 days for a three-piece set of gear.
Ummm. You're doing it wrong? A good Undine Space Zone run can net you 330+ marks (including the 55 daily bonus), minimum 50k ec from vendor drops, and a nice bit of dil. Supplement the battlezone into your normal dilithium routine and in 2 - 3 days you'll have enough resources for whatever piece of equipment you wanted. The only thing you can't have is instant gratification.
Well since i have a slight idea how psychology and the human mind works it only gives frustration if you have "the cash ready" but need to sit ingame waiting for time to pass...by logic a person would loose interest after a time and might just play something else " to fill the timegap" and maybe stays at that other game or even just finds some other hobby...
of course we as trek-fans* would not leave easily like that especially not if we have spent aload of work but at some point of senseless waiting also we would leave... and that would make bad business for cryptic...
im not saying i will leave but i have left because of waiting.. then i played 2 years other games and returned to STO because of the new content.
Same goes for fleet "if" people join my fleet they ask me how long it takes to get to tier 5... and when i tell them that they just need to do some math considering 1 project uses 20 hours and you need XYZ porjects...its taking a huge load of time.. even with a load members... due to project time...
Personally I supplement my time between rep gear leveling/time-gating with fleet-holding building, or assisting fleet-mates in leveling new toons.
Its not the Dilithium its the high cost off marks that I find ridiculous !!!
Did the mission with the undine about 200 times and still don't have enough to get a Shield, Armor or anything in that matter.
It's too expensive !!!
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
If you have the time yes, but I gut a business and family so the few hours I play and chat with the fleet is not much, but Cryptic seems to forget there are playing people with fulltime jobs and don't have the time to do some things.
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
and?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Well maybe I'm doing it wrong highest I get from one evening with the 3 missions is 340 marks so I could do it in two or 3 nights but one thing is for sure if I would be devoted like that I think I can fill out divorce papers at the end of the month.
So it takes you a bit longer but it's the same problem with fleet projects it's far too expensive for most players and thats for a game not really fun.
I play other MMO's they just gut a cash shop if you want it you buy it in the cash shop NO GRINDS. It's pretty expensive from the Cash SHop but I don't care I really want it I just buy it.
If they would have that in STO all problems would be solved !!
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
(Getting my walking stick out and shaking it at the younguns!)
End game gear in many MMO's is hard to get! it should be hard! It used to be hard getting the omega gear, damn I'd love to see some people try something similar to that now!
Wow you have to play hard 5 days in a row to get an elite piece of gear!:rolleyes:
I think we all have it too easy with the rep system! Dil is the only limitation, and even then unrefined dil is flooding into peoples wallets!
you can effectively refine 250,000 to 288,000 Dil a month! If you're making your 8k a day! Which isn't hard.
As for marks, yes Nukara has always been slower to get marks, but the others drop lots! (especially with the changes to Romulan reps, bare in mind Epo farming was always there!) half an hour to an hour a night will net you 200 to 300 easily!
its already easy lol, it just very repetitive(mostly due to the mark requirements), MMOs are already repetitive by their own nature, anything that diminishes that a bit, its an improvement.
I'm currently doing the Undine rep on two characters. Both of them will use the entire Undine space stuff. Every day I do Undine Infiltrator, keep enough marks to slot the next daily project for the next day and the rest goes into an item project.
So far they have bought 2 pieces of the 500 mark space set and the deflector without me doing anything but one daily each day. Hardly expensive or time consuming.
As for the dil, you can make a large sum of it when they do a special event (cce, MIU), or you can do a bunch of borg stf, keep the mark/processor, wait for the dil WE and trade everything including contrabands (4K contraband reward is quite nice).
50K dil from the event, 50k dil from t5 reward, and I personally did 20K dil from the dil we, and I wasn't home, barely playing enough to trade my marks.
That's more than enough to claim a complete set, and some.
Now, if your pockets are burning and you can keep more than 10K dil at once, you can't really blame cryptic.
Dil is pretty much only used for endgame gear and fleet project. You can also use it for zen, but in the end, you have to make a choice, and priorities.