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killdozer9211
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I really like the detail put into this ship model. The shuttle bays look amazing, the phaser cannons that look like the phaser cannon icon art are an awesome touch, there's distinct, recognizable phaser strips and turret points, and no stock windows are facing bulkheads or nacelles.
That's some good design work right there, I don't think there are any other ships in the fleet that meet all those criteria in one package.
That's some good design work right there, I don't think there are any other ships in the fleet that meet all those criteria in one package.
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I watched a video of the Tempest made by a fellow player - I loved the way this ship's DBB fire, the gap between the 2 phaser beams is wider and looks really cool.
And we get a massively powerful ship that's faction appropriate and looks perfectly Starfleet, which is a welcome change from the power creep going towards the new lockbox hotness!
Though my agreement doesn't come without caveats.
The pylons and nacelles, to me, feel like they were either rushjobs (meaning quality was sacrificed for completion on schedule), or made by someone new to the ship artists whom wasn't as familiar to 2409 refit aesthetics as Jamjamz may have been.
The Pylons and Nacelles have a near playdoh organic quality to them that strikes me as out-of-place because EVERY designs churned out since CapnLogan left hit a high standard for them. The Regent-class and Avenger-class, for instance, show how the pylons have some structure, even if its very streamlined. The Tempest's nacelles is mostly a elongated rounded 'blob' with a few extrusion groves (grids) and bumps (buzzard collectors) cut into it and that's it.
It's... uncharacteristic. The refit nacelle design I like the least - the Armitage's - even it had better detailing than that. That's what gives me a "whoa, what went wrong there?"
I can live with it. I do very much like the ship, and it indeed packs nearly as much detailing as the Avenger did in it. It's definitely a good direction to go in. But something went wrong with the pylon/nacelle's modeling.
Yeah, the nacelles do seem strangely crude compared to the rest of the ship. Still a pretty ship though.
Can you guys explain on this and what you mean by 'organic'?
Serious question, cause I may be blind but I just don't see it. Is it the way the bussards incorporated in the nacelle? Cause I kinda' like how they look, but not sure if we're talking about the same thing.
1) The ventral side of the boat looks...bare, empty, blank. I don't know if that could be remedied in the tailor by selecting the right combo of paint styles and colours though as I haven't actually gone and bought it. A few little greebles down there would be great for breaking up that big space. Or perhaps some different colours in that region to give it some more depth?
2) This one applies to all of the patrol escorts and has been the case from day 1.
The nacelle pylons look a bit frail to be holding the nacelles on their own, but from many angles the pod on top looks as if it is connected to the nacelles, acting sort of as a second pylon which would fit really nicely into the whole "beefier than usual escort" vibe. Unfortunately, they don't actually connect. There's this diddy little gap between the bottom of the pod and the nacelles
Would it be possible to get rid of this gap and make it seem like the pod doubles as a second pylon for the nacelles?
Kudos to the artist who came up with this boat. It is a vast improvement from previous aesthetic form with things like the regent and the armitage!
I think it's the back end of them where the glowy bit extends around the back of the nacelle and then suddenly stops. It's something that's been done with numerous old STO boats and doesn't look very good imo. Otherwise, the nacelles do look nice.
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It's a little hard to put into words...
It has something to do with how the nacelle itself is just a single solid shape; which just has some slots cut into it to let the glowies out. There aren't any distinct parts. It's like they took a typical nacelle, then completely enclosed it in this thick moulded shell; and then took a few slices out of it to let what's underneath show through.
They look less built, and more... sculpted.
Look at the video that hrci2907 posted in 'General Discussion'. Notice how the dual beam banks on the Tempest have a wider gap between the 2 phaser beams and how cool that looks.
Also, needles to say again - I'm a big fan of the round saucer section. Very Starfleet and classic Trek looking.
33.33% of the STO Ship Art team.
100% of the new guys on the STO Ship Art team.
But I bet all you other ship guys had also some creative input
That beeing said, let's talk about New Orleans, Springfield and an Oberth Refit..
Then all my compliments go to JamJamz for his work on the Tempest.
It very rarley happens to me to just see a ship at first glance and immediately know that I want and have to have it. It's a design that touched me instantly with that special vibe. I didn't care about the stats. lol
Purchased it just now, looks really snazzy.
Oh behave! Regent, Belleraphon,..
Both of those are ugly as sin, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Though you'd need to be James May to think those two are pretty :P
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I'm with you on the Wolf 359 boats though. I'd love to see a Nawlins in game!
Great work, JamJamz, it looks fantastic! You and the team keep it up! Really looking forward to when I can get my hands on it.
Still hoping that torpedo with the second chance to hit on miss that I suggested for it still makes it into the game in some form at some point, though. Perhaps via reputation?
I mean, yes, I have critiques about it. Thing is, though, that I didn't want to rain on Jamjamz parade so much as give pointers on what I liked less from it. That way, there's some indication of what worked and what didn't... and maybe there's a chance that "what didn't" won't make its way to the next refit design.
The vibe I get from the Tempest, flying it around, is very similar to the NX class Enterprise. I mean, sure, structurally it's still quite different, but the design language has a fore deflector array, a very proemminent rounded saucer, and the large nacelles. It also invokes this feeling of 'improbably fragile' which first came with the TOS Constitution-class - the point was making the ship feel more futuristic; here, I feel the intended level of implied sophistication is working... with a bit of how the ship comes together (nacelle brought closer to the saucer) as saying: "Nope, not that fragile."
This doesnt dispel my 'attention-to-detail' quibble about the pylons (compare with Regent/Avenger pylons) and nacelles (compare to Thunderchild/Armitage/Regent nacelles); how I kind of wish the deflector could've been an inset showing something more like the Sao Paulo than the Excelsior; and how I'd like to see more attention given to the way bridges look (Odyssey/Thunderchild/Armitage having good bridges with semi-consitent look VS. Venture/Regent) - the bridge as-is is at least consistent with the Origin bridge (dome on top, viewport on front) but I still kind of wish the polygon budget for it could've been higher.
But as far as silhouette language goes, I really like the Tempest. If the Tempest's genesis for being as being a +1 Dervish... it succeeds with flying colors.
The cannons look AWESOME. I can see similarities to the "cannon tube" style of the previous designs (which is what's used for the single, outer cannons), but have a section in-between them on the dual cannons which I like. I mean, I really, really like how it looks. Please do this on more ships! PLEASE!
The phaser strips look great. They actually have that kind of look like in the shows and movies, which was first implemented when the Ambassador was made for the game. They even have these neat little things along the inward edges of the strips. I like that, although I'd like to know what their purpose is.
The ship even has honest-to-goodness shuttlebays! The show-like kind with the landing area markings and everything! TWO of them! THIS is how you design a shuttlebay, folks!
I can see that the ship also has a new, thinner style of RCS thruster, which I like. Neat touch.
The torpedo launchers even have a red glow! I haven't seen that since the TOS movies! Another nice touch!
The new turret hardpoints look great, too. They don't look like pimples any more, they actually look like turrets! Please use these in the future, and retrofit them onto other ships if you can! Same thing with the phaser strips, cannons and shuttlebay designs! (I love the Bellerophon, but it could really use an alternate shuttlebay design with a "landing strip", IMO.)
I have to admit, the nacelles have a REALLY neat design. The twin L-shaped bussard collectors layered above each other look really neat, and the three blue glow windows that wrap around to the back of the nacelles look great as well. I like how they wrap around to the back like that, plus there being three of them on each nacelle is an unusual, but very fitting touch. It really works for this design.
I can also see that the ship has a Regent-style section on the underside of the back hull, complete with Defiant-style auxiliary deflector arrays. I like that. Seems very practical and well-planned to have that backup in place.
The bridge also has a nice design. I can see what umaeko is talking about with the design reference to the Origin bridge. I like that. However I also see the uniqueness in the design of the ship's bridge, which has its own unique two-level profile to it, similar to yet different from the Odyssey.
Looking closely at the ship, there's a PHENOMENAL level of detail in there. Unprecedented, even. For example, the outer cannons even have little, almost "fluting" indents in the forward nozzle. That's something that you might not normally be able to see due to the limit on how closely you can zoom the camera in, but REALLY adds to the aesthetics of the ship's design.
Pretty-much my only issue with the design of this ship right now are the pylons. They're WAY too thin. They don't need to be beefy, just so long as they don't look like a tactical vulnerability in being so wafer-thin. Perhaps a variant design, like with the Regent and Armitage?
Oh. OH! Also, nearly forgot. This ship doesn't have ANY obstructed escape pods! AT ALL! @#$% YES!
TL-DR: This design is effing amazing! Please use the designs of the main deflector, cannons, phasers, turrets, torpedo tubes, and shuttlebays elsewhere! Retrofit them onto other ship designs wherever you can, please! PLEASE! They're awesome!
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Also find I like the design of the "observation bay" at the back of the hull, similar to what was put on the Gladius and especially the Chimera.
You guys really outdid yourselves with this design, and not just JamJamz, who did some AMAZING design work!
I really like the special gear it comes with, as well as the bridge officer seating. I mean, it has a Universal Lieutenant Commander Station, while still having a Lieutenant Commander Engineering. A Lieutenant. Commander. UNIVERSAL. And that's not even on the fleet version!
I agree with everything you said in your post.
I know I might be getting boring here, but I can't compliment enough on this design. I really see it as a refreshment. I've often criticized Cryptic on their Starfleet designs, but with this one they've hit the nail on the head finally. I hope this is the start of a new trend where Cryptic has really mastered what a Starfleet design should look and feel like. The Tempest does that and then some.
I love how the deflector looks, it's form and positioning is perfect. The saucer section really looks like a Starfleet saucer and given all the chevron shaped ships lately I didn't believe I'd be able to fly a genuine 2410 era ship with a round saucer. And I really prefer the classic round saucer, so this is a hit for me. The general shape is very fluid, the centar pylon finally looks like it's complementing the design and not just installed there for nothing and I'm a big fan of the nacelles.
One thing that I also must compliment on are the weapons hard points. Not only their look, that is amazing, from the good looking phaser strips to the actual turrets that other mentioned, but more about their location. This is by far the ship that looks best when firing DBBs and DHCs. The positioning on the weapon hardpoints and the gap between the beams and cannon salvos just looks perfect and very apropriate.
So once again, thank you for this awesome design JamJamz. You can feel proud of it. You finally managed to create my Starfleet ship, as in something distinctive for the 25-th century era that my character would actually enjoy flying. Picard had the Galaxy, Janeway had the Intrepid, Sisko the Defiant and I have the Tempest now.
I hope your Tempest serves you well and makes all the baddies explode properly!
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Hell yeah I love this ship, and it looks good.
not that I and the rest of the gang here are interested in it, but what are your plans so in the next.. let's say 2 years?
You really don't need to spoil anything. Just use the first and last letter and especially the term "class".
For example: I can't spoil it right now, but I am currently working on the N.w O.....s class, S.........d class, T5 M.....a class, some K.F ships, and so on
Thanks
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You should be proud... you got my Tac captain out of his Cruisers and into an escort... Also, made me change my Sig...
Nice work!
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
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You betcha'!
You just made a primary KDF player play his Fed. a lot more, I just feel the urge to go to my Tempest and play around with it when I log-in.
Great work, JamJamz.
That's the awesome looking DBB fire I was talking about!