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Dilithium Ore Refining should be removed from the game

tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,802 Arc User
I've been experimenting with Dilithium Ore refining and I'm getting beyond frustrated with it.

I'm not even doing it seriously and the amounts of ore I'm acquiring keeps exceeding my capacity to refine it.

I currently have 36000 unrefined and acquire a minimum of 5000 every day.

And since the unrefined ore is absolutely worthless, it's of no value to me until it can be refined.
In the meantime, I have Reputation Projects and Fleet projects that are needing the Refined Ore.
It will only get worse when the character collecting it gets to T5 Omega, Dyson and 8472 and receive the T5 unrefined ore rewards.

I think it's time for unrefined Dilithium to be removed from the game and we just get given the pure ore instead.

There is no point in logging in once a day just to hit a button that says refine ore, hit cap, wait until tomorrow to refine more.


And the additional refiners barely make a dent in the amount of ore that needs to be processed.

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  • artfulmerkageartfulmerkage Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    You haven't remotely thought this idea through.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I take it you have no clue how economics works.
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  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Dude, you're a lifetime subscriber. You don't even need to press the button, it will do it for you. Just don't touch the button for 25 hours. In fact, don't log in for 25 hours. See what message pops up on your screen when you log in. (Hint: [System]: You refined 8000 dilithium) In fact it's cumulative so you don't even need to log in more than once a week. ([System]: You refined 56,000 dilithium)

    Also what they said. ^

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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Only 36000 unrefined? I have over 1.5M unrefined dilithium.

    Stopped grinding dilithium all together, but usually the doff assignments alone bring in somewhere between 9-11k dilithium each day.

    Anyway, as long as refined dilithium can be converted into Zen (real life money) the refining process will not be removed.
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  • jbmonroejbmonroe Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    That would work as long as your ability to acquire refined dilithium via mining and missions was capped at 8K per 24hr period. Which limit would you rather have? If you require massive acquisition of refined product all at once, why not just buy it with Zen?
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  • revandarklighterrevandarklighter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    You guys seriously need more alts....
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    You guys seriously need more alts....

    I'll stick to my current 3 chars.
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  • decroniadecronia Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I'm going to have to go with the others here. It is capped for a reason and it should stay capped, how much that cap can be increased or how is up for debate.

    With some of the tier 5 rep rewards giving you a hell of a lot of dil I could see the prices on the exchange going up higher than when I started playing. Some people are complaining about it now as it is at 150 or there abouts from 130 or there abouts. Imagine them if the average was 350-400.
  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I'm thinking 'troll' because... what??? this suggestion makes no sense
  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Everything about pwe is that they don't want you to play very long. Just a bit a day.
    Look at neverwinter. That games currency is so complicated it makes the game probably the worst that I have seen.
    Elemental kingdoms? They advertise that game everywhere but they don't want you to play very long if you do choose to play it.
    It use to be that mmo's where being played on average 4 hours a day. But you paid for those game with a sub. People didn't want a to be shackled with a sub so companies came up with the idea: play for free, grind, but not very long.
    You get what you paid for.
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • carl103carl103 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    With some of the tier 5 rep rewards giving you a hell of a lot of dil I could see the prices on the exchange going up higher than when I started playing. Some people are complaining about it now as it is at 150 or there abouts from 130 or there abouts. Imagine them if the average was 350-400.

    Supply and demand, people had literally years and years and years to build up stocks of excess dilithium and there was nothing of value worth buying with it besides zen so the market was dominated by people selling rather than buying dilithium for ages and ages and ages. But of course very few people actually wanted to sell zen so supply and demand kept prices high.

    Then the fleets came in followed by reps. Suddenly all those old timers with stupid amounts of dill started unloading it onto a market that suddenly valued dilithium more than zen. So the market trend reversed with there being little value to buying zen and lots to buying dilithium because for anyone without massive stockpiles it's the only practical way to meet demand.

    Sooner or later the supply is going to run dry and suddenly there will be a ton of people desperate for dilithium but little of it to go around. Prices eventually will rise. It's only taking so long because of how massive some of those stockpiles are.

    I suspect the lack of a dil sink this time around was a deliberate attempt on PWE's part to extend the low dill to zen conversion rates by giving people like the OP more time to rebuild stockpiles.
  • lowy1lowy1 Member Posts: 964 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I wouldn't mind seeing a use for unrefined Dil, but that would be tough without TRIBBLE things up.
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  • hyefatherhyefather Member Posts: 1,286 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Dude, you're a lifetime subscriber. You don't even need to press the button, it will do it for you. Just don't touch the button for 25 hours. In fact, don't log in for 25 hours. See what message pops up on your screen when you log in. (Hint: [System]: You refined 8000 dilithium) In fact it's cumulative so you don't even need to log in more than once a week. ([System]: You refined 56,000 dilithium)

    Also what they said. ^

    I didn't know it did it automatically. Is there anything you have to do in the options to get it to refine 8000 on its own.??
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    carl103 wrote: »
    Supply and demand, people had literally years and years and years to build up stocks of excess dilithium and there was nothing of value worth buying with it besides zen so the market was dominated by people selling rather than buying dilithium for ages and ages and ages. But of course very few people actually wanted to sell zen so supply and demand kept prices high.

    Then the fleets came in followed by reps. Suddenly all those old timers with stupid amounts of dill started unloading it onto a market that suddenly valued dilithium more than zen. So the market trend reversed with there being little value to buying zen and lots to buying dilithium because for anyone without massive stockpiles it's the only practical way to meet demand.

    Sooner or later the supply is going to run dry and suddenly there will be a ton of people desperate for dilithium but little of it to go around. Prices eventually will rise. It's only taking so long because of how massive some of those stockpiles are.

    I suspect the lack of a dil sink this time around was a deliberate attempt on PWE's part to extend the low dill to zen conversion rates by giving people like the OP more time to rebuild stockpiles.
    In all fairness to your post, Dilithium was added to the game when it went FTP in January 2012, and that included the Dilithium Exchange - there was no way to earn Zen/Cryptic Points prior to FTP. The Fleet System was added in July of the same year in Season 6. So we are not exactly talking about a long period of time for "old timers" to save up tons of Dilithium - I was selling it for Zen as quickly as I earned it. :)
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    hyefather wrote: »
    I didn't know it did it automatically. Is there anything you have to do in the options to get it to refine 8000 on its own.??
    No. It refines all by itself after 24 hours if you are a Gold Subscriber.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • divvydavedivvydave Member Posts: 184 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I wouldn't mind seeing a use for unrefined Dil, but that would be tough without TRIBBLE things up.

    I suggested to my fleet about six months ago that if we could use dil ore for fleet projects I would even if there was a 20% (or more) increase in cost for using ore.
    At least it would help smaller fleets with their projects :)
  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    tilarta wrote: »
    I'm not even doing it seriously and the amounts of ore I'm acquiring keeps exceeding my capacity to refine it.

    Then it's working as intended- that's the entire, deliberate point of the refinement cap.
  • carl103carl103 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    In all fairness to your post, Dilithium was added to the game when it went FTP in January 2012, and that included the Dilithium Exchange - there was no way to earn Zen/Cryptic Points prior to FTP. The Fleet System was added in July of the same year in Season 6. So we are not exactly talking about a long period of time for "old timers" to save up tons of Dilithium - I was selling it for Zen as quickly as I earned it.

    I was here for the fleet launch, (i assume you where too ;)), and i remember ooodles of forum people tlaking about having Xhundred-thousand/million dilithium lying around. That said i did start mid way between the relevent seasons so fair enough on when dil came in.

    Either way though there where quite obviously a lot of people with massive amounts of excess dilithium lying about when we finally got something to spend it on.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    carl103 wrote: »
    I was here for the fleet launch, (i assume you where too ;)), and i remember ooodles of forum people tlaking about having Xhundred-thousand/million dilithium lying around. That said i did start mid way between the relevent seasons so fair enough on when dil came in.

    Either way though there where quite obviously a lot of people with massive amounts of excess dilithium lying about when we finally got something to spend it on.
    Many older players, like myself, were given a lump sum Dilithium payment for all their accumulated Marks/Currencies they had earned over the previous two years - and now had no way of using since those Currencies were removed from the game.
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  • ceekayzeroceekayzero Member Posts: 411 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    tilarta wrote: »
    I've been experimenting with Dilithium Ore refining and I'm getting beyond frustrated with it.

    I'm not even doing it seriously and the amounts of ore I'm acquiring keeps exceeding my capacity to refine it.

    I currently have 36000 unrefined and acquire a minimum of 5000 every day.

    And since the unrefined ore is absolutely worthless, it's of no value to me until it can be refined.
    In the meantime, I have Reputation Projects and Fleet projects that are needing the Refined Ore.
    It will only get worse when the character collecting it gets to T5 Omega, Dyson and 8472 and receive the T5 unrefined ore rewards.

    I think it's time for unrefined Dilithium to be removed from the game and we just get given the pure ore instead.

    There is no point in logging in once a day just to hit a button that says refine ore, hit cap, wait until tomorrow to refine more.


    And the additional refiners barely make a dent in the amount of ore that needs to be processed.

    Til, that's basically four days where you don't have to play on that toon because, as one of the other posters said, you can automatically refine the dilithium. You can level up one of your other toons in the BATTLEZONE and get more marks.

    I, personally, like having a stockpile of dilithium. So I would prefer unrefined dil remain in the game. Yeah, it's slow going - but it does encourage you to play alts and to spend more on awesome per-character unlock ships. So like the other posters, I don't see Cryptic getting rid of the dilithium refinement cap. Nor should Cryptic.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Nah... no need to remove the dilithium ore refine limitation.

    Doing so could actually have unforeseen consequences most notably is inflation, but there could also be higher dilithium requirements for projects and other things.

    With a huge supply of dilithium stockpile dumped into the open market and virtually unlimited dilithium that can be earned per day, PWE could remove the exchange rate limitation and let it float around based on the free market. I believe at the moment the exchanged rate cannot drop below 50 dil per Zen and cannot go above 500 dil per Zen. If PWE were smart they would remove the ceiling cap so that who knows, maybe the free market will determine that 1 Zen will be worth 750 dil, or even higher since I am sure there is a massive pile of dilithium ore out there. Between my Fed and KFD toons I have around 650k unrefined dilithium ore.

    Another thing that could happen is PWE will increase the amount of dil you need to projects and items. Imagine if the dilithium crystals required for fleet projects and to purchase items increased 10 times... or perhaps 25 times? So if a Fleet project previously only required 1 million refined dilithium that could possibly change to 10 million or 25 million dilithium ore.

    Sounds awesome right?
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    questerius wrote: »
    Only 36000 unrefined? I have over 1.5M unrefined dilithium.

    Stopped grinding dilithium all together, but usually the doff assignments alone bring in somewhere between 9-11k dilithium each day.

    Anyway, as long as refined dilithium can be converted into Zen (real life money) the refining process will not be removed.

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  • eisenshorneisenshorn Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    When refining ore to dilithium has a 1/1 ratio, it becomes pointless I agree. All refining represents at the moment is having to click one extra button when we could just as easily be paid in dilithium directly.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    eisenshorn wrote: »
    When refining ore to dilithium has a 1/1 ratio, it becomes pointless I agree. All refining represents at the moment is having to click one extra button when we could just as easily be paid in dilithium directly.
    The refining puts a daily cap on the amount of Dilithium you can utilize. Since you can earn your 8k limit in 30 minutes some people easily earn 20k+ per day. The 8k limit means on subsequent playing days they can spend their time doing something other then earning Dilithium without needing to worry about falling behind.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,573 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    My suggestion would be to allow Unrefined ore be usable for Fleet projects after the Fleet Mine reaches Tier 1. Put all those Remans to work.
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  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    ltminns wrote: »
    My suggestion would be to allow Unrefined ore be usable for Fleet projects after the Fleet Mine reaches Tier 1. Put all those Remans to work.

    That makes too much sense. Sorry.
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    This is how Cryptic monetizes the game. It's like Bitcoin.
  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    then watch the dil market skyrocket to 500 dil per zen.... or it will plummet to 25 dil per zen.... hard to tell
  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    hyefather wrote: »
    I didn't know it did it automatically. Is there anything you have to do in the options to get it to refine 8000 on its own.??

    Yes, you don't touch the refine button, like I said. Every time you manually refine it resets the "oh I'm gonna auto-refine for you today" timer and you end up never auto-refining at all.

    There's a catch though, you'll always have an active refine button, even after it refines 8k for the day. Auto-refine seems to lag behind manual refine by 1 day so really it auto-refines "yesterday's" cap instead of "today's" which leaves a potential additional 8k that you could refine manually for "today", but then you reset the auto-refine if you do, which takes another day or two to kick in again.

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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I have 9 pvp/pve ready level 50s, makes refining dil much easier, you have to grind more characters out if you want more dil.
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