Since we made peace with the Klingons in Season 9, there's no reason more co-op missions shouldn't be included in S10.
The borg and undine missions could at least be made co-op.
The Borg STF and Sector Red Alerts have always been co-op.
I haven't done Undine missions yet since I have not progressed very far in the main story missions. I have basically abandoned the main missions for a long time and only got back to doing them recently. I'll do the Undine missions when I get to that point of the story line.
It's because most people who play this game want to live out their fantasy of being a starship captain. A Starfleet captain Like Kirk, Picard, or Janeway.
Anyone who wants to be like Janeway needs serious help. We're talking "private daily sessions with Dr. Phil for decades" level help. :eek:
Except that they have added new KDF stuff(in LoR), and apparently it didn't change much. so no, it's NOT a self fulfilling prophecy anymore. People wanted to be able to start a KDF char at L1, some posters went so far as to claim it'd drastically increase the number of KDF players. Well, the devs gave it to us. Not much changed.
As for "perks" to being KDF.... KDF stuff is generally better than Fed stuff. Not a LOT better, just a little bit, but still.
That is true Mark. But also think about that. They added more KDF stuff in 'LoR'. Not it's own release, not it's own spotlight, but as PART of the Romulans being added. So who got more attention when people started playing that? Romulans.
What KDF stuff is better? Uni consoles? A lot of the good ones were whined and nerfed down or given to the Feds. Ships? Not really. Cloaking? Romulans do it better (and makes little difference in PvE most of the time). Fleet gear? Yes that one is quite true. Elite Disruptors blow Elite Phasers out of the water.
DOFFing? Yes, but that has simply had people making gobs of KDF farming alts and not actually 'playing' on the KDF side. Raider-type ships and universal BOFF slots? Everyone got a free Raider ship if they wanted it in the Winter Event, and I hardly see those around. As for universal BOFF slots, most new ships seem to come with 1 or more of those anymore, though people still call for their own 'Fed-i-fied' full universal ship.
Carriers? I would argue this one is also true, if you ignore lockbox ships. Atrox does still pail a bit compared to the Vo'quv and Kar'fi. Costumes? Oh heck no we don't here.
Point is that I really don't feel that KDF have as many advantages as people seem to think. Most have either been nerfed, diluted because of various reasons, or simply given away.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
its still funny that STO players go more for the good guys then the bad guys ( klingons )
but i have play a lot of mmorpg in my last 10 years
and what i see players love mostly to play the bad guy
but STO is a bit different dunno why
maybe a lot don't like the klingons ore gorn ore orion
but we can sure use more love
While no doubtedly the franchise itself focusing on the Federation that has Humans within, as well as them being the sort of heroes or 'white knights' as people like to call them has done it's fair share on players' decision to go with Fed as a faction, I seriously suspect the bigger reason for the population differencies here in STO is the state of the factions.
No other game I've played has such vast and obvious gaps in quality and quantity of content between the factions as STO does, and in time this tends to take it's toll on population numbers.
No other game I've played has such vast and obvious gaps in quality and quantity of content between the factions as STO does, and in time this tends to take it's toll on population numbers.
In short, people don't play as the KDF because there is less to play with (and cryptic doesn't put as much effort into continuing KDF development because there's less of a market for it.) It's a cycle that could be broken if cryptic did one thing: add more KDF content anyway and from the ground up. Ships for a start but you also have to have the smaller niceties like equipment and customization options for them to feel like a proper, playable faction.
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In short, people don't play as the KDF because there is less to play with (and cryptic doesn't put as much effort into continuing KDF development because there's less of a market for it.) It's a cycle that could be broken if cryptic did one thing: add more KDF content anyway and from the ground up. Ships for a start but you also have to have the smaller niceties like customization options for them to feel like a proper faction.
#1 - The problem is Cryptic does not want to add more content because there are not enough KDF players to begin with.
#2 - There are not enough KDF players because of the lack of content.
Just dont tell them about the secret "PWN" button in the KDF interface that allows us to blow up whatever we are shooting at. That might make Starfleet jealous.
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Just dont tell them about the secret "PWN" button in the KDF interface that allows us to blow up whatever we are shooting at. That might make Starfleet jealous.
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Because running public services isn't both personally profitable and sustainable in the long run. They'd just milk the system until it completely crashes. Probably why any empire they tried to form never really survived for long.
Well, I could imagine them charging fees and taxes for everything.... kinda like Ferengi.
That is true Mark. But also think about that. They added more KDF stuff in 'LoR'. Not it's own release, not it's own spotlight, but as PART of the Romulans being added. So who got more attention when people started playing that? Romulans.
What KDF stuff is better? Uni consoles? A lot of the good ones were whined and nerfed down or given to the Feds. Ships? Not really. Cloaking? Romulans do it better (and makes little difference in PvE most of the time). Fleet gear? Yes that one is quite true. Elite Disruptors blow Elite Phasers out of the water.
DOFFing? Yes, but that has simply had people making gobs of KDF farming alts and not actually 'playing' on the KDF side. Raider-type ships and universal BOFF slots? Everyone got a free Raider ship if they wanted it in the Winter Event, and I hardly see those around. As for universal BOFF slots, most new ships seem to come with 1 or more of those anymore, though people still call for their own 'Fed-i-fied' full universal ship.
Carriers? I would argue this one is also true, if you ignore lockbox ships. Atrox does still pail a bit compared to the Vo'quv and Kar'fi. Costumes? Oh heck no we don't here.
Point is that I really don't feel that KDF have as many advantages as people seem to think. Most have either been nerfed, diluted because of various reasons, or simply given away.
Well, maybe, but my point was about the viability of giving players an in-game incentive to play something other than Feds. It hasn't worked for the KDF.
Well, maybe, but my point was about the viability of giving players an in-game incentive to play something other than Feds. It hasn't worked for the KDF.
They did give in-game incentive to play something other than Feds. It hasn't worked for the KDF because it was given to the Romulans, not the KDF.
They did give in-game incentive to play something other than Feds. It hasn't worked for the KDF because it was given to the Romulans, not the KDF.
There's also the point to be made that what they've added to the KDF has been more or less a band-aid for the larger issues. They now have a proper 1-20 level progression, but still lack basic customization options that might people feel more involved with their toon. They have a couple more ships, but there's still no semblence of parity (in terms of quantity at least) with the FED. What the KDF needs is a major, systemic overhaul (something at the scale of a season or 0.5 season) not just the odd update that, while helpful, can't overcome the broad deficiencies.
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Well, maybe, but my point was about the viability of giving players an in-game incentive to play something other than Feds. It hasn't worked for the KDF.
Fair enough of course, and I understand your point completely.
But mine was that anything the KDF had, most isn't really an advantage anymore. And what few things are, aren't that big in the grand scheme of things.
And the KDF hasn't ever really been given it's own spotlight by itself. 1-20 content was just put in with the updates of LoR last year. Not given it's own time to shine for it's own merits. I mean, we eventually got Michael Dorn, Worf himself, in a bunch of missions there.
An entire season, in which there's a bunch of dedicated work, and stuff for, the Klingon side of things I think is what would really work at this point.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Fair enough of course, and I understand your point completely.
But mine was that anything the KDF had, most isn't really an advantage anymore. And what few things are, aren't that big in the grand scheme of things.
And the KDF hasn't ever really been given it's own spotlight by itself. 1-20 content was just put in with the updates of LoR last year. Not given it's own time to shine for it's own merits. I mean, we eventually got Michael Dorn, Worf himself, in a bunch of missions there.
An entire season, in which there's a bunch of dedicated work, and stuff for, the Klingon side of things I think is what would really work at this point.
I agree with your post here. The bolded part in particular is something that I feel strongly about with the introduction of things like the Romulan sub-faction and the new Patrol Escort.
Klingons used to have the decloak strike as one of the primary distinguishing features. Obviously this became less unique with LoR. I have no problem with this. Romulans have always been depicted as the stealthy cloak-strikers. Starfleet has always had better options for Science Officers and Engineers. again, this fits with their consistent portrayal, no real issues here.
However, after we saw the Avenger drop, and then of course the new Patrol Escort, it really started my head spinning with regards to what exactly it is that makes the KDF unique and worth playing. To me, the Klingon Empire and the KDF are all about brute force and firepower. Yet our native persistent escort options are underwhelming (Somraw is -ok-, Scourge is outdated, Guramba lacks a Fleet version, Qin has a goofy pivot). Our battlecruiser format has been cloned (Avenger). Sensor Analysis has given the Command Bortasqu a new lease on life but the other two variants remain less than optimal to say nothing of their consoles, the corresponding CD's, and the set bonuses.
I feel like the KDF should be the faction with escorts sporting five tac consoles, not the peace-loving Federation. The KDF's distinguishing feature should be firepower, strong escorts, take-no-prisoners battlecruisers. Instead we get flanking and double down on something that Romulans are still going to be (and should be) better at. It's not like we have a lot of OP healing or science options outside of lockbox ships. Klingons should be able to at least outgun our opponents if nothing else.
Yes, in other Star Trek games the Federation tended to be more defensive in nature, the Klingons offensive, and Romulans stealthy. So perhaps doing that with KDF ships, giving them a stronger frontal shield arc with a weaker aft arc would be a good start.
But one thing I yet to see in STO with KDF ships that might help out, is HEAVY Disruptor Cannons. No, not the ones we got in game. I'm talking about the powerful Disruptor blasts we sometimes saw KDF Battlecruisers do in Star Trek. Like on the Klingon attack on DS9, I recall an Negh'var that fired some powerful Disruptor blasts. So perhaps this could create a new KDF Battlecruiser-only ability to fire Heavy Disruptor Cannon blasts that would be akin to Beam Overload or High Yield Torpedoes.
This could possibility lead to the creation of other faction-specific BOFF abilities.
I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but one indication of the deplorable state of the KDF is the Federation Minefield PvE. On the Fed side, even on any given day in which it isn't the fleet action daily, you can still join a Gorn Minefield PUG queue probably within 10 minutes or less, with at least one other queue running concurrently. In the KDF, trying to join Fed Minefield even when it IS the daily is a chore. I've had it queued on a character for half an hour while flying around picking up doff assignments, then on another KDF character for another half hour immediately after, the first having failed to join, only to end up giving up. It's simply one of the fastest space PvEs that exists for the KDF, with the potential of two valuable Mk XI purple space gear drops for first place, but there's just nobody to join.
In the KDF, trying to join Fed Minefield even when it IS the daily is a chore. I've had it queued on a character for half an hour while flying around picking up doff assignments, then on another KDF character for another half hour immediately after, the first having failed to join, only to end up giving up.
There was a period of time when I queued it up for my KDF toon for a month straight; every single day. Multiple times.
I have never, ever played that mission with my KDF toon. NEVER.
The KDF faction needs more content for starters. Ques are of secondary importance. For example, KDF players have been asking for the Devs to release a Klingon TNG weapons and uniforms c store pack. It still hasn't materialized.
Another example is KDF players requesting more KDF specific dailies. Instead, we continued to get cross faction dailies but the devs never revamped the pi canis sorties or gave us replacements for them.
The KDF has also clamored for more character customization options. For example, players have requested that Klingon males and females (and other KDF races as well) get more hair options, access to a greater variety of free boots and costumes, and improvements to the uniform color palette that would allow players to properly match colors on different uniform pieces worn simultaneously. 2 years later and still no cigar other than a couple new hairstyles.
Aside from those things, KDF players asked for more KDF sub faction ships like feresan and lethean ships, as well as more Orion and gorn ships. Again no cigar.
Just as the Black Eyed Peas put it, where is the love?
As for some Orions being part of the KDF and the council allowing the syndicate to continue to operate, I feel like the story writers could do so much more with this. If I were the high council, I would have voted to put the syndicate out of it's misery. They are a thorn in the KDF's, Federation's, and Republic's side as can be seen in the nimbus storyline.
In my opinion Starfleet design is way better than KDF design, space catfish known as kar'fi as primary example.
Do we want to compare Excelsior, Sovereign, Galaxy, Defiant, Prometheus, Wells and even some well-designed Cryptic ships?
That's why I don't play KDF. I just have a ton more fun with Federation and all of its toys. No wonder my ship list there is filled up
In my opinion Starfleet design is way better than KDF design, space catfish known as kar'fi as primary example.
Do we want to compare Excelsior, Sovereign, Galaxy, Defiant, Prometheus, Wells and even some well-designed Cryptic ships?
That's why I don't play KDF. I just have a ton more fun with Federation and all of its toys. No wonder my ship list there is filled up
And THAT is one of the problems.
Most of the toys are better over in the Federation. Look at escorts vs. raptors?
Would you rather fly a raptor that dates back to the start of the game or one of those snazzy Andorian Escorts or new Patrol Escorts?
Not saying it should be completely even, but KDF (and ROMs) need more ships introduced to keep it exciting.
Ever noticed how many Mogh KDF run in game? ... It's the best we have.
In my opinion Starfleet design is way better than KDF design, space catfish known as kar'fi as primary example.
Do we want to compare Excelsior, Sovereign, Galaxy, Defiant, Prometheus, Wells and even some well-designed Cryptic ships?
That's why I don't play KDF. I just have a ton more fun with Federation and all of its toys. No wonder my ship list there is filled up
That's wholly opinion based stuff on how you feel about the looks of ships Riccardo. And you can't really call the Kar'fi a 'KDF design' as it was more along the lines of being taken from the Fek'ihri and they made more from that design. Reverse engineering sort of deal.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
In my opinion Starfleet design is way better than KDF design, space catfish known as kar'fi as primary example.
Do we want to compare Excelsior, Sovereign, Galaxy, Defiant, Prometheus, Wells and even some well-designed Cryptic ships?
That's why I don't play KDF. I just have a ton more fun with Federation and all of its toys. No wonder my ship list there is filled up
The look of ships is subjective, some people prefer different aesthetics. That said the federation has way more choice in all aspects of avatar customisation, be it ship or player.
The otherl issue is that the Federation have a much stronger line up of ships than the KDF, a lot of the KDF ships haven't been looked at since day one and its starting to show.
It doesn't help either that they have slowly been robbing the KDF of what made it unique and thus a reason to play it. (uni slots, raider, carriers, consoles, battlecruisers, cloaking ect)
That said adding some not too difficult to implement items to the KDF like access to the clothing and customization options that some NPCs enjoy that players don't would go a long way.
The look of ships is subjective, some people prefer different things.
The real issue is that the Federation have a much stronger line up of ships than the KDF, a lot of the KDF ships haven't been looked at since day one and its starting to show.
It doesn't help either that they have slowly been robbing the KDF of what made it unique and thus a reason to play it. (uni slots, raider, carriers, consoles, battlecruisers, cloaking ect)
They have stronger ships statement is false. Just more toys.
Federation still lacks decent frigates and a real carrier for example.
Just Avenger as battle cruiser (even though Fleet Excelsior is a mix of epicness, handles like a BC, takes a beating, looks gorgeous, perfectly canon awesomeness; not an average cruiser),
Defiant cloaking: well... that ship is a wall of shame unfortunately.
Consoles... we have cross faction packs, fair trade.
Uni slots: I'd like a bit of flexibility on my ships and most Federation ships are boff-locked.
Federation doesn't have anything like a BoP.
Only exception is Fleet Patrol Escort Refit, that's a game changer ship.
They have stronger ships statement is false. Just more toys.
Federation still lacks decent frigates and a real carrier for example.
Just Avenger as battle cruiser (even though Fleet Excelsior is a mix of epicness, handles like a BC, takes a beating, looks gorgeous, perfectly canon awesomeness; not an average cruiser),
Defiant cloaking: well... that ship is a wall of shame unfortunately.
Consoles... we have cross faction packs, fair trade.
Uni slots: I'd like a bit of flexibility on my ships and most Federation ships are boff-locked.
Federation doesn't have anything like a BoP.
Only exception is Fleet Patrol Escort Refit, that's a game changer ship.
Does KDF even have an Aquarius?!?! :P
I don't mean stronger as in more powerful I mean they have a stronger line up as in more variety and more choice.
Like straight up the blue side has a lot more ships to choose from.
It doesnt help you complain about the KDF shipyard lack of diversity so you can steal Romulan and Federation design YET complain about KDF being robbed of their uniqueness because YOU DONT WANT TO SHARE!
Funny that ...
Here is the thing, PICK ONE!
Either you accept shipyard diversity or you push for uniqueness otherwise dont try to steal every design you find useful and when someone ask to return the favor you go on about "the uniqueness of the KDF".
Dafuq are you on about, if you even happen to know by yourself??
You complain about the KDF uniqueness being taken away as if cloak, carriers, etc ... but and here is the kicker, you ask for more ships but those ships happen to be "unique" as well, like science ships.
If Raiders are "do not touch, KDF uniqueness" then what are the Federation uniqueness? I have seen complains about KDF ships having no attract fire command despite Flight Deck Cruisers having them so even the Federation Cruiser line that have all 4 Cruiser commands is something the KDF wants or at the very least what some KDF players want, whats left for the Federation to be unique about them?
You cannot ask for having more ship variety at the expense of the other factors and in turn refuse to give away your faction own variety, its either one (everyone having the same ship types) or the other (each faction is "unique") and I am going to be fair on this, I seen same arguments coming from Federation players that wanted things like build-in Cloak (that we had at a certain point) or even something like Singularity abilities but I never really seen any Fed player going on about how Science ships are the Federation uniqueness (I admit that I did that once or twice as a joke) or how escorts are Federation uniqueness or anything is Federation uniqueness as inevitably some KDF player will rant about.
This getting beyond old, the same rants "KDF uniqueness" that bogs down to NOT wanting to share their designs, its very amusing to see how Cloak treads eventually get overrun by KDF players going on and on about it as pretty much everyone else had left the discussion, I say it irritates me that its impossible to discuss it without being taken over by KDF player ... heck there is even a hilarious thread started about Romulan Cloak not being superior to Klingon Cloak.
If ... if you want more shipyard variety its not a good thing that at some point you go on about how certain ships should be KDF only because this reeks as wanting someone else toys and not wanting to share your own, if the way for KDF to have players is pretty much have all the toys and everyone else being restricted ... well, thats not exactly part of something I want to be part of, its just a bunch of people having everything and the other their scraps.
How is that Avenger Battle Cruiser working out for you? Enjoying the Fed Carrier? How is that Plasmonic Leech? The feds have had plenty of our toys. They dont need anymore.
We dont have all the cruiser commands, which is fine. We have only alien non Klingon science ships, which is fine.
Stop condemning we KDF for constantly wanting your toys when the feds have done just as much if not more toy snatching of their own, and defend it behind the guise of "its only fair since the KDF constantly wants our toys" defense.
Its embarrassing to watch and makes the defense moot.
You have your cloaks. We have ours. You have you unique things. BoP raiders are ours.
This factional toy snatching because the grass is greenier and its only fair TRIBBLE has gotten old. The factions are getting stale enough as it is.
Oh but I recall when the Bortas come out, something that was pretty much a Federation Cruiser ... and how well received it was.
I dont want to say this but my conclusion is the KDF doesnt want diversity, they want the best ships because when the Bortas come out during the days of the DHC dominance it was ignored at best and made fun of at worst, things changed but the SECOND 5 Tactical Consoles ship in this game was the Bortas, the first one was the JHAS a few months earlier.
*sigh* Ok...said this once recently:
Tac Bortas was the first 5 tac console ship in the game. It was released in March of 2012. The JHAS was NOT released with 5 tac consoles, but 4. It was given a 5th, along with the other lockbox ships of the time being changed in July of 2012 with the release of the fleet system.
Now, you yourself just said why the Bortas wasn't well-taken by the KDF playerbase at the time: It 'was pretty much a Federation Cruiser'.
Which is precisely the point. It was basically a Fed cruiser with the KDF BC markings for all intents and purposes. It was slow and had poor turn rate(and we were still using the old form of turn rate at the time). You could use DHCs, that is true, but at the time trying to do so was generally a futile effort, so the potential for them was greatly lowered (and this is saying that as someone who flew a Bortas until pretty much the Mogh came out on my KDF tac, and with DHCs at that). It has a lower shield mod than the Ody and a weaker, more easily seen cloak on top of that.
Hell, if I was the conspiracy type, I would almost say it was designed poorly on purpose.
KDF don't want what Romulans and Feds have. KDF want more of what we already own. What is truly so wrong about the KDF wanting a new Raptor that better matches with more modern ships in the game, or maybe a shiny new BoP, or even a couple more fleet ships?
And besides, NO KDF has been asking for copies of what Fed and Roms have. Any 'copying' has been purely on CRYPTIC'S shoulders. The Avenger/Mogh fiasco? Originally the KDF were told that we were gonna get a new ship, only to suddenly have it go 'on hold' and right out of the damn blue came the Avenger. Then a couple months later, the Mogh was released. And a bit more recently, the Dyson ships were released all at the same time and are nearly the exact same ships for all 3 factions. No 'evil KDF' caused that, it's entirely on Cryptic for making copy/paste ships.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
This getting beyond old, the same rants "KDF uniqueness" that bogs down to NOT wanting to share their designs, its very amusing to see how Cloak treads eventually get overrun by KDF players going on and on about it as pretty much everyone else had left the discussion, I say it irritates me that its impossible to discuss it without being taken over by KDF player ... heck there is even a hilarious thread started about Romulan Cloak not being superior to Klingon Cloak.
Starfleet has everything already, and you want more.
You are already the favored faction, not some victim.
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The Borg STF and Sector Red Alerts have always been co-op.
I haven't done Undine missions yet since I have not progressed very far in the main story missions. I have basically abandoned the main missions for a long time and only got back to doing them recently. I'll do the Undine missions when I get to that point of the story line.
Anyone who wants to be like Janeway needs serious help. We're talking "private daily sessions with Dr. Phil for decades" level help. :eek:
That is true Mark. But also think about that. They added more KDF stuff in 'LoR'. Not it's own release, not it's own spotlight, but as PART of the Romulans being added. So who got more attention when people started playing that? Romulans.
What KDF stuff is better? Uni consoles? A lot of the good ones were whined and nerfed down or given to the Feds. Ships? Not really. Cloaking? Romulans do it better (and makes little difference in PvE most of the time). Fleet gear? Yes that one is quite true. Elite Disruptors blow Elite Phasers out of the water.
DOFFing? Yes, but that has simply had people making gobs of KDF farming alts and not actually 'playing' on the KDF side. Raider-type ships and universal BOFF slots? Everyone got a free Raider ship if they wanted it in the Winter Event, and I hardly see those around. As for universal BOFF slots, most new ships seem to come with 1 or more of those anymore, though people still call for their own 'Fed-i-fied' full universal ship.
Carriers? I would argue this one is also true, if you ignore lockbox ships. Atrox does still pail a bit compared to the Vo'quv and Kar'fi. Costumes? Oh heck no we don't here.
Point is that I really don't feel that KDF have as many advantages as people seem to think. Most have either been nerfed, diluted because of various reasons, or simply given away.
While no doubtedly the franchise itself focusing on the Federation that has Humans within, as well as them being the sort of heroes or 'white knights' as people like to call them has done it's fair share on players' decision to go with Fed as a faction, I seriously suspect the bigger reason for the population differencies here in STO is the state of the factions.
No other game I've played has such vast and obvious gaps in quality and quantity of content between the factions as STO does, and in time this tends to take it's toll on population numbers.
In short, people don't play as the KDF because there is less to play with (and cryptic doesn't put as much effort into continuing KDF development because there's less of a market for it.) It's a cycle that could be broken if cryptic did one thing: add more KDF content anyway and from the ground up. Ships for a start but you also have to have the smaller niceties like equipment and customization options for them to feel like a proper, playable faction.
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#1 - The problem is Cryptic does not want to add more content because there are not enough KDF players to begin with.
#2 - There are not enough KDF players because of the lack of content.
#3 - See #1.
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They did give in-game incentive to play something other than Feds. It hasn't worked for the KDF because it was given to the Romulans, not the KDF.
There's also the point to be made that what they've added to the KDF has been more or less a band-aid for the larger issues. They now have a proper 1-20 level progression, but still lack basic customization options that might people feel more involved with their toon. They have a couple more ships, but there's still no semblence of parity (in terms of quantity at least) with the FED. What the KDF needs is a major, systemic overhaul (something at the scale of a season or 0.5 season) not just the odd update that, while helpful, can't overcome the broad deficiencies.
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Fair enough of course, and I understand your point completely.
But mine was that anything the KDF had, most isn't really an advantage anymore. And what few things are, aren't that big in the grand scheme of things.
And the KDF hasn't ever really been given it's own spotlight by itself. 1-20 content was just put in with the updates of LoR last year. Not given it's own time to shine for it's own merits. I mean, we eventually got Michael Dorn, Worf himself, in a bunch of missions there.
An entire season, in which there's a bunch of dedicated work, and stuff for, the Klingon side of things I think is what would really work at this point.
I agree with your post here. The bolded part in particular is something that I feel strongly about with the introduction of things like the Romulan sub-faction and the new Patrol Escort.
Klingons used to have the decloak strike as one of the primary distinguishing features. Obviously this became less unique with LoR. I have no problem with this. Romulans have always been depicted as the stealthy cloak-strikers. Starfleet has always had better options for Science Officers and Engineers. again, this fits with their consistent portrayal, no real issues here.
However, after we saw the Avenger drop, and then of course the new Patrol Escort, it really started my head spinning with regards to what exactly it is that makes the KDF unique and worth playing. To me, the Klingon Empire and the KDF are all about brute force and firepower. Yet our native persistent escort options are underwhelming (Somraw is -ok-, Scourge is outdated, Guramba lacks a Fleet version, Qin has a goofy pivot). Our battlecruiser format has been cloned (Avenger). Sensor Analysis has given the Command Bortasqu a new lease on life but the other two variants remain less than optimal to say nothing of their consoles, the corresponding CD's, and the set bonuses.
I feel like the KDF should be the faction with escorts sporting five tac consoles, not the peace-loving Federation. The KDF's distinguishing feature should be firepower, strong escorts, take-no-prisoners battlecruisers. Instead we get flanking and double down on something that Romulans are still going to be (and should be) better at. It's not like we have a lot of OP healing or science options outside of lockbox ships. Klingons should be able to at least outgun our opponents if nothing else.
But one thing I yet to see in STO with KDF ships that might help out, is HEAVY Disruptor Cannons. No, not the ones we got in game. I'm talking about the powerful Disruptor blasts we sometimes saw KDF Battlecruisers do in Star Trek. Like on the Klingon attack on DS9, I recall an Negh'var that fired some powerful Disruptor blasts. So perhaps this could create a new KDF Battlecruiser-only ability to fire Heavy Disruptor Cannon blasts that would be akin to Beam Overload or High Yield Torpedoes.
This could possibility lead to the creation of other faction-specific BOFF abilities.
There was a period of time when I queued it up for my KDF toon for a month straight; every single day. Multiple times.
I have never, ever played that mission with my KDF toon. NEVER.
Another example is KDF players requesting more KDF specific dailies. Instead, we continued to get cross faction dailies but the devs never revamped the pi canis sorties or gave us replacements for them.
The KDF has also clamored for more character customization options. For example, players have requested that Klingon males and females (and other KDF races as well) get more hair options, access to a greater variety of free boots and costumes, and improvements to the uniform color palette that would allow players to properly match colors on different uniform pieces worn simultaneously. 2 years later and still no cigar other than a couple new hairstyles.
Aside from those things, KDF players asked for more KDF sub faction ships like feresan and lethean ships, as well as more Orion and gorn ships. Again no cigar.
Just as the Black Eyed Peas put it, where is the love?
As for some Orions being part of the KDF and the council allowing the syndicate to continue to operate, I feel like the story writers could do so much more with this. If I were the high council, I would have voted to put the syndicate out of it's misery. They are a thorn in the KDF's, Federation's, and Republic's side as can be seen in the nimbus storyline.
Do we want to compare Excelsior, Sovereign, Galaxy, Defiant, Prometheus, Wells and even some well-designed Cryptic ships?
That's why I don't play KDF. I just have a ton more fun with Federation and all of its toys. No wonder my ship list there is filled up
And THAT is one of the problems.
Most of the toys are better over in the Federation. Look at escorts vs. raptors?
Would you rather fly a raptor that dates back to the start of the game or one of those snazzy Andorian Escorts or new Patrol Escorts?
Not saying it should be completely even, but KDF (and ROMs) need more ships introduced to keep it exciting.
Ever noticed how many Mogh KDF run in game? ... It's the best we have.
U.S.S. Maelstrom, NCC-71417 (Constitution III-class/flagship) --- Fleet Admiral Hauk' --|-- Dahar Master Hauk --- I.K.S. qu'In 'an bortaS (D7-class / flagship)
That's wholly opinion based stuff on how you feel about the looks of ships Riccardo. And you can't really call the Kar'fi a 'KDF design' as it was more along the lines of being taken from the Fek'ihri and they made more from that design. Reverse engineering sort of deal.
The look of ships is subjective, some people prefer different aesthetics. That said the federation has way more choice in all aspects of avatar customisation, be it ship or player.
The otherl issue is that the Federation have a much stronger line up of ships than the KDF, a lot of the KDF ships haven't been looked at since day one and its starting to show.
It doesn't help either that they have slowly been robbing the KDF of what made it unique and thus a reason to play it. (uni slots, raider, carriers, consoles, battlecruisers, cloaking ect)
That said adding some not too difficult to implement items to the KDF like access to the clothing and customization options that some NPCs enjoy that players don't would go a long way.
They have stronger ships statement is false. Just more toys.
Federation still lacks decent frigates and a real carrier for example.
Just Avenger as battle cruiser (even though Fleet Excelsior is a mix of epicness, handles like a BC, takes a beating, looks gorgeous, perfectly canon awesomeness; not an average cruiser),
Defiant cloaking: well... that ship is a wall of shame unfortunately.
Consoles... we have cross faction packs, fair trade.
Uni slots: I'd like a bit of flexibility on my ships and most Federation ships are boff-locked.
Federation doesn't have anything like a BoP.
Only exception is Fleet Patrol Escort Refit, that's a game changer ship.
Does KDF even have an Aquarius?!?! :P
I don't mean stronger as in more powerful I mean they have a stronger line up as in more variety and more choice.
Like straight up the blue side has a lot more ships to choose from.
Dafuq are you on about, if you even happen to know by yourself??
Yeah...wat.
The only ship the KDF has ever "shared" is the D7 unless hes referring to the no T5 thing for Romulans.
How is that Avenger Battle Cruiser working out for you? Enjoying the Fed Carrier? How is that Plasmonic Leech? The feds have had plenty of our toys. They dont need anymore.
We dont have all the cruiser commands, which is fine. We have only alien non Klingon science ships, which is fine.
Stop condemning we KDF for constantly wanting your toys when the feds have done just as much if not more toy snatching of their own, and defend it behind the guise of "its only fair since the KDF constantly wants our toys" defense.
Its embarrassing to watch and makes the defense moot.
You have your cloaks. We have ours. You have you unique things. BoP raiders are ours.
This factional toy snatching because the grass is greenier and its only fair TRIBBLE has gotten old. The factions are getting stale enough as it is.
R.I.P
*sigh* Ok...said this once recently:
Tac Bortas was the first 5 tac console ship in the game. It was released in March of 2012. The JHAS was NOT released with 5 tac consoles, but 4. It was given a 5th, along with the other lockbox ships of the time being changed in July of 2012 with the release of the fleet system.
Now, you yourself just said why the Bortas wasn't well-taken by the KDF playerbase at the time: It 'was pretty much a Federation Cruiser'.
Which is precisely the point. It was basically a Fed cruiser with the KDF BC markings for all intents and purposes. It was slow and had poor turn rate(and we were still using the old form of turn rate at the time). You could use DHCs, that is true, but at the time trying to do so was generally a futile effort, so the potential for them was greatly lowered (and this is saying that as someone who flew a Bortas until pretty much the Mogh came out on my KDF tac, and with DHCs at that). It has a lower shield mod than the Ody and a weaker, more easily seen cloak on top of that.
Hell, if I was the conspiracy type, I would almost say it was designed poorly on purpose.
KDF don't want what Romulans and Feds have. KDF want more of what we already own. What is truly so wrong about the KDF wanting a new Raptor that better matches with more modern ships in the game, or maybe a shiny new BoP, or even a couple more fleet ships?
And besides, NO KDF has been asking for copies of what Fed and Roms have. Any 'copying' has been purely on CRYPTIC'S shoulders. The Avenger/Mogh fiasco? Originally the KDF were told that we were gonna get a new ship, only to suddenly have it go 'on hold' and right out of the damn blue came the Avenger. Then a couple months later, the Mogh was released. And a bit more recently, the Dyson ships were released all at the same time and are nearly the exact same ships for all 3 factions. No 'evil KDF' caused that, it's entirely on Cryptic for making copy/paste ships.
Starfleet has everything already, and you want more.
You are already the favored faction, not some victim.
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