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Need/Greed, am I being a mug for clicking Greed?
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On the Need or Greed options, am I being a mug for clicking Greed?
In some games, folks who click Need all the time get shouted at and called a loot ninja, but there doesn't seem to be any stigma attached to it here in STO. In fact, clicking Need on everything seems to be the norm.
I've been mostly clicking Greed, only going Need on items that seem a useful upgrade for me.
Should I always choose Need to get a fair share at the loot?
I'm just a fairly new player and I'd just like to know what are the social norms in STO group play.
In some games, folks who click Need all the time get shouted at and called a loot ninja, but there doesn't seem to be any stigma attached to it here in STO. In fact, clicking Need on everything seems to be the norm.
I've been mostly clicking Greed, only going Need on items that seem a useful upgrade for me.
Should I always choose Need to get a fair share at the loot?
I'm just a fairly new player and I'd just like to know what are the social norms in STO group play.
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Depends on the group you're in. I've had group that used Greed for the small/green stuff and Need for blues and above. I've had groups that did Need constantly.
Personally, I'm like you: I Greed for things that I don't need/can't immediately use and only use Need for things that are directly relavent to me.
That, to my mind, is the more responsible way to go but you always run into folks who always go Need and don't see why anyone would ever go with Greed in the first place.
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Do what you want really, I am not going to fault you for it.
I get what loot I get, and that is all I ever expect.
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Maybe one day Cryptic will update the loot system. Until then, need away. :P
I want to focus on healing and shooting things and looking at the loot window and pondering whether or not I really need something distracts me from my situational awareness.
And since I don't feel like looking to see if anyone else has clicked Need, I similarly just hit Need without thinking about it.
In short, nobody really needs drops. It's vendor trash. There's better equipment from the rep system and fleet stores as it is.
So if nobody needs drops, just click need since you deserve vendor trash just as much as everybody else in your team does -- there's no point in clicking greed and being 'nice' since you're just depriving yourself of a little bit of pocket change that would have just went to someone else.
Don't kid yourself into thinking they actually need it, it's vendor trash to them. So why do they deserve vendor trash more than you?
Need all the things.
However, in some groups (I know Reddit has a rule like this for STFs), it's considered polite to roll Greed on everything unless you genuinely need it.
So, YMMV.
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Drops can be useful to low level players, in those cases I click pass on everything and let them get it. When I level toons I pretty much survive on drops and mission rewards alone till I'm at 50, and then buy the cool stuff from fleets and rep. Waste of resources otherwise.
Before the Queue system, there was a stigma for those who clicked on NEED on everything. Nowdays nobody cares, unless it's in a premade group of friends and fleetmates where you do NEED on things you actually do NEED.
No stigma. Need is the norm, unlike other MMOs you may have played. I wouldn't stress it. Most of the best loot comes from stuff that isn't rolled on, so it's just not a big deal in this game.
Do what you want. But stay chill about it.
Besides, none of the loot is bind on pickup anyway so if somebody truly did feel that they needed an item, you could always just give it to them if you're the one that won the need roll.
My fleet used to go by the Greed roll, but we were in enough situations where we didn't have a full team of 5 that we decided 'TRIBBLE it, Need when PUGging' but then it became confusing when to Greed and when to Need so we just threw that out the window and Need at all times. Like I said, the vast majority of loot isn't even worth devoting a second of mental energy to.
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I'm right there with ya man. Came from wo.w and was shocked that rolling need all the time was socially acceptable.
My best guess is that gear is so easy to come by and that everyone needs ec. They just roll need because drops=ec.
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It didn't take me long once I saw the rolls in the chat window (I was new so I hadn't bothered disabling them yet) to realise that was the norm in this game. For the most part everyone hits "need" and the roll dictates from there.
The exception I have for the rule is if I'm running with fleetmates or friends as part of a team if I know one of them needs something specific that drops.
Even when we drop nice things in pugs its standard practice in our fleets to offer nice loot before putting on the exchange or just vendoring if we don't personally need it. In allot of cases nice drops go to the fleetbank and are quickly snapped up lol!
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For everything else like pugs, just need on all of it. You don't owe complete strangers anything.
Fixed that for you.
Not only does it reduce the stupid fighting about who gets what loot - it lets people actually focus on doing the content rather than having to click a button every time something drops.
I would go so far as to remove loot drops entirely from missions and give the loot at the end in a lump sum.
The vast majority of the best equipment comes through stores so anything that drops is vendor trash. Would be so much simpler if the loot system was streamlined away from random floaty drops in space.
However, expecting Cryptic to actually improve the mechanics of the game is as likely as pigs flying. They would rather sell lockboxes and broken gimmicks.
Quite. It seems silly to have content that demands teamwork on the one hand, then on the other have a reward structure which fosters competition and drama. On this note, why the gamewide broadcasts about 'so-and-so has received such-and-such ship'?
The same reason casinos have big flashing lights and sirens whenever someone hits the jackpot on a slot machine. It isn't to celebrate the person's good fortune, it's to intice others to gamble too. The mentality of, "Oh hey, these announcements are so common -- it can happen to me too!"
Even though this is the reality of the lockboxes to lockbox announcements in-game.
I don't even click drops unless they are at least blue. The is just no point. But there seem to a lot of people on this game who click stuff as soon as it drops. Why? I don't even look at the items and just click need to get rid of the 10 pop ups. There is like one borg STF where I will get loot lag because someone has to click every freaking glowy and seems like every other borg drops something.
who in this game is fighting or arguing over loot. no one cares. The really good loot is the rewards you get at the end of STFs or other missions where you are rewarded for being one of the top people. Nothing worth anything "drops".
your rules are stupid. it doesn't matter if everyone rolls need or all greed. its the exact same thing.
Our policy is simpler: Kill first, check out if we got anything shiny after and see if anyone wants it before we vendor it. Since 99.9% of it is vendortrash, and anything valuable is too valuable to do anything as foolish as defacing it by USING it, loot is rarely, if ever, mentioned.
On that note, why do none of the other loot policies in groups even work? We tried to set the Round Robin system so it would, theoretically, just dispense the loot without comment, but this had no useful effect at all.
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for the most part while swtor chat is usually childish, there is a common unwritten rule of respect to each player, needing on objects outside your class just for your comp for example is a big no-no, can even lead to a vote kick by the other team members if they feel its inappropriate. it depends what the loot is for example, typical blue or green gear i dont think it matters because it will be sold to a med droid nearby a stims vendor. but stuff like orange gear...
i never choose greed outside my own class, i completely pass on it that is if others roll greed then i do the same if its for a comp, but occasionally. outside this i always need on items that works for my class and spec. sto is not much different in that regard, a piece of purple gear loot that works best for a sci player and im in my tac/eng cruiser wont help me, i either roll greed or pass. but typical green and blue stuff i either pass of need on, mostly to get some energy credits quickly as i usually use up the EC pretty quickly, nor do i ever have enough.
so it depends on your career, spec and if it helps you completely, need on it, otherwise leave it alone and either roll greed or pass. with everything else, thats an open goal post.
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