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D'kora Update Request

gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
I love the D'kora design and would love to see this ship updated. It just doesn't feel up to par of the other newer lockbox ships. It also doesn't feel like a real battlecuiser....

ITS ALSO THE ONLY LOCKBOX SHIP WITHOUT ANY UNIVERSAL BRIDGE SEATS
(^capitalized to bring attention, not screaming ;) )

I purpose these changes to the bridge seating

LtC Tactical
Cmdr Engineer
Ensign Science
Lt Universal
Lt Universal

or

LtC Tactical
Cmdr Engineer
Lt Engineer
Lt Universal
Ensign Universal

I'd also like to see a change to the console setup

4 Engineering
2 Science
4 Tactical

Possibly a buff to turnrate, however the Battlemode console helps a lot with this.

I feel these changes would make it a real Battlecruiser (not asking for stat changes HP/Shield as that is balanced already)
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  • empireofsteveempireofsteve Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    This ship with it's toys is already more than good enough for any fight.
    NERF CANNONS - THEY NEED A 50% NERF
    CRUISERS NEED A 206% HULL BUFF
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    This ship with it's toys is already more than good enough for any fight.

    What toys are you referring to?

    The 3 minute missile launcher that has zero effect on anything with shields. It also doesn't do very much hull damage.

    Or the EMP pulse that is practically useless for both PVE and PvP?

    Both of which cannot be used at the same time unless you switch modes.
  • lebtronlebtron Member Posts: 296 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    The marauder is a good ship. But it should have a feature just like orion slavers to steal commodities:D

    And playing the new undine stf, I wished my d'kroa would have a LtC. science ability too. AI is cheating as always^^
  • galanis2814galanis2814 Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I think they should do it, on the condition that the D'kora refit costs you 1 million GPL.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,891 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    They already sold the D'Kora, I doubt they're gonna update it because it just wouldn't be profitable.
    Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    lebtron wrote: »
    The marauder is a good ship. But it should have a feature just like orion slavers to steal commodities:D

    And playing the new undine stf, I wished my d'kroa would have a LtC. science ability too. AI is cheating as always^^

    lol Being able to steal would be cool, but to have it work like the slavers. It would need an hangar bay added to the ship. I'm not against one being added, as we already have a Ferengi shuttle in the game.
    I think they should do it, on the condition that the D'kora refit costs you 1 million GPL.

    I'd pay it lol
    lianthelia wrote: »
    They already sold the D'Kora, I doubt they're gonna update it because it just wouldn't be profitable.

    They're updating the Vesta, as that was already sold, this argument is invalid.
  • pweistheworstpweistheworst Member Posts: 986 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I think they should do it, on the condition that the D'kora refit costs you 1 million GPL.

    Man ... if there was an updated D'kora refit ship available in this game for 1 million GPL then I would litterally spend every waking hour over the next month parked in front of a dabo table.
    In the immortal words of Captain Sisko: "It may not be what you believe, but that doesn't make it wrong."

    Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
  • empireofsteveempireofsteve Member Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Let me ask this. Why does the DKora need an update?
    NERF CANNONS - THEY NEED A 50% NERF
    CRUISERS NEED A 206% HULL BUFF
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,489 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Doesn't the D'kora give access to specific doff missions?

    Beside that, it is still one of the more potent cruisers.

    Dual Cannons, LtCmdr Tac, Battle module, on board bank/ dabo / exchange.

    Let's be honest, the D'kora doesn't need an upgrade.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Let me ask this. Why does the DKora need an update?
    questerius wrote: »
    Doesn't the D'kora give access to specific doff missions?

    Beside that, it is still one of the more potent cruisers.

    Dual Cannons, LtCmdr Tac, Battle module, on board bank/ dabo / exchange.

    Let's be honest, the D'kora doesn't need an upgrade.

    Being the only lockbox ships w/o any universal seats is pretty silly, its not really an upgrade. Just bringing it to match what already exist in the game.

    The bank/dabo/exchange/mail/doff mission doesn't help in combat and with queuing system is rather useless. As most people just camp ESD or First City while running missions.

    I own all the lockbox cruisers, it seriously feels underwhelming to say the Monbosh. Which has a better turnrate, BOFF seating, and a better toy.
  • aloishammeraloishammer Member Posts: 3,294 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    gypsyblade wrote: »
    Being the only lockbox ships w/o any universal seats is pretty silly, its not really an upgrade. Just bringing it to match what already exist in the game.

    By that logic, every lockbox ship that came after the D'kora should have theirs removed- y'know, to match what already existed in the game when they were released. :P
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,489 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    But that doesn't change the fact that the D'kora does not need, nor does it even benefit from universal boff slots.

    Given just how many extra's the D'kora has i am surprised it only goes for a mere 240M at the exchange.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    By that logic, every lockbox ship that came after the D'kora should have theirs removed- y'know, to match what already existed in the game when they were released. :P

    lol true, but, imagine the rage off that being done
    questerius wrote: »
    But that doesn't change the fact that the D'kora does not need, nor does it even benefit from universal boff slots.

    Given just how many extra's the D'kora has i am surprised it only goes for a mere 240M at the exchange.

    Actually it would benefit greatly from some universal bridge seats, it would allow the ship to be diverse. Just like the Recluse with its Cmdr Universal, I've seen engineer, tact, and science versions flying around. Personally on mine I run a Cmdr Tact, for FAW3 and Mine Dispersal Patterns. I'm not sure how any ship wouldn't benefit from a universal seating.

    It's extras are not a selling point, nothing a transwarp > ESD/Qo'nos doesn't already provide. It would be more of a boon if we didn't have transwarp. And provides zero assistance in combat which is what really matters. The ship used to sell for a lot less, but supply/demand.... supply is the only thing that changed its value on the exchange.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    They won't be updating lockbox ships. They're rewards and work fine as released. If you want a newer lockbox ship, you have to try your luck with newer lockboxes.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    They won't be updating lockbox ships. They're rewards and work fine as released. If you want a newer lockbox ship, you have to try your luck with newer lockboxes.

    Already own a majority of the lockbox ships, Galor, Both Elachi ships, both Tal shiar ships, all 3 Jem'Hadar ships, etc.

    I'm not asking for an update because I don't own any ships and just want the one I have to be updated. I'm asking based of off experience in flying all the lockbox cruisers in the game. In flight its underpar when compared to all the newer cruisers. Fluff such as exchange/mail/bank doesn't mean a thing in combat.
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,328 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    If the D'kora gets updated then my wells needs to be updated to for some similar reasons.
    Men are not punished for their sins, but by them.
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    westx211 wrote: »
    If the D'kora gets updated then my wells needs to be updated to for some similar reasons.

    Where would it need updates? It's science heavy with a LtC and Lt Universal.

    I'm asking for Universal seating to be added and a slight change in consoles to make it feel like a Battlecruiser.

    The changes I'm asking for already exist on the Temporal Science ship. :cool:
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,328 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    gypsyblade wrote: »
    Where would it need updates? It's science heavy with a LtC and Lt Universal.

    I'm asking for Universal seating to be added and a slight change in consoles to make it feel like a Battlecruiser.

    The changes I'm asking for already exist on the Temporal Science ship. :cool:

    The wells needs an update as although it has universal seating it has lagged behind in the stat department. The Dyson ships while typically cheaper have just as good if not better stats than the weeks and the wells is supposed to be superior.
    Men are not punished for their sins, but by them.
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    westx211 wrote: »
    The wells needs an update as although it has universal seating it has lagged behind in the stat department. The Dyson ships while typically cheaper have just as good if not better stats than the weeks and the wells is supposed to be superior.

    The Dyson ships are Science Destroyers, the Wells is just a Science ship. I was comparing Battlecruiser (D'kora) to Battlecruiser (Monbosh).

    The Wells HP/Shields is also higher than the Dyson Science Destroyer.

    Dyson Science Destroyer

    Wells Science Vessel

    Compare them yourself.

    *Edit: I see that you're comparing it to the bundle now, I see your argument now.
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,328 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    gypsyblade wrote: »
    The Dyson ships are Science Destroyers, the Wells is a pure science ship.

    The Wells HP/Shields is also higher than the Dyson Science Destroyer.

    Dyson Science Destroyer

    Wells Science Vessel

    Compare them yourself.

    I'm talking about the c store Dyson ships.
    Men are not punished for their sins, but by them.
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    westx211 wrote: »
    I'm talking about the c store Dyson ships.

    Yea, I noticed that afterwards and edited my reply.

    I do see your argument now.

    To be fair tho, I believe all the bundle ships are superior to lockbox ships in a way. Look at the Vesta vs other science ships, and that's getting an update soon.

    I digress tho, lockbox vs bundle ships is another argument all together.

    For the sake of keeping my topic on topic, I compared the Monbosh to the D'kora. As they're both lockbox Battlecruisers.
  • rakija879rakija879 Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Dkora is a old ship and old ships are meant to go for the space junkyard :D
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    rakija879 wrote: »
    Dkora is a old ship and old ships are meant to go for the space junkyard :D

    About as old as the Sovereign :P
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,891 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    gypsyblade wrote: »
    lol Being able to steal would be cool, but to have it work like the slavers. It would need an hangar bay added to the ship. I'm not against one being added, as we already have a Ferengi shuttle in the game.



    I'd pay it lol



    They're updating the Vesta, as that was already sold, this argument is invalid.

    The Ferengi lock box has come and gone...I don't see many people interested in it and I don't see it pop up often at all on the system message...I see more Galor's than D'Koras.

    Where as any Fed can buy one or the entire Vesta 3 pack any time they want with no muss and no fuss...which is more profitable?!?
    Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
  • locutusofcactuslocutusofcactus Member Posts: 651 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    They won't be updating lockbox ships. They're rewards and work fine as released...

    They have actually not only updated* but have also upgraded D'kora's in the past. Back in the day when fleet ships came out with ten console slots, I logged on to my account and low and behold, an additional (tenth) console slot was added to my D'kora. I think they would upgrade lockbox ships again if they added another ship tier. But I'm kind of splitting hairs and would agree that they will not be updating/upgrading lock box ships unless there is a big change like the aforementioned ship tier increase.

    *cruiser commands is what comes to mind
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    lianthelia wrote: »
    The Ferengi lock box has come and gone...I don't see many people interested in it and I don't see it pop up often at all on the system message...I see more Galor's than D'Koras.

    Where as any Fed can buy one or the entire Vesta 3 pack any time they want with no muss and no fuss...which is more profitable?!?

    The Galors are mainly wanted for the Spiral Waves, not the ship itself. It's best beams in the game IMO. I doubt we'd see any Cardie boxes opened if the Galor didn't have those beams. My request has nothing to do with the lockbox, they do lockbox replays all the time.

    The newer boxes also offer a lot more things other than ships, for example traits. The only thing going for the Ferengi box is the ship itself. Not very desirable when the ship itself is outclassed by the newer Battleships.
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    They have actually not only updated* but have also upgraded D'kora's in the past. Back in the day when fleet ships came out with ten console slots, I logged on to my account and low and behold, an additional (tenth) console slot was added to my D'kora. I think they would upgrade lockbox ships again if they added another ship tier. But I'm kind of splitting hairs and would agree that they will not be updating/upgrading lock box ships unless there is a big change like the aforementioned ship tier increase.

    *cruiser commands is what comes to mind

    I mentioned the Fleet upgrade... in which all existing lockbox ships were upgraded. The upgrade I'm asking for is to bring the D'kora up to par with the other existing lockbox ships. It's still the only lockbox ship w/o Universal bridge seats for example.
  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Why don't we just give every ship 16 Turn, Battle Cloak, Singularity Powers, Cruiser Command, 2 Hangar Bays, 125 Aux, built-in Plasmonic Leech, Secondary Deflectors, 5 Universal Boff Stations and then call it a day.
  • gypsybladegypsyblade Member Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    Why don't we just give every ship 16 Turn, Battle Cloak, Singularity Powers, Cruiser Command, 2 Hangar Bays, 125 Aux, built-in Plasmonic Leech, Secondary Deflectors, 5 Universal Boff Stations and then call it a day.

    No, but thank you for your attempt at derailing my post.
  • captainkenny1captainkenny1 Member Posts: 326 Arc User
    edited May 2014
    I am all for an upgrade for the d'kora.
    More so, I would ask for a pet like the Aquarius for the oddey, remember there is still a ferengi ship hidden underneath the d'kora, a fighter of some sort,not a shuttle.
    Maybe use the universal station on the fighter?
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