Now this is odd first time we done this in a group to survive, we were in a group doing Storming the Sphire, and guess what we were all destroyed within seconds like AI sended all it can on us.
Second attempt yep you guest it same thing we were blasted out of the dyson air in seconds.
Third time we waited on each other to respawn repaired out vessels and go in all together, we lost control because with the third attempt they landed allready 250 troops and the Alliance only had 50 so far.
But we did this before in season 8 and they were pretty easy to get rid off, the voth I mean. now we have to attack in a squad to succeed...
after the cool down we did another few rounds and same result going in alone or with two is just suicide, is this a bug or something ?
Because with all other REP/STF play we have no trouble at all only with the voth we have to group up to even make winning, but you can't be on all places at once if you have to stay in a group....
Can anyone confirm this happened to his team as well ?
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It might be a bit too difficult (and god knows I hate the FAW spam in Storming the Spire), but saying something like this is a pretty clear indication to me of whining because you can't solo group content.
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I have no information on OP's or his teammates' builds, but I think the reason he posted about this isn't his complaint about team-play, but that the Voth seemed to be hyper-charged, to a bugged level.
Because I take my no-heal B'rel into there all the time and do just fine - solo - in Elite.
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I have no information on OP's or his teammates' builds, but I think the reason he posted about this isn't his complaint about team-play, but that the Voth seemed to be hyper-charged.
That is not whining at all and probably you guys never did this rep before.
So stop the BS here, and read the thread for once. If I can survive all REP/STF plays and suddenly after season 8 I can't take down a Voth Cruiser on my own we need 3 ships to take it down.
That's weird don't you think because I can easily withstand heavy fire from few drones targeting me but I can't take down a single cruiser.
Now tell me where is the whining ?
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"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
The OP should indeed get a better team and/or stop whining.
Offcourse we don't fly scimtar like you probely do, but most off the time if you ever played it witch I doubt you know you could do this elite version with the group spreadout acrros the sphire. But because you never played it and just like to BS the thread. I wonder why I even take the time to respond to you.
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"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
Why play Storming the Spire in the first place? The rewards for it are terrible.
Yeah well play it a lot with the fleet, and we all had the same problem right then and there. So I thought to check with people first before I report it as a buck.
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"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
I wonder why I even take the time to respond to you.
It's a little thing called "ego." Well...if it can make you respond to things you insist you know you shouldn't respond to, maybe it's not such a little thing.
Yeah well play it a lot with the fleet, and we all had the same problem right then and there. So I thought to check with people first before I report it as a buck.
In all seriousness here- how many other threads do you see about this? How many other complaints? That alone is usually a fair indication in itself- anything that suddenly changes in a major way tends to fill General Discussion with multiple threads howling about it, while so far the complaints about this particular perceived change seem to be coming from a single source.
It was curious, to say the least, running this again. It was definitely a WTF moment!!!
But let me explain...
I'm an average at best player. I'm not a great player - not even a good player. I'm average at best. I was flying a crappy geared boat. +26.2% consoles, 3 of them...a Sci. Basically a toon that's not even geared in the slightest, imho - comparatively speaking to how geared a boat could be. The only change in gearing since since before S9 was the addition of the KCB for the 2pc.
And personally, blowing stuff up and surviving getting blown up in Storming Elite - was no different than before S9. I honestly didn't notice any change. Swarmers schmarmers. Palisades smalisades. Bastions schmastions. Basically just fodder while flying around going wheeee...
So where was the WTF moment?
Watching the others...WTF? How did he pop? How did he pop? How did he pop again? Why aren't they killing anything? Is he even going to shoot at that? How did he pop? What? He popped again?
So there at the end, I'm grabbing two rows of shuttles - when I notice another guy's there. Meh, fine - I'll hit up the other two rows of shuttles. There were two more guys there. Wait? Four of us on shuttles? And they weren't even getting the shuttles... /facepalm. So I head on over to help out the person on the Dreadnought that's dying - knowing that if they're dying like that, there's no way that we'll be able to take it out in time with the amount of time that was wasted already. I just didn't want to be anywhere near the folks failing on shuttles.
Again, let me interrupt here in case that's coming off harsh. I suck. I'm horribad. I'm perhaps average on my best day. Good players could have the flu and still outplay me with one hand.
So yeah, it was definitely a WTF moment...but uh, not quite the moment the OP was having.
He probably said the thing about the attack squad because you really have to spread out in Storming the Spire. Before S9, you'd have four people protecting the four docking bays, and the fifth running around causing trouble. But now, it's much harder to land more troops.
Okay, I'm reading back through and I probably did come off a bit harsh, but...yeah, Storming the Spire is a pain in the TRIBBLE, especially if you have destructible torpedoes, and yeah, it does get messy, and yeah, the rewards aren't great. But if I can do good in a Bellerophon with a PUG, and I want to make it clear that I am not a great player, then "you need teamwork to win!" is a complaint you might want to step back and take another look at. Even if you do need teamwork to win, do the teamwork.
People on these forums are constantly complaining about how not enough stuff requires teamwork, but the second it seems actually necessary, they're up in arms about how it's too hard. You can't have it both ways.
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He probably said the thing about the attack squad because you really have to spread out in Storming the Spire. Before S9, you'd have four people protecting the four docking bays, and the fifth running around causing trouble. But now, it's much harder to land more troops.
2 per side (each covering 2 points) and one tackling/assisting with Cruisers.
V1 --- V1 --- V2 --- V2
<
> C5 <
>
A3 --- A3 --- A4 --- A4
How has that changed?
It's a team thing from having folks covering an area and everybody working together to do their part...not having all five folks sitting at A3 while ignoring the rest. Perhaps there's somebody that's not quite covering their 2, perhaps they need to be shifted so the C5 can help them out as well as either their V/A neighbor. That's working as a team. It's not having everybody sitting at V2 while ignoring the rest while having a hard time at V2...
Like it was already said here 4 people guarding the entrances and would do ok because they were all protected against AP fire and voth spawned randomly.
It was even for a simple for someone with a build were pro's would say what is this TRIBBLE.
I did back then all right. I'm not a pro builder but I can stand my ground.
Season 9 :
When your build sucks like having a normal set like solane Dyson Set without the warp core. you have a fail boat, so spend couple Thousand EC on Mk XII shield, Deflector, Engines, Warp Core, and watched my shields would have -20% on Antiproton weapons, and a Reg and Cap bonus with 5% Bleedthrough and 5% absorption Warp core did put extra juice on the shields. But no matter the cost it just sucks.
So I put on Aegis Set try that one out it failed miserably, Then tried the Borg set it did a lot better but under heavy Anti proton fire I couldn't regenerate quick enough.
Omega and Honor Guard set same issue.
So hopefully I will get the Voth set and try out this one see how that goes. But despite the whole story I have no problems with the Romulan Rep, nor the Borg nor The Undine. So it's just strange that I only have this difficulty with the Voth... Even tested our stuff in a PVP match and it was pretty good. And you have to do elite because normal play does reward far too little and the waiting time is the same as Elite.
Conclusion I think is that Cryptic nerf the voth a little bit because I think no one can handle 20 fighters circling and fire at you plus 3 cruisers attacking you as well...
I mean I love a good fight but not when you don't have a change.
Even scimitar was down and out yesterday in a matter of seconds. He had the luck that a group of swarmers attacked them plus 2 paladins and I saw his shield drop like crazy he used Tactical team but wouldn't matter he was gone in seconds, Tactical team sometimes fail in a fight and won't get the shields like they are.
They are probably small bugs suffering sometimes that stuff like Tactical Team or other stuff just ignores to work...
So I hope they will look at this problem at least look and hopefully fix the two only Voth Missions...
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Lack of coordination when PuG'ing it, and a god-awful reward regardless of team and outcome make StS something to avoid in my opinion.
Yep, the rewards for it is a trip, eh? Bad trip. Down several flights of stairs. Definitely needs a reward pass compared to other sources of Dyson Marks and even Implants.
Comments
stop whining.
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Did you even read his post?
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Yes, did you? If so, maybe you noticed this part:
That's got
written all over it.
The OP should indeed get a better team and/or stop whining.
Because I take my no-heal B'rel into there all the time and do just fine - solo - in Elite.
Reading is OP, plz nerf.
So stop the BS here, and read the thread for once. If I can survive all REP/STF plays and suddenly after season 8 I can't take down a Voth Cruiser on my own we need 3 ships to take it down.
That's weird don't you think because I can easily withstand heavy fire from few drones targeting me but I can't take down a single cruiser.
Now tell me where is the whining ?
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In your post about how you can faceroll anything except this one mission, which seems to be handing you your behind on a platter.
Offcourse we don't fly scimtar like you probely do, but most off the time if you ever played it witch I doubt you know you could do this elite version with the group spreadout acrros the sphire. But because you never played it and just like to BS the thread. I wonder why I even take the time to respond to you.
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
Yeah well play it a lot with the fleet, and we all had the same problem right then and there. So I thought to check with people first before I report it as a buck.
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
It's a little thing called "ego." Well...if it can make you respond to things you insist you know you shouldn't respond to, maybe it's not such a little thing.
In all seriousness here- how many other threads do you see about this? How many other complaints? That alone is usually a fair indication in itself- anything that suddenly changes in a major way tends to fill General Discussion with multiple threads howling about it, while so far the complaints about this particular perceived change seem to be coming from a single source.
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
And two threads compares to page 1 of General Discussion being flooded with them how?
But let me explain...
I'm an average at best player. I'm not a great player - not even a good player. I'm average at best. I was flying a crappy geared boat. +26.2% consoles, 3 of them...a Sci. Basically a toon that's not even geared in the slightest, imho - comparatively speaking to how geared a boat could be. The only change in gearing since since before S9 was the addition of the KCB for the 2pc.
And personally, blowing stuff up and surviving getting blown up in Storming Elite - was no different than before S9. I honestly didn't notice any change. Swarmers schmarmers. Palisades smalisades. Bastions schmastions. Basically just fodder while flying around going wheeee...
So where was the WTF moment?
Watching the others...WTF? How did he pop? How did he pop? How did he pop again? Why aren't they killing anything? Is he even going to shoot at that? How did he pop? What? He popped again?
So there at the end, I'm grabbing two rows of shuttles - when I notice another guy's there. Meh, fine - I'll hit up the other two rows of shuttles. There were two more guys there. Wait? Four of us on shuttles? And they weren't even getting the shuttles... /facepalm. So I head on over to help out the person on the Dreadnought that's dying - knowing that if they're dying like that, there's no way that we'll be able to take it out in time with the amount of time that was wasted already. I just didn't want to be anywhere near the folks failing on shuttles.
Again, let me interrupt here in case that's coming off harsh. I suck. I'm horribad. I'm perhaps average on my best day. Good players could have the flu and still outplay me with one hand.
So yeah, it was definitely a WTF moment...but uh, not quite the moment the OP was having.
People on these forums are constantly complaining about how not enough stuff requires teamwork, but the second it seems actually necessary, they're up in arms about how it's too hard. You can't have it both ways.
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2 per side (each covering 2 points) and one tackling/assisting with Cruisers.
V1 --- V1 --- V2 --- V2
<
> C5 <
>
A3 --- A3 --- A4 --- A4
How has that changed?
It's a team thing from having folks covering an area and everybody working together to do their part...not having all five folks sitting at A3 while ignoring the rest. Perhaps there's somebody that's not quite covering their 2, perhaps they need to be shifted so the C5 can help them out as well as either their V/A neighbor. That's working as a team. It's not having everybody sitting at V2 while ignoring the rest while having a hard time at V2...
Like it was already said here 4 people guarding the entrances and would do ok because they were all protected against AP fire and voth spawned randomly.
It was even for a simple for someone with a build were pro's would say what is this TRIBBLE.
I did back then all right. I'm not a pro builder but I can stand my ground.
Season 9 :
When your build sucks like having a normal set like solane Dyson Set without the warp core. you have a fail boat, so spend couple Thousand EC on Mk XII shield, Deflector, Engines, Warp Core, and watched my shields would have -20% on Antiproton weapons, and a Reg and Cap bonus with 5% Bleedthrough and 5% absorption Warp core did put extra juice on the shields. But no matter the cost it just sucks.
So I put on Aegis Set try that one out it failed miserably, Then tried the Borg set it did a lot better but under heavy Anti proton fire I couldn't regenerate quick enough.
Omega and Honor Guard set same issue.
So hopefully I will get the Voth set and try out this one see how that goes. But despite the whole story I have no problems with the Romulan Rep, nor the Borg nor The Undine. So it's just strange that I only have this difficulty with the Voth... Even tested our stuff in a PVP match and it was pretty good. And you have to do elite because normal play does reward far too little and the waiting time is the same as Elite.
Conclusion I think is that Cryptic nerf the voth a little bit because I think no one can handle 20 fighters circling and fire at you plus 3 cruisers attacking you as well...
I mean I love a good fight but not when you don't have a change.
Even scimitar was down and out yesterday in a matter of seconds. He had the luck that a group of swarmers attacked them plus 2 paladins and I saw his shield drop like crazy he used Tactical team but wouldn't matter he was gone in seconds, Tactical team sometimes fail in a fight and won't get the shields like they are.
They are probably small bugs suffering sometimes that stuff like Tactical Team or other stuff just ignores to work...
So I hope they will look at this problem at least look and hopefully fix the two only Voth Missions...
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
Kar'Fi w/ Joined Trill Sci
Personal Traits: Accurate, Astrophysicist, Conservation of Energy, Elusive, Living Hull, Photonic Capacitor, Techie, Warp Theorist, and Joined Trill (Species)
Space Traits: Advanced Hull Reinforcement, Auxiliary Power Configuration - Defense, Auxiliary Power Configuration - Offense, Precision
Active Traits: Refracting Tetryon Cascade
TS1, FAW1, APO1
TT1, FAW1
EPtA1, EPtS2
PH1, HE1, HE2, TR3
ST1
(5x Pirate)
DOFFs: 3x DCE(EPtX), DLS(ST), GS(TR Aftershock)
Deflector: Solanae Mk XII
Engines: Solanae Mk XII
Core: Solanae Mk XII
Shields: Solanae Mk XII
Weapons
Fore: Gravimetric Photon, Experimental Proton, Protonic Polaron Array Mk XII [Acc]x2, Polaron Array Mk XI [Acc][CrtH]
Aft: Kinetic Cutting Beam, Protonic Polaron Array Mk XII [CrtH]x2, Polaron Array Mk XI [Acc][CrtH]
Consoles
Tac: 3x Polaron Mk XI
Eng: Assimilated, Leech
Sci: Proton Stabilizer, Flow Cap Mk XI, Shield Refrequencer Mk XII [+Flow], Aceton Assimilator
Devices: Subspace Field, Auxiliary Battery, Engine Battery
Hangars: 2x Orion Interceptors
Other: Nimbus Pirate Distress Call
Yep, the rewards for it is a trip, eh? Bad trip. Down several flights of stairs. Definitely needs a reward pass compared to other sources of Dyson Marks and even Implants.